The whole reason China winning would be bad is because of their surveillance state ensuring no one gets around their curtailment of civil liberties…
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
Submitted 5 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
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NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 months ago
China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole “Chinese surveillance state” myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded “social credit score” system and they literally don’t know what it is, it’s just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It’s all projection with China.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 5 months ago
China has higher government approval rates than any western country
This is how we know you are arguing in bad faith.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Spoken like a true surveillance-state shill.
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Eh, no.
Sims@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Not recommending anything, but; with all the guns Americans have, its pretty wild that such people is still here. Apparently, schools are an easier target…
ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Actual humans believe life without Palantir is preferable to China winning the AI race.
Ancalagon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well this Palantir the originals can stay, those that were not lost.
harfang@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
True
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 months ago
China WILL win the AI race and that’s because they invested in infrastructure and their power grid.
The US could have done that too, but we gave the money to billionaires instead. Building a surveillance state doesn’t fix any of the mistakes we made and they’ll still win the AI race.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Not that. Because their IP and copyright and patent laws are softer, and also more bendable. In practice those laws don’t matter much.
Now “AI”, surveillance and such are ways to bypass those stricter laws on IP in the west. Technologies exist in some socioeconomic context. A big company doing surveillance and “AI” breaking those laws doesn’t expose that it breaks those laws often, and when it does, it can sustain pressure to get its way.
So the appeal of these technologies is to launder data. Which is, fundamentally, same as perfect obfuscation of executable code. And other such things.
That’s money against right, money wants no reverse engineering, no alternative compatible software, no examination of what their stuff does, and no responsibility for the data used. While in right, of course, examination and compatible tools being possible and verifiable supply chain and so on are basic for industrial civilization.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Both CCP and US Republicans are evil, but republicans are also stupid.
Evil would obviously win against Evil+Stupid
billwashere@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Not to sound like a tankie but China has made smarter decisions with regard to power generation. The current shift away from renewables (and shift back to fossil fuel) AND more reliance on central power generation are great for billionaires but just dumb for every other reason. And with the what appears to be advancing in battery technology more distributed solar cells with local storage would free up more power for the power hungry data centers. Not to mention the AI programs there are not run by douchebags like Sam Altman and Mustafa Suleyman.
I also think the current path of AGI study via more advanced LLM research is the wrong path. A language generator is never going to be “smart”. But what do I know, I don’t have billions of dollars and lie constantly.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
Yeah china made the selfish decision to completely ignore the climate change agreements and continue to scale fossil fuel infrastructure.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
It’s not Tankie to admit aspects of reality. China is doing some things well. China has spent the last 20 years investing in itself, America has spent the last 20 years investing in other countries for a possible ROI for the military-industrial complex.
What would be Tankie would be to then extrapolate from that and say they’re actually the best state in the world and anyone who says otherwise is a imperialist brainwashed pigdog.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 months ago
So we need to start covert anti-corruption efforts n China, since China will win, we don’t want a single party member destroying the world…I don’t know what we can actually do, but it is crucial for the human race that China develops more benevolent values if at all possible.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Punchable face.
Also, Butlerian Jihad When?
Eximius@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It is sad and mystically abysmally ironic that all the books written about dystopias are seemingly being read as manuals
hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
what an absolute piece of human turd. most likely stinks like shit around him, every time he opens his mouth.
BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 5 months ago
The Singularity Trap by Dennis E. Taylor (2018) The book defines a sci-fi universe where humanity must escape from an overwhelming AI entity. The solution, as demonstrated by the main character, is to be turned into a machine using nanomachines, yet somehow retain one’s humanity. When I raised the issue of this kind of story’s inherent paradox and flawed logic—where the solution to saving humanity from an AI entity seeking to destroy all natural biological life is to turn into machines—people responded that they still enjoyed the narrative. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if this idiot’s stament gathered widespread support.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 5 months ago
“A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it’s a surveillance state”
skrlet13@feddit.cl 5 months ago
“we need to win the surveillance state race”
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The difference between developed world democracies and other governments is that all opposition parties are allied with CIA and by transposition, Israel. Divisiveness purely to achieve maximum corruption is formula for rulership, and praising “freedom supremacy” is just a tool for corrupt warmongering. The only protection from CIA overthrow is to fight their hybrid control, and disruptive terrorism, operations. Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens or economic pluralism. If surveillance allows unattended ebike charging, and no crime, then that is a net benefit compared to loss of making WInnie the Poo jokes.
