Haven’t China also claimed a lot of impossible tasks like Cold Fusion, cure for cancer, and breaking most modern encryptions?
Might want to remain skeptical for now.
China Has Reportedly Built Its First EUV Machine Prototype, Marking a Semiconductor Breakthrough the U.S. Has Feared All Along
Submitted 20 hours ago by just_another_person@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://wccftech.com/china-has-reportedly-built-the-first-euv-machine-prototype/
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finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Cut off a nation as big and determined as China and they will just become more self sufficient.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 hour ago
Nations can’t be determined.
Anyway. Yes, but there’s nuance, China is not heaven on earth.
trolololol@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
when discussing when China could catch up to the US in the semiconductor race.
BS. Untied states are not competitive at all for a long time. They should say China is catching up with Taiwan.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 8 hours ago
That’s just the imperialists telling on themselves. They don’t consider what is Taiwan’s as Taiwan’s, but as being made exclusively for the US’ benefit.
snoons@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
If you were wondering what the hell EUV (Extreme Ultra-Violet) stood for:
waferscope.com/duv-vs-euv-whats-the-real-differen…
This table from the link sums it up pretty well:
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Using shorter and shorter wavelengths of light to etch chips with a higher density of transistors.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
I wonder what the next generation will be called…EUV2TM perhaps?
Kirp123@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I assume they will move from UV to X-rays.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Okay but Japan had a major breakthrough the other day that made this technique obsolete for the majority of components.
I mean if every headline about massive breakthroughs was the full truth all our appliances would be powered by tiny nuclear power plants and we would fly around with our jetpack. Cancer would be but a distant memory and world hunger a non issue because vertical farms would be literally in every home.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Average East-Asian news cycle:
China: “We are preventing the export of rare earth minerals to strengthen our country.”
US: “We are imposing tariffs to strengthen our economy.”
Japan: “22-year-old undergraduate turns a leaf into a battery.”
little_tuptup@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
so, no jetpacks?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
What happens to Taiwan when China is competitive on chips?
I could see them deciding to invade, Taiwan destroys their fabs, and then China gets a monopoly but also sanctions.
The west ultimately ends up unable to build chips and China has a global monopoly.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
China’s not going to invade anything, popular support for peaceful reunification is higher than ever and the US is giving Taiwan and the rest of the world new reasons to distance themselves from us all the time. All China has to do is sit back and watch as we voluntarily shit the bed, they’ll get Taiwan and probably more with no sanctions or bloodshed.
jumjummy@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
What are you talking about?
checks instance name
Yeah that tracks. No, support for Taiwanese unification with China is not gaining support. Look at the posturing China is doing with its military. Look at the steps Japan is starting to take to prepare for this possibility.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
If China invades Taiwan then that’s WW3
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Why? Trump won’t do anything. What other countries have protection treaties?
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 10 hours ago
Have Intel and Samsung stopped making chips recently?
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Taiwan being invaded would make the current component shortages look like nothing in comparison. TSMC fabricates the vast majority of high-end chips used by nearly every computer and smartphone. They have nearly a two-thirds market share while the next biggest player (Samsung) has around 10%, and Intel barely registers. If you want high-yield nanometer-scale precision, TSMC is practically your only real choice.
7isanoddnumber@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
“China has reportedly built” Ok I’m gonna stop you right there. China reports it’s built a lot of stuff. It almost never actually builds anything.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
Delusional, pure cope
themurphy@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Long time ago that was true.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
China has made massive breakthroughs. In chips, SMIC/Huawei are advancing impressively in terms of products, but it is unclear how good yields/costs are, even if they are shipping commercial products.
Still, this PR does give hints that this is Garage hacked EUV with cannibalized parts they cannot make yet, and 4 year time scale is far out enough. There was PR of EUV breakthrough this spring too, and don’t recall if this claim is additional advancement over that.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
This seems about right. Progress was originally supposed to be 5-10 years. I’m not too sure on how effective these prototypes are. My guess is that their progress of EUV sources is quite far now, but that they’ll still need to have greater progress in regards to domestically created collector & debris mitigation systems, projection optics, mask blanks and other things.
theneverfox@pawb.social 17 hours ago
And even then, it’ll need to be commerically viable to compete with the West.
Well, unless they invaded Taiwan…
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
If Taiwan gets invaded they’ll just blow their chip fabs, they’ve said as much multiple times and presumably have a plan in place to do it at a moment’s notice.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
Did anyone think they would not?
Given enough time it’s inevitable any determined organization could make it.demonsword@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Given enough time and an enormous budget it’s inevitable any determined organization could make it.
This kind of milestone isn’t reachable by most countries in the world mostly because of the price tag attached to it
solrize@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Not gonna watch an hour of video but from the blurb,
I had the pleasure and heartache of interviewing Keonne Rodriguez, co-founder of Samourai Wallet, an open-source, non-custodial privacy wallet, who goes to prison this week because of the privacy tool he created.
Maybe some web searches could help figure out what happened. There are certainly tons of bitcoin wallets out there whose implementers didn’t encounter such problems.
snoons@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
wrong post :)
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 minutes ago
The EU should secure a deal with Taiwan. The US has already tried to extort money of Taiwan by threatening the removal of protection. For the sake of democracy’s power and prosperity, the EU should offer to officially protect Taiwan. Having access to quality chips is key to all sorts of things.
Anyhow, the channel ‘Asianometry’, has a video covering the EUV machines. They are an incredible linchpin of our modern world.
The Extreme Engineering of ASML’s EUV Light Source