Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he'll win.
Come on, just leave Windows all together
Microsoft Is Now Being Sued Over Sunsetting Windows 10
Submitted 8 months ago by faizalr@fedia.io to technology@lemmy.world
https://lifehacker.com/tech/microsoft-is-being-sued-over-sunsetting-windows-10
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noverby@lemmy.world 8 months ago
iterable@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Never forget we were told Windows 10 would be the last version. That all updates from then on would be only to Windows 10.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
That was one person who phrased something poorly and it was taken out of context. Sadly.
Asafum@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Literally why I paid for a new version instead of… Finding other ways to install it.
That’s on us though for believing scumbag corporations won’t just straight up lie to sell stuff I suppose :(
BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
This is my big beef. Last version. Sounded great. We’ve been betrayed.
pokexpert30@jlai.lu 8 months ago
People will do ANYTHING but switch to linux, huh.
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I only really use my laptop to DJ and you can’t run Rekordbox on Linux. I’d love to swap, but Linux doesn’t seem to do what I need it to do.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I wish more people were willing to give Linux a shot but I also understand that for most of them its a matter of the devil you know versus the one you don’t. They don’t want to learn a new OS when they can just to do their banking and watch TikTok with what they have.
Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 8 months ago
Businesses are locked in and the people making the decisions aren’t IT people. I did the Win11 conversion at my last job and have been working on it at my current position. It might just be my social bubble, but the only people worried about Win10 is corpo.
Iunnrais@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it.
I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need.
BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I bought a Mac laptop
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Technically Unix now lol
oatscoop@midwest.social 8 months ago
My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux.
My gaming computer isn’t – as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don’t want to work in Linux.
utopiah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Which VR headset? Don’t have problem with Valve Index or Quests.
vithigar@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I’m in exactly the same boat. Five linux machines in the house plus two windows gaming rigs, mine and my partners.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Until Linux uses pretty pictures it won’t be a thing
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Linux would find a larger audience if developers remembered that not every user is a power user.
absentbird@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new.
They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them.
I think that’s basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions.
The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it’s as simple as wanting the same name; if it’s not called ‘outlook’ they don’t want it, doesn’t matter how well it works.
MonkRome@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m fairly techy have a technical job that involves programming, data, and implementation. And I’m still on Microsoft and stock Android. It’s really not that complicated for some of us. I’m not on my phone or home computer that much, I have a mile long “to do” list. I’d love to switch over, but it’s a super low priority. Even if it would only be a few hours, that’s a few hours I could be doing anything else.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So I’m partially on board with you.
HOWEVER, windows 11 is dog shit. It’s been over 2 years and is still broken. Missing many features that are available in 10, some super basic shit.
Coupled with the fact 11 is really pushing ai crap, won’t run legit on decent hardware, people are tired of having to buy a new computer every four years. I’m still running an 8th gen, spent $2k+ when I made it and other than being able to play newer games, it doesn’t feel like a thing changed under the hood.
I have several 8th gen dells I used as servers, no reason to replace those for an ad riddled operating system.
Wanting to change and being forced to upgrade are completely different things and I see both sides, having people learn something new and forcing it for “reasons” is bullshit.
UltraMagnus@startrek.website 8 months ago
The assumption that you’ll lose a lawsuit against a large corporation probably stops a lot of viable lawsuits from ever happening - good for him for giving it a go.
Guidy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Good, fuck ‘em.
DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Hey, Microsoft said 10 was the last version of Windows…
codenul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Sometimes YOU have to make changes that you want to see. And not wait for corporations
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s the last version of Windows I’ll ever install, so the statement was accurate but incomplete.
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The last version I’ll ever install was 7, so I guess they’re back to lying!
garretble@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m old enough to remember when MS said Windows 10 would be the last Windows and they’d just update it over time.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Kinda glad that wasn’t the case because those of us who’ve been using Windows 10 all this time would just end up with what Windows 11 is but masquerading as Win 10.
I’m more comfortable with being pushed back into the Linux pool and relearning how to swim those waters.
LePoisson@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Having gone from 10 to 11 - it’s pretty much windows 10, at least to an average user like myself … I’m tech savvy enough for Linux but I prefer windows for gaming.
Have to say so far I’m pretty happy with windows 11 but I’m just a random guy who uses it to play video games and that’s about it on that PC so if you’re doing anything crazy under the hood I’m sure there’s some noticeable differences.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I hope he wins.
Windows peaked with XP. 7 was alright. 8 was a free fall of a downward slide falloff.
Appified overly complicated slop and bloat filled garbage ever since.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Win 7 for me. It didn’t try to fix what want broken.
ronigami@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They are a monopoly protected by patents. Completely unamerican philosophically.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
IDK I liked 7 pretty much as much as I like XP. For me it was 10 that was just alright.
My brother convinced me to switch to 11 when I built my most recent gaming desktop and I somewhat regret listening to him but I know dual booting is a waste of time for me and I’m not quite ready to make the full jump to Linux because my desktop has a 4070 Super. It’ll ahve to wait until my next PC. Fortunately, I don’t have the version of 11 with Recall pre-installed at least.
I use my Steam Deck more than my gaming desktop these days anyway.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Why is the 4070 an issue regarding linux? Nvidia drivers have come a long way since the beginning of the year, currently running modded cyberpunk on my 3070 Ti without issues.
Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Why does the 4070 super keep you from switching to Linux? I have a gaming PC with a 4070 and I dont really have issues. No more than I did with windows in general
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Win 2k pro was best. Fight me;) I hated the fisher price look of XP.
lightnegative@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nah win2k pro was really, really slow compared to xp
Randelung@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I liked Vista. Aero Glass was cool.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
the fisher price look of XP.
Thank you for my belly laugh of the day. 😂
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
It had classic themes available
Valmond@lemmy.world 8 months ago
DirectX 3.5 only? IIRC.
TBi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nah they peaked at NT4.0! Fight me! I remember using that for my dual core celeron system! Abit BP6 FTW.
(I agree with you about 2k, but I liked XP and loved the look of Vista so what do I know…)
64bitrowlet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I agree that windows should not stop supporting previous versions of windows. Especially when going from windows 10 to 11 wasn’t at all that big of a change. They very easily could have waited longer before making windows 11 the standard or even windows 11 period because it was not that big of a change.
Unfortunately they did not do anything illegal in my opinion but we’ll have to see how this plays out I guess.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The issue isn’t so much about the actual OS change, as it is about their dumb forced requirement of a TPM. A lot of perfectly fine PC’s don’t have one or don’t have it enabled, as it can cause headaches. If they dropped that requirement, a lot fewer people would care about the switch.
I’ve got an ROG B550E motherboard in my PC, built in July 2021. It’s perfectly fine, perfectly capable. Big ‘ole 3090 in it, plenty of ram… I have zero need to upgrade right now.
It has a firmware TPM option, but that involves doing stuff like updating the bios, configuring some stuff and runs the risk of potentially breaking something. Now, I’m willing to give that a go if push comes to shove, but your average consumer just doesn’t want to deal with that hassle.
Which means that a lot of folks are going to be running an unsupported OS or buying new PC’s when the old ones are still more than capable. You can guess what I think will happen…
64bitrowlet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ah that makes sense. I didn’t know what TPM was until today. Surprised that wasn’t in the details in the new article to be honest. Or maybe it was but because I didn’t know what TPM is I didn’t make sense of it.
Microsoft Windows is going to face a challenge in the future with Linux because eventually it will be a bigger thing than Windows and if Windows is unable to change their model Microsoft will not be able to do anything about it. Hence why when Microsoft over a decade ago was faced with the challenge that they were a monopoly and instead of them giving half their stock to Linux, they gave it to Apple so that Apple would compete with Microsoft and they knew they had beaten them once in competition and they can more than easily do it again. Where as with Linux it would be too hard. Especially with the open source capabilities Linux has making it very hard to compete with once it gets too big.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
And windows 10 will be the last windows. Did everyone forget that??
Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 months ago
If you don’t switch on SecureBoot, that can still be the truth.
64bitrowlet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean I would rather use linux if I could get away with it. Unfortunately I have a lot of engineering programs on my pc that I know for a fact would definitely not run on linux which sucks I guess since I am stuck with windows. I thought about dual booting my pc but then immediately realized that is problematic XD.
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve seen this episode before. something, something, WinXP.
zecg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Even if he does win, it’s still Windows, still under their control. It’d be maliciously and quite supraliminaly enshittified until it’s unusable. Just slap on a CachyOS or anything else open source
dizzy@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
supraliminal
Thanks for my word of the day!
lsjw96kxs@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The end of the article misses one possible way to deal with your computer, migrating to Linux. It’s not possible for all the mass of people, but it’s still a possibility.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
It’s been clear for years now that I’ll have to fully switch over to Linux eventually once Windows is completely locked down like Macs are. The Steam Deck has been a great stepping stone to getting more comfortable with using it.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 8 months ago
I feel like Linux right now is where Windows was in the XP days. for 90% of users it will work out of the box for them. They will be able to check their email, watch YouTube, doom scroll on their choose social media. The challenge is that for the other 10%, the learning curve is a lot steeper than XP was. The learning curve problem is compounded by the massive pile of guide for deprecated sub systems.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hell yes.
Switch to Mint, folks! It’s easy and works just like Windows, except better.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It very much is. If you’re willing to invest a few hours of your time to learn something new, you can absolutely switch to Linux.
amju_wolf@pawb.social 8 months ago
There is still a lot of software and some very popular games that just don’t work on Linux.
artyom@piefed.social 8 months ago
Uhhh what about Apple?
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Yes. Old Apple computers are great… for running Linux. Mac OS tends to shut down.
zecg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a) well enshittified to be cumbersome to use without apple’s shitty cloud, b) quality control is really bad last few releases and c) just a different class of a same phylum of fucking corporate roaches
n3cr0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s like switching from Tesla to BMW and paying the premium for the heated seats and adjustable shock absorbers to work.
Psythik@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No one cares about Macs.
artyom@piefed.social 8 months ago
Several million people who buy them every year certainly do.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He’d probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don’t know…
THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY’D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.
biofaust@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And that’s why if you open the command line in Windows 11 you will read:
10.0.26200.5742
Et voilà!
codenul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Its funny since when the .iso for Windows 11 first became available, it would state you were installing Windows 10 or even Windows Server edition but after installing, it would be Windows 11
Window build numbers are still Windows 10.xxxxxx
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Its a fun fantasy but Microsofts pockets are eay too deep to lose to some avarage joe.
goatinspace@feddit.org 8 months ago
🐧🐧*🐧🐧🐧=🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧🐧
Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Looking into switching to Linux…
thatcrow@ttrpg.network 7 months ago
They did say it would be the last version.
Anyone who bought Windows 10 expecting that to be true got scammed.
I hope the corporation has to pay trillions.