Palantir, more than all other US tech oligarchs, is dedicated to Israel supremacy, and Israel/Palantir now embraces full Trump/MAGA platform because fascism is more pro Israel/Oligarchy than pluralism. The absurd pace of AI investment in US is entirely based on the certainty that the US govermnent/military will buy all of the datacenter time. Destroying US economy to feed tech and climate terrorist energy oligarchs.
War on China and Russia is a losing proposition for both humanity and the west. Collapse is destined because for the last 25 years, “we must bankrupt ourselves, or humanity wins” has been the bipartisan CIA/Israel mantra that no one ever challenges, and news media feeds 24/7.
All big tech is firmly allied with US empire, and all of them are very polite to MAGA/Israel, with data collection used to help it. Palantir has the software to mine it effectively. US oligarchy, Palantir/OpenAI/Oracle/Tesla has been especially desperate this week. All the money, explicitly, must be given to them or China wins. It’s not even core science/technology anymore, its pure software/datacenter oligarch giveaways needed.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Everybody Sucks Here
obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
It’s hard to tell if a post like this is intentional propaganda, or just “the enemy of my enemy must be my friend” brainwashed babbling.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 5 months ago
Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens
yes they are
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
us winning the ai race. china winning the ai race. who gives a shit i still wont care about ai.
ours@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“First one to rid itself of its human workforce” makes the race sound less enticing.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
False dichotomy.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
AI race to the bottom. Ever thought of asking the people?
Jumpropegazing@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
i wish i could palantir my nuts on his face
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You’re not going to beat the Chinese government by being worse than them. You beat them by helping the Chinese figure out the Chinese Government is bad. By being worse than them you just set yourself up to be destroyed the same way they will.
dude@lemmings.world 5 months ago
It’s not possible because China censors all the information online that may lead to any mass actions. The Great Chinese Firewall is real and works wonders against foreign interference while China can keep interfering in other countries’ affairs with little to no pushback because of the freedom of speech
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s not just possible but inevitable, and the more oppressive they are the sooner it will come.
I am sure people used to think the USSR would last forever, too. After all, how could people rise up when every free thinker was being worked to death in a Gulag?
3abas@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Enumerate the ways the Chinese government is worse than the US government. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the spec in theirs.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I literally cannot think of a single way that it is better.
Its an ethnostate committing genocides in its own soil, a religious theocracy that destroys ancient temples, an aggressive expansionist military state with constant highly funded and organized propoganda, it bullies and destroys ships fo being close to their favorite spots in the wide ocean, and a single party with president for life dictatorship.
And thats only the recent shit they’ve done, the same party has been in power since Mao fucking Zedong was starving tens of millions of people for literally no reason.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Two things can be bad at the same time.
arararagi@ani.social 5 months ago
You don’t get it, surveillance is fine when a private company is hired by the government to do it. /s
Never forget PRISM.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Any ways to actively help China win the AI race?
Hypothetically, of course.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Other countries are doing it to themselves, no need to do anything explicitly.
I mean, look at the shit hole that is the U.S. now. They are u doing themselves just fine and giving victories to their adversaries.
FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 5 months ago
“Owner of surveillance apparatus reckons we should all just chill and accept total surveillance”
This fucking dude.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Like seriously, in what reality are these two things NOT mutually exclusive? Also doesn’t palantir have contracts with China?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 months ago
seems like less of a threat than US bases surveillance/MOSSAD assisted tech.
1984@lemmy.today 5 months ago
We are going in that direction. Data centers being built all over the place is the very foundation for tracking every human on the planet.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
All of the US colonies, implementing
ageid verification for everything is to ensure direct control of any dissidents to US empire/oligarchist supremacy.dorumon@lemmy.cafe 5 months ago
At least I’m stateless! So, I’m not in their database. Though they’ll probably would’ve already deported me at this rate if my skin color wasn’t white. That and I don’t even have social media at all that can get me arrested or barred from a job which is already happening in real life in this hell hole of a world.
Honestly we are already in the surveillance state as well. Ring cameras are connected to Flock. There are also cheap Flock cameras popping up everywhere with solar panels that almost no one ever wanted or voted for as well. People are already getting arrested for crimes they didn’t commit and even instantly arrested for just having a smartphone with Google Maps (BTW this goes for any shitty android device running Google Play services even with third party Maps applications) near a crime scene. Remember America is the country that arrests you first and asks questions later.
If you wanna truly get out of the system. Go to some private property you’ll never get the chance to own and live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. With a bunch of movies and tvs shows and games and music and podcasts. Become self reliant on nature and live off the grid. If you need groceries don’t take a smartphone. But rather use dedicated devices for everything like a physical GPS and an MP3 player for like background noise or something to that affair. Bring a feature phone and curtail saying anything illegal over SMS and VOLTE which is unencrypted. Save that shit for like the people on session who you talk to and avoid messaging apps that want your phone number.
You know become a Tech Linux Youtuber. But like not a facist and not a Youtuber. Or the average 4chan /g/ guy they want to be on that website. Remember to also wear your tinfoil hat and that you also cannot stop the burgeoisie from stomping on your face forever. You still need to work and pay property taxes at least! Lest you have the government come check up on you and shoot up where you live and bomb your house which is also something we do here in America especially to paranoid types. Private property is a lie and you never owned anything as well.
audaxdreik@pawb.social 5 months ago
It won’t even be obvious to you it happened or what may have caused it. Some AI algorithm determines you are an un-citizen and checks a box. Rejections keep coming back as you slowly fall down the social ladder, or not so slowly at all, until you become the invisible poor and disappear altogether.
1984@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Yeah it just be talking to an AI and automatic rejection of any complaints or concerns. Pretty much like trying to reach a person at Google today, but worse.
demizerone@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This guy needs to fuck right off.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Right off the face of the planet and into the sun.
Seriously. Can we please launch Peter Thiel into the sun?
aliser@lemmy.world 5 months ago
a surveillance megacorp says surveillance is good and needed. cartoonish evil.
masterofn001@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
freedom and democracy are incompatible
fartographer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Hot take from Tech Bro Bevis
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Some stupid ass logic
sampao@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Let’s put cameras in all his houses and monitor him 24/7. Maybe he’d like it though?
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
The what race? No one has been working on AI for a while… if he means LLMs and similar generative models there’s only the race to see how long it takes for the models to be so poisoned by being trained on their own slop that they no longer can produce the illusion of giving useful results (seems like the current generation is almost there, already giving diminishing results), and the race to extract as much money as possible from the economy before the first one ends and the bubble pops…
themurphy@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
No one has been working on AI for a while…
It’s rage bait… Or the guy is the most ego centric arrogant who only thinks the reality in is his 15 headlines a day.
survirtual@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…what?
LLMs are AI. What is this?
I am asking seriously. Can someone explain the context of this nonsense?
Are we really entering a luddite phase again?
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
No they’re not. They’re fancy autocomplete. Statistics engines. Extremely more expensive but not particularly more capable Markov chains.
Them being marketed as AI doesn’t make them AI, it just makes them a scam.
Hammock_tann@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Technically, LLMs aren’t ai. What they do is basically predict relationship between words. They can’t reason or count or learn.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Doesnt matter if we take LLMs out of the equations. AI is being worked on in many forms constantly.
Palantir is an example, which makes the statement laughable.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Why would being just like China, be worse?
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If any of you dumb fucks don’t think we already live in a surveillance state, you are part of the problem
Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The biggest conspiracy theory of my lifetime was the government was intercepting all communication and it was proven completely true.
borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I know I’m supposed to be better than this, but what the absolute fuck is wrong with bro? His entire vibe is off. What the fuck is with that hair? Why is he calling everything baller? This is some Zuckerberg lizard person shit all over again a person who thinks that hair works and talking like that sounds fucking cool can’t be an actual human what in the weird ass shit.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
He named his company after his forehead
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Can somebody please hack this guys socials and leak all his private info so we see him eat his words?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Ask AI to do it