Submitted 2 weeks ago by jcs@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Also listed here: store.steampowered.com/sale/hardware
Valve has already sent support for the new Steam Controller upstream: www.phoronix.com/news/New-Steam-Controller-SDL
Any educated guesses, or layman guesses, about the price?
My layman guess is 600-800, the low price being same price as the top end steam deck on release
The Machine will apparently be about the price of "an entry level PC".
The Frame will "not cost more than the Index".
Not more than the index is a low bar considering it’s about the most expensive of the mainstream headsets
From what I understand the Steam Machine performance is somewhere between Series S and Series X. I don’t think it will cost more than a Series X.
Maybe 600.
For the cube I expect 1k USD minimum.
I don’t see that being the case, it’s relatively low end silicon, with meh levels of RAM and very poor levels of VRAM.
Seems to me like they’re targeting a lower price point, which I think is a good idea if they want to take market share from Microsoft.
What is up with Valve and their obsession with those stupid touchpads? I hated that on the old Steam D-Pad. Hypersensitive seemingly every moment except when you needed it to be.
The XBox and the PS figured out how to make traditional controllers very well. Nintendo loves to get freaky with it and does a better than average job of innovating in the space. But Valve just seems to want to cobble together spare parts into a janky whatever the hell this is. I don’t get it.
Whomever is making these things, you don’t have to keep doing this. Just be normal!
I used to think XBox controllers were the best controllers on the market. I still think they’re very good. That changed when I held the Steam Deck for the first time. The feel is better overall, and in my opinion the track pads are such an obvious and great improvement on the traditional controller design.
Nowadays when I use other controllers, they just feel “bare bones” and like they’re missing something.
Yeah, I feel like the steam controller was a little hard to get used to, the touchpads always felt a little off, but the steamdeck’s touchpads (and presumably the steam controller 2’s touchpads) are absolutely perfect.
What do you use the Trackpads for? I never felt the need so far and always wondered why they are there in the first place.
I use Dualsense for controller which has a trackpad, but I can’t imagine using it for anything other than the occasional click or two. Do you find them good enough for games? If so, which ones?
Those pads exist for PC games designed for mouse and keyboard. Sony and MS can get away without them because the games are designed arround for the controllers, while the Steam controller was designed for the games.
In games like point and click adventures, city builders, older 1st person shooters and others made for KB&M, the pads are a god-send when playing on the steam deck or on a TV from the couch.
I love the trackpads thanks.
You’ve obviously never tried them and are just talking out of your ass
I mean he’s being really extreme about it but he’s not exactly wrong. The touchpads on my Deck are more of an annoyance than help because of my smaller hands. I can only remember using it in one game and disabled in others because of how my hands would accidentally brush against them so I would love it if they had a touchpad-less version.
You could, like, not buy them, you know?
That is the plan.
I get that the touch pads are meant for mouse emulation. But, it’s a PC! Why wouldn’t I just pair my trackball to it?
For any gaming I’d prefer a mouse for, the gamepad is better. But for some games, the trackball is superior to both. Games like Diablo. I’m not into most of the games that would benefit. Someone named a bunch and yeah, I don’t play those games. But for those games, I have a Logitech trackball I love, the MX570 or whatever. The trackball everyone uses. Not very original, I know, but hey, the thing’s good! It’s why I haven’t bought the Apple Magic Trackpad for my Mac. If I had a mouse, I would have. But the trackball bridges the divide. So yeah, as a trackpad guy (you can’t beat the one on the MacBook) I get it… but not for gaming. Like trying to play Cyberpunk on my MacBook is an exercise in futility. First, there’s no traffic or pedestrians because it’s a base M2 with no GPU (something like a 12th generation Core i5 on the Intel side?) but it runs! At like 720p. But when I look with the trackpad, I randomly shoot because the stupid game doesn’t know how to use a trackpad right. And you shouldn’t use a trackpad for a shooter. But for something that’s 2D or 2.5D or isometric or whatever? Probably the best thing you can use.
I remember hear8ng during the development of the first steam controller, valve have put in a trackball emulator or behavior (whatever it’s called. I’m playing my “English is my second language” card) for the track pads.
I assume they didn’t abandon that and did put it as a configuration for the steam deck, and again still assuming, for the new controller.
If I’m wrong I’m happy to be politely corrected.
Also, hello fellow trackball companion 👋🏾
But what about the steam carrots and broccoli?
Or the Steam(ed) Dumpling.
Or the steamed hams
I want the Steam controller to succeed but why do they make it look like it’s from the 1980s
What controller from the 1980s looked anything like the Steam Controller?
I mean, the Sega Genesis controller was mostly black and had face buttons and a D-pad, but that’s about as close as I can think of, and that’a not much by way of similarity.
Because form and function is not the same thing. I don’t look at the controller while playing just like I dont give a damn how my keyboard look as long as it feels good and does what it is supposed to do.
I was a pretty big enjoyer of the design of the first Steam controller, so adding a second stick and keeping the touchpads sounds great. Also mine broke, I can’t remember exactly what gave out, but it was just destroyed, and using a touchpad for a second stick felt awkward af.
I didn’t even mind the way it bent “backwards”, the fact that the stick and buttons were tiny, or its weird shape. Actually thinking about it, it was the right trigger that broke and just caved in, Spring broke, plastic tab snapped off, just basically a hole left there. I wasn’t about to attempt a repair, either. I don’t have the skill for that.
Anyway, this looks nice. A lot of people seem to call it ugly, but I don’t get it. Sturdy and functional are a good look, so this looks great. And if it functions just as well as the Steam Deck controls, (and of course it will, since it’s basically the same parts except switching out magnetic sticks instead of regular ones)
Here’s hoping the triggers are better on it. It’s definitely on my radar for next year.
Time to sell my never used old steam controller
Never fear! I will happily spare you the trouble, and take that old thing off your hands - free of charge! ;D
I loved that controller. Best damn gamepad I ever had. It was a sad day when it finally gave in, and broke, last year.
Glad Valve is making a console but that’s an ugly fucking controller
Am I the only one who preferred the “skinnier” style of controller like the old GameCube or even N64 controllers? I loved that grip control, now it feels like we’ve been either trending towards bloated controllers like this one that suck for people with smaller hands or those tiny little joycons that hurt to use long term.
Wii classic controller was very nice.
I give 0% of shit how it looks, all I care about it ease of use and performance. Track pads at your finger tips takes getting used to, but it’s a game changer for any game that isn’t classically easy to play with a controller.
If a game isn’t easy to play with a controller then I’m probably just not going to play it with a controller to begin with honestly, track pads or no. If I have to mess with stuff in desktop mode on my steam deck then I use the pads but otherwise, I haven’t really found them useful.
It does look very chonky, and not very aesthetically pleasing.
However, as a heavy user of the steam deck over the past year, I am super excited. The track pads and the extra inputs on the steam deck give so much flexibility to play games that otherwise wouldn’t work well with controller at all. I’m just hoping it feels better (or at least not worse) than the steam deck in terms of ergonomics. I plan on getting one for my desktop PC.
Try using Steam link with a regular controller, and put it in mouse mode. You’ll be wishing for those touch pads.
Why would I ever do that? Ever?
it’s always a good day when valve actually releases hardware. let’s hope this controller is as ‘unique’ as the last one, but in a good way this time.
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The controllers have battery compartments! 🔔 🔔 🔔
A computer you can’t swap the GPU?
It’s built like an extra beefy gaming laptop. Many people have no interest in replacing PC parts, they just want something that works (like a console). If you want a tiny desktop with a graphics card you can build your own, and you probably already have one.
It’s built like an extra beefy gaming laptop.
Much better cooling, which is a limiting factor for the laptop form factor.
Many people have no interest in replacing PC parts
Many people have no interest in replacing their car tires and they just want to drive but i’m sure they would be really pissed if once a tire bursts they would have to replace the car.
It is very hard to make a device that is affordable, compact, efficiently cooled, and modular. Offering complete support is also infinitely more difficult when hardware is not controlled for. GPU and CPU are both customized AMD chips.
If you want to swap your GPU, build your own SFF. Hopefully they’ll have SteamOS available for general use soon.
It is also very hard for them to do marketing selling third parties modular parts, it’s much better for them to come up with a product.
If you want to swap your GPU, build your own SFF.
If you want to replace parts in your computer so that it doesn’t became useless in 5 years or end up in a landfill when a piece break, build your own SFF
So, I’ve been wanting to buy a controller to play classic games.
After doing some research I got an 8bit Do classic 2, which looked and felt great, but I guess couldn’t work with my Bluetooth.
Should I just get an Xbox controller, or hold out for this new Nintendo tech (I only game on PC and Switch, currently).
I’ve bought three controllers for my PC over the years, and none of them have been universally usable.
I vastly prefer the DualSense to the Xbox Series controller, so look into that. It’s a little more expensive but the build quality is much higher and it includes an internal rechargeable battery.
The Steam Controller 2 looks like it’s going to be amazing; I do miss the extra Steam Deck inputs when I use my DualSense. Those back grip buttons are so useful.
Playstation definitely have the most cross platform support (and accessories) out of all of these, and solid build quality. Nintendos pro controller could have been nice if they actually cared about it, but they dont so Googles Stadia is a great standin if you can get it for cheap. I wont even talk about microshits options …
If you want to play just controller games, this one is probably overkill and maybe a bit bulky. I guess the HD haptics are neat.
Then again, it likely won’t be any more expensive than the scam amount of money microsoft charges for their basic, non-HAL effect controllers.
Update the firmware on the 8Bitdo, it should support Steam Input natively on the newer versions
I gave that a shot a few months ago, no dice, the Wi-Fi chip on my motherboard is too new.
I’ll flash it again with current FW and see if that helps.
Does that controller work with one of 8bitdo’s wireless dongles? They’re pretty cheap - I paid around £8 for mine a few years back - but it will need a USB-A port free. Might be a stopgap so you can decide if something else better suits your needs.
I’ll give that a try, mine didn’t come with a dongle.
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pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
16GB RAM, tho?
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah…
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most likely not, my guess is that it’s going to be super fast unified memory like in the Framework Deaktop