“Owner of surveillance apparatus reckons we should all just chill and accept total surveillance”
This fucking dude.
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
Submitted 3 weeks ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
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FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Like seriously, in what reality are these two things NOT mutually exclusive? Also doesn’t palantir have contracts with China?
treadful@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I’d rather be a free and open society than win any kind of industrial race.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China WILL win the AI race and that’s because they invested in infrastructure and their power grid.
The US could have done that too, but we gave the money to billionaires instead. Building a surveillance state doesn’t fix any of the mistakes we made and they’ll still win the AI race.
billwashere@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not to sound like a tankie but China has made smarter decisions with regard to power generation. The current shift away from renewables (and shift back to fossil fuel) AND more reliance on central power generation are great for billionaires but just dumb for every other reason. And with the what appears to be advancing in battery technology more distributed solar cells with local storage would free up more power for the power hungry data centers. Not to mention the AI programs there are not run by douchebags like Sam Altman and Mustafa Suleyman.
I also think the current path of AGI study via more advanced LLM research is the wrong path. A language generator is never going to be “smart”. But what do I know, I don’t have billions of dollars and lie constantly.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s not Tankie to admit aspects of reality. China is doing some things well. China has spent the last 20 years investing in itself, America has spent the last 20 years investing in other countries for a possible ROI for the military-industrial complex.
What would be Tankie would be to then extrapolate from that and say they’re actually the best state in the world and anyone who says otherwise is a imperialist brainwashed pigdog.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
So we need to start covert anti-corruption efforts n China, since China will win, we don’t want a single party member destroying the world…I don’t know what we can actually do, but it is crucial for the human race that China develops more benevolent values if at all possible.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Yeah china made the selfish decision to completely ignore the climate change agreements and continue to scale fossil fuel infrastructure.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Both CCP and US Republicans are evil, but republicans are also stupid.
Evil would obviously win against Evil+Stupid
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Not that. Because their IP and copyright and patent laws are softer, and also more bendable. In practice those laws don’t matter much.
Now “AI”, surveillance and such are ways to bypass those stricter laws on IP in the west. Technologies exist in some socioeconomic context. A big company doing surveillance and “AI” breaking those laws doesn’t expose that it breaks those laws often, and when it does, it can sustain pressure to get its way.
So the appeal of these technologies is to launder data. Which is, fundamentally, same as perfect obfuscation of executable code. And other such things.
That’s money against right, money wants no reverse engineering, no alternative compatible software, no examination of what their stuff does, and no responsibility for the data used. While in right, of course, examination and compatible tools being possible and verifiable supply chain and so on are basic for industrial civilization.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Stamau123@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“It’s just… We’re named after the artifact the ancient evil used to peer on the world.”
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
he has several companies named after lotr things, ANDURIL,mithril i think, lembas,etc.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
“A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it’s a surveillance state”
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The difference between developed world democracies and other governments is that all opposition parties are allied with CIA and by transposition, Israel. Divisiveness purely to achieve maximum corruption is formula for rulership, and praising “freedom supremacy” is just a tool for corrupt warmongering. The only protection from CIA overthrow is to fight their hybrid control, and disruptive terrorism, operations. Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens or economic pluralism. If surveillance allows unattended ebike charging, and no crime, then that is a net benefit compared to loss of making WInnie the Poo jokes.
Palantir, more than all other US tech oligarchs, is dedicated to Israel supremacy, and Israel/Palantir now embraces full Trump/MAGA platform because fascism is more pro Israel/Oligarchy than pluralism. The absurd pace of AI investment in US is entirely based on the certainty that the US govermnent/military will buy all of the datacenter time. Destroying US economy to feed tech and climate terrorist energy oligarchs.
War on China and Russia is a losing proposition for both humanity and the west. Collapse is destined because for the last 25 years, “we must bankrupt ourselves, or humanity wins” has been the bipartisan CIA/Israel mantra that no one ever challenges, and news media feeds 24/7.
All big tech is firmly allied with US empire, and all of them are very polite to MAGA/Israel, with data collection used to help it. Palantir has the software to mine it effectively. US oligarchy, Palantir/OpenAI/Oracle/Tesla has been especially desperate this week. All the money, explicitly, must be given to them or China wins. It’s not even core science/technology anymore, its pure software/datacenter oligarch giveaways needed.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens
yes they are
obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s hard to tell if a post like this is intentional propaganda, or just “the enemy of my enemy must be my friend” brainwashed babbling.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Everybody Sucks Here
skrlet13@feddit.cl 2 weeks ago
“we need to win the surveillance state race”
aliser@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
a surveillance megacorp says surveillance is good and needed. cartoonish evil.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Man who is the CEO of a business selling mass surveillance beyond the likes of even George Orwell’s 1984 says we should run head first into a surveillance state from which he will directly profit from.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Breaking News.
Man with vested interest in selling his services, insists buying his services is the only way to save us from the evil foreign menace
MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If you read his book The Technological Republic, he calls for a « collectivist » ideology and the merger of corporation and state. A few historical examples to choose from would be Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia or Communist China to get an idea of his vision for America’s future.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What? The man who rivals the spying ability of many nations isnt totally on the up and up? Whuda thunkit!
demonsword@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
he calls for a « collectivist » ideology and the merger of corporation and state
Collectivism my ass, neither he nor any of his fellow billionaires will ever relinquish ownership of their companies. They simply want to also own the state and rule like feudal lords.
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
…the 1984 Macintosh commercial…
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Boy I wish we as a society would stop reporting on these sociopathic vampires spouting whatever nonsense just popped into their heads
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
How would you know that they are sociopathic vampires if no one reported on what they believed in?
deranger@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
By the sheer amount of accumulated wealth.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
In this case we should indeed report on them because it is not much clear to the public what palantir does and they have ties and contracts with the government
Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The public needs public mass surveillance on CEOs and the top 1% only. They are the top threat to the world
voldage@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is that quick and funny operation that you can do using guilotine (or anything you can get your hands on if you’re creative enough!) that significantly reduce the need for oversight. I agree we should put monitoring around the mass grave in case those ghouls can actually get up. It’s a stretch, but better safe than sorry.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sure but it’s looking a lot more likely that the mass graves will be for the working class
ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Actual humans believe life without Palantir is preferable to China winning the AI race.
Ancalagon@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well this Palantir the originals can stay, those that were not lost.
harfang@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
True
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
His head on a pike would be preferrable to both.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Legalise it plz.
db2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t wait to see this guy hanging by his left nut while people take shots at him like a piñata.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
its nothing more than a creation of thiel, a soulless puppet animated from various materials.
awful_neutral@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Ahh yes. The only 2 options
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
us winning the ai race. china winning the ai race. who gives a shit i still wont care about ai.
ours@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“First one to rid itself of its human workforce” makes the race sound less enticing.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The what race? No one has been working on AI for a while… if he means LLMs and similar generative models there’s only the race to see how long it takes for the models to be so poisoned by being trained on their own slop that they no longer can produce the illusion of giving useful results (seems like the current generation is almost there, already giving diminishing results), and the race to extract as much money as possible from the economy before the first one ends and the bubble pops…
survirtual@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
…what?
LLMs are AI. What is this?
I am asking seriously. Can someone explain the context of this nonsense?
Are we really entering a luddite phase again?
themurphy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Doesnt matter if we take LLMs out of the equations. AI is being worked on in many forms constantly.
Palantir is an example, which makes the statement laughable.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
No they’re not. They’re fancy autocomplete. Statistics engines. Extremely more expensive but not particularly more capable Markov chains.
Them being marketed as AI doesn’t make them AI, it just makes them a scam.
Hammock_tann@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Technically, LLMs aren’t ai. What they do is basically predict relationship between words. They can’t reason or count or learn.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
No one has been working on AI for a while…
It’s rage bait… Or the guy is the most ego centric arrogant who only thinks the reality in is his 15 headlines a day.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Aliens (even illegal ones) are preferable to an asteroid strike, too.
Too bad they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
what about illegal space aliens.
demizerone@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This guy needs to fuck right off.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Right off the face of the planet and into the sun.
Seriously. Can we please launch Peter Thiel into the sun?
sampao@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Let’s put cameras in all his houses and monitor him 24/7. Maybe he’d like it though?
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hell no
DamnianWayne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let me second that… Oh hell, no
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I bet you’d be able to get a great grip on his hair as you wind up with the other hand for that oh-so-punchable face.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to
China Winning the AI RacePlanatir shareholders not getting rich fast enoughFixed it
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
False dichotomy.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re not going to beat the Chinese government by being worse than them. You beat them by helping the Chinese figure out the Chinese Government is bad. By being worse than them you just set yourself up to be destroyed the same way they will.
3abas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Enumerate the ways the Chinese government is worse than the US government. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the spec in theirs.
arararagi@ani.social 3 weeks ago
You don’t get it, surveillance is fine when a private company is hired by the government to do it. /s
Never forget PRISM.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Two things can be bad at the same time.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I literally cannot think of a single way that it is better.
Its an ethnostate committing genocides in its own soil, a religious theocracy that destroys ancient temples, an aggressive expansionist military state with constant highly funded and organized propoganda, it bullies and destroys ships fo being close to their favorite spots in the wide ocean, and a single party with president for life dictatorship.
And thats only the recent shit they’ve done, the same party has been in power since Mao fucking Zedong was starving tens of millions of people for literally no reason.
dude@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not possible because China censors all the information online that may lead to any mass actions. The Great Chinese Firewall is real and works wonders against foreign interference while China can keep interfering in other countries’ affairs with little to no pushback because of the freedom of speech
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not just possible but inevitable, and the more oppressive they are the sooner it will come.
I am sure people used to think the USSR would last forever, too. After all, how could people rise up when every free thinker was being worked to death in a Gulag?
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can somebody please hack this guys socials and leak all his private info so we see him eat his words?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ask AI to do it
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Punchable face.
Also, Butlerian Jihad When?
Eximius@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It is sad and mystically abysmally ironic that all the books written about dystopias are seemingly being read as manuals
boaratio@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’ve never seen this guy giving a talk, it’s worth looking at. This guy is a total tweeker. Can’t sit still, and has insane thoughts he’s just willing to say in public.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
What’s crazy is I agree with some of what he says, but disagree entirely with his company.
Basically, he says the Antichrist promises security in exchange for giving up your freedom. However, his company does exactly that, it promises security in exchange for taking away freedom from the people. So at best he’s a hypocrite and at worst an accelerationist.
I agree that people are willing to trade freedom for security, but I disagree that’s what governments should do. Governments need to protect freedoms first, and security second.
palordrolap@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Oh! This must be the guy who was called out on that exact thing and it gave him serious pause before he was able to jump-start the bullsh-tting part of his brain.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuckin lunatics.
Sektor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuckin lunatics with money, power and agenda.
percent@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
How would a surveillance state even prevent that?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you beat them at it, they can’t do it themselves! Duh! Oh, wait.
fletcher_bosom@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
False dichotomy, much?
6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Crazy fucks do that sometimes. I wonder why people still listen to them.