Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race

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• lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Punchable face.

  Also, Butlerian Jihad When?

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  • Eximius@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It is sad and mystically abysmally ironic that all the books written about dystopias are seemingly being read as manuals

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    • 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      the muad’dib manual.

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• pasdechance@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is Bubble-101. Before the thing exists, imagine the future…

  threatening that another country will get there first combined with pure players like Nvidia, the uncertainty of whether or not it could be a good investment and being able to convince governments and investors to pump money into it.

  If AGI ever becomes what they are promising, everything after 2022 should be a case study for marketing and communications students because they are doing a piss-poor job inspiring confidence and just sound like grifters.

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  • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m feeling really bad about this. I’m an avid global index fund investor (if I can even call myself that by the sums I put in) but seeing this shit unfold…I haven’t put anything in this month and I’ll be looking to invest in bonds or something.

    Putting my money into funds that are even partially invested into this suddenly looks really, really unsafe, even if these funds are generally really good long term.

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    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      S&P490 has been flat at ~ -0.1 Yoy, so yea of the US economy feels pretty shakey apart from the top10.

      It’s probably a much more prudent thing to diversify into either PM or other markets, but it’s tough to know which other market is actually good…

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• Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  False dichotomy.

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• finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You’re not going to beat the Chinese government by being worse than them. You beat them by helping the Chinese figure out the Chinese Government is bad. By being worse than them you just set yourself up to be destroyed the same way they will.

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  • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Enumerate the ways the Chinese government is worse than the US government. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the spec in theirs.

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    • arararagi@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You don’t get it, surveillance is fine when a private company is hired by the government to do it. /s

      Never forget PRISM.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Two things can be bad at the same time.

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I literally cannot think of a single way that it is better.

      Its an ethnostate committing genocides in its own soil, a religious theocracy that destroys ancient temples, an aggressive expansionist military state with constant highly funded and organized propoganda, it bullies and destroys ships fo being close to their favorite spots in the wide ocean, and a single party with president for life dictatorship.

      And thats only the recent shit they’ve done, the same party has been in power since Mao fucking Zedong was starving tens of millions of people for literally no reason.

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  • dude@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s not possible because China censors all the information online that may lead to any mass actions. The Great Chinese Firewall is real and works wonders against foreign interference while China can keep interfering in other countries’ affairs with little to no pushback because of the freedom of speech

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s not just possible but inevitable, and the more oppressive they are the sooner it will come.

      I am sure people used to think the USSR would last forever, too. After all, how could people rise up when every free thinker was being worked to death in a Gulag?

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• NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The whole reason China winning would be bad is because of their surveillance state ensuring no one gets around their curtailment of civil liberties…

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  • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole “Chinese surveillance state” myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded “social credit score” system and they literally don’t know what it is, it’s just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It’s all projection with China.

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    • MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.

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    • 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.

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    • hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.

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    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      China has higher government approval rates than any western country

      This is how we know you are arguing in bad faith.

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• Jumpropegazing@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  i wish i could palantir my nuts on his face

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  We are going in that direction. Data centers being built all over the place is the very foundation for tracking every human on the planet.

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  • audaxdreik@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It won’t even be obvious to you it happened or what may have caused it. Some AI algorithm determines you are an un-citizen and checks a box. Rejections keep coming back as you slowly fall down the social ladder, or not so slowly at all, until you become the invisible poor and disappear altogether.

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah it just be talking to an AI and automatic rejection of any complaints or concerns. Pretty much like trying to reach a person at Google today, but worse.

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    All of the US colonies, implementing age id verification for everything is to ensure direct control of any dissidents to US empire/oligarchist supremacy.

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  • dorumon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    At least I’m stateless! So, I’m not in their database. Though they’ll probably would’ve already deported me at this rate if my skin color wasn’t white. That and I don’t even have social media at all that can get me arrested or barred from a job which is already happening in real life in this hell hole of a world.

    Honestly we are already in the surveillance state as well. Ring cameras are connected to Flock. There are also cheap Flock cameras popping up everywhere with solar panels that almost no one ever wanted or voted for as well. People are already getting arrested for crimes they didn’t commit and even instantly arrested for just having a smartphone with Google Maps (BTW this goes for any shitty android device running Google Play services even with third party Maps applications) near a crime scene. Remember America is the country that arrests you first and asks questions later.

    If you wanna truly get out of the system. Go to some private property you’ll never get the chance to own and live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. With a bunch of movies and tvs shows and games and music and podcasts. Become self reliant on nature and live off the grid. If you need groceries don’t take a smartphone. But rather use dedicated devices for everything like a physical GPS and an MP3 player for like background noise or something to that affair. Bring a feature phone and curtail saying anything illegal over SMS and VOLTE which is unencrypted. Save that shit for like the people on session who you talk to and avoid messaging apps that want your phone number.

    You know become a Tech Linux Youtuber. But like not a facist and not a Youtuber. Or the average 4chan /g/ guy they want to be on that website. Remember to also wear your tinfoil hat and that you also cannot stop the burgeoisie from stomping on your face forever. You still need to work and pay property taxes at least! Lest you have the government come check up on you and shoot up where you live and bomb your house which is also something we do here in America especially to paranoid types. Private property is a lie and you never owned anything as well.

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• mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Any ways to actively help China win the AI race?

  Hypothetically, of course.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Other countries are doing it to themselves, no need to do anything explicitly.

    I mean, look at the shit hole that is the U.S. now. They are u doing themselves just fine and giving victories to their adversaries.

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  anything is preferable to people like you

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• HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Spoken like a true surveillance-state shill.

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• XLE@piefed.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Alex Karp thinks people only care about one kind of surveillance. And he thinks he will alleviate our fears if he gives us a pinky promise not to surveil us in that one way.

  That way is cheating.

  He later brings this up again, saying that most surveillance technology isn’t determining, “Am I shagging too many people on the side and lying to my partner?” Your guess is as good as any as to what that’s all about.

  Well, thanks for clearing that up, Alex. That was indeed my sole concern.

  (The rest of the article is full of indecipherable quotes from Alex, which demonstrates you don’t need to be smart to be rich.)

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• pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Some stupid ass logic

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• hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  what an absolute piece of human turd. most likely stinks like shit around him, every time he opens his mouth.

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• Tangentism@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  CEOs are getting too comfortable again. One needs to be pew-pewed in the streets to thin the herd and guarantee next year’s harvest!

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This guy is the maker of surveillance states.

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I mean, from his perspective, having nothing to lose (besides his soul, ofc, but that’s for silly people 🙄), of course!

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  • count_dongulus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You think the Palantir CEO has a soul? You gaze into that orb once and it’s game over

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• crystalmerchant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If any of you dumb fucks don’t think we already live in a surveillance state, you are part of the problem

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The biggest conspiracy theory of my lifetime was the government was intercepting all communication and it was proven completely true.

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• avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Of course he does. But false dichotomy aside, China has a good chance winning the AI race anyway. Given their existing work, the investment they’re doing in higher education, the internationally trained talent the got, and the industrial base to make cheap energy and hardware, I think at the very least China has a decent chance to create equivalent tools at a lower price than whatever the US AI industry creates.

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• korendian@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Those are the only two options???

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• Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  No it’s not

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• BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not MY Surveillance! YOUR Surveillance!

  -Palantir CEO!

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• Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Eh, no.

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• lmuel@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  How do you win this race? By having the most capable unsustainable LLM? Not sure if I care…

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• Sims@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not recommending anything, but; with all the guns Americans have, its pretty wild that such people is still here. Apparently, schools are an easier target…

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  AI race to the bottom. Ever thought of asking the people?

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• BurnedDonutHole@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The Singularity Trap by Dennis E. Taylor (2018) The book defines a sci-fi universe where humanity must escape from an overwhelming AI entity. The solution, as demonstrated by the main character, is to be turned into a machine using nanomachines, yet somehow retain one’s humanity. When I raised the issue of this kind of story’s inherent paradox and flawed logic—where the solution to saving humanity from an AI entity seeking to destroy all natural biological life is to turn into machines—people responded that they still enjoyed the narrative. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if this idiot’s stament gathered widespread support.

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• borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I know I’m supposed to be better than this, but what the absolute fuck is wrong with bro? His entire vibe is off. What the fuck is with that hair? Why is he calling everything baller? This is some Zuckerberg lizard person shit all over again a person who thinks that hair works and talking like that sounds fucking cool can’t be an actual human what in the weird ass shit.

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  • owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    He named his company after his forehead

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• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  These things are completely orthogonal.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You make Karp sad. Why won’t you buy his profit-driven narrative?

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think billionaires swinging at the gallows is better than Palantir existing.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It may be even better than sliced bread.

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    or when they dont have a “good head” on thier shoulders.

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