No, we’d simply find some other difference to get divided on.
If everyone spontaneously became the same race the world would realize that the rich are the real problem
Submitted 1 day ago by FenrirIII@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’d be regions/land-based, probably. “Southern pride,” etc…just without the racism. Fuck those star-bellied sneeches across the river.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Glad that you brought up the Sneeches!
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And I hear those damn Zooks eat their bread with the buttered side down.
ceenote@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I vote we use wealth.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Unfortunately it’s the wealthy people who decide.
4grams@awful.systems 1 day ago
psoul@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Exactly. This is why people say race is a construct.
If we all became the same race then some self labeled ingroup would construct (i.e. create) new criteria to label others as an outgroup eventually creating new races.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Having lived in a majority white city where they divided themselves between countries of origin, this would happen.
Until a large Hispanic influx northeast PA had Italian sections, Irish sections, Lithuanian sections, Polish sections, etc. When my ex’s grandmother met me she asked me “what are you?” despite us both being white.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
In the show All In The Family, Archie isn’t just bigoted against non-caucasians; he’s bigoted against the polish, Irish, Italians, etc… He’s less bigoted against those groups than he is against non-whites, but still bigoted. He’s also bigoted against catholics
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 day ago
Or people would simply be divided over what race they used to be.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
After a few generations, they’d start to forget
Phen@lemmy.eco.br 1 day ago
And people would also track down and document what race people used to be before the change happened so that they could keep on hating too.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
haloduder@thelemmy.club 5 hours ago
I wish, but no.
For one, they would blame religion.
Barring that, they would find any other differences among us to blame.
Barring that, rich people will use their power and influence to make sure we find some way to blame each other instead of them.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Race was invented by them to divide us. They’ll just invent something else.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
They already use gender, sexuality, nationality, anything really. Race is just one of many strings on the harp of bigotry.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Absolutely. Religion, language, country of origin, gender, age, there’s no shortage of useless ways to divide people. Our differences aren’t the issue, the issue is the rich and powerful exploiting our differences to pit us against each other.
dil@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Indian hate goes up whenever india related policies go into effect, trump tarrifs india and no one gived a fk since all day see is normalized indian hate for months prior
abekonge@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Uh we are the same race. There do not exist multiple human races in any biological sense. So what would happen is what is happening now. en.wikipedia.org/…/Race_(human_categorization)?wp…
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 1 day ago
Virtually all racism boils down to colorism
sulgoth@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Don’t forget that people hated the Irish too. Color ain’t the only reason.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Where people draw racial lines is arbitrary. I guess it is largely defined by skin colour and culture
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
Look. I live in a small town. The people one town over are dumb as fuck and ugly inbreeds.
They say the same about us.
See the problem? What we need is for the fucking psychologists to step up their game and develop bulletproof tests for sociopaths.
Keep them out of positions of any power and we’re well on our way for a golden age of humanity.
MrEff@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Auli@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
We are all the same race we are just different colours. Can you imagine any other animals fighting over their looks.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
There’s still Religious bigotry… That’s worked as an alternative for eons
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
They’d still argue over religion. And what sports team they cheer for. And whatever else the billionaire owned media could decide to distract them with.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
If I really wanted an excuse to hate people, I’d hate people who make dumb complaints about movies
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 day ago
People who can’t dont their blinkers
People with no regard to those around them
People who litter or don’t clean up after their dog
The list goes on.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
But To be fair, why was Gandalf the White just waiting around in the forest for Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas to stumble upon him?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
There is only the human race. Any differences in appearance is less that a % of genetic difference.
Peasley@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Our modern concept of race was invented in 1684 by this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Bernier?wprov=sfla…
It’s been utter bullshit from the start
thoon@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Of course he was fr*nch
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I'm ngl he looks exactly like what I expected.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 1 day ago
"Our"
I've ever only seen Americans and random racists use the term that way. Most of us agree that we're one race.
cattywampas@midwest.social 1 day ago
Fun fact, there is more genetic variation within Africa than there is in the rest of the world combined. This is because only a small lineage of humans ended up migrating out of Africa.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There’s no logical difference, but there’s all the emotional difference in the world. We evolved to be suspicious of that tribe over on the other mountain. And well we should have been! They might just come over and slaughter us for our women and land.
Besides, we didn’t evolve to operate in groups larger than about 150. Past that, other people become objects in our minds. We can’t be truly close to more than that many people. What is the Monkeysphere? ( <- solid article on all this)
It’s why I understand the immigrant hate. Earth’s population has more than doubled in my lifetime. “Who ARE all these people and why are they from another tribe?! It was already crowded!”
Only way we get over the hate ironically consists of two seemingly opposed plans:
- We need less people, or at least spread 'em out. Mammals get freaky when crowded.
- Get different sorts of people mixed up. People hate the idea of immigrants, