Comment on Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race

• arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think fundamentally a lot of people do not understand that just because China and Russia (or a number of other countries) are in opposition to the US doesn’t inherently make them “good.” They’re pretty much all shitty too, just in different ways than the US, yet actual problems get brushed off as “the loss of making Winnie the Poo jokes,” as if not being able to make jokes on Weibo is the problem.

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• propaganja@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Instead of “China is not trying to oppress its citizens” it’d be more accurate to say that China is not in the state of advanced decline that requires [as much] oppression of its citizens to maintain power and control. Everything else, unfortunately, is spot on.

  Even left as-is, it’s a far cry from “intentional propaganda”. What motive would there even be to spread such? Do you imagine hordes of self-hating Americans, Chinese bots and shills, and China stans are behind every post that criticizes the U.S. and praises China? Or that someone somehow managed to “brainwash” a significant portion of the population into believing complete fabrications and/or turning their allegiance to China?

  The reality is that most people have a far easier time believing pleasant fictions and ignoring inconvenient facts than they do swallowing their pride and conceding to an enemy. On the Internet it’s pretty much everyone, and the rare exceptions must be eradicated. Case in point.

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  • obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “x country has GOOD state surveillance of its people. Not BAD surveillance of its people like Y country” can only ever be propaganda.

    its silly to pretend otherwise and we’re not having a serious conversation at this point.

    But I do imagine that every single post which promotes, as a positive, the oppression of a people’s freedom and dignity by their own government, is either propaganda or the product of a loathing so deep it manifests in an illogical rose tinted view of any perceived competitor.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Western governments are complete fucking corrupt shit. China’s simply is not, but at very least, not purposed to collapse and destroy itself or its society. The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working. If only DNC can regain power, then we can fortunately restart the full fledged support for war on Iran and Russia, and finally achieve Trump’s 5% of GDP for military spending target.

  Look at Covid response. Is trying to keep deaths at 0, oppressing its people? US government policy was to destroy blue cities through overwhelming pandemic, and side with those complaining about the inconvenience of public safety, by forcing workers into the crowded mines.

  I didn’t mean to imply that China’s government is perfect. But as long as CIA desires its destruction, divisive/treasonous/oligarchist speech cannot be permitted. My main point is the absolute complete corrupt evil shit our governments are. The megalomaniacal alliance forces world to be shit too, though, the free world is actually the non-US aligned world.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Two things can be bad at the same time.

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  • Corridor8031@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working

    do you mean this as your countrys democracy, or democracy in general?

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Democracy in general is supposed to lead to truth and pluralism. An establishment preferring to retain power will fake democracy as a tool to validate that power. This/democracy provides the result you deserve.

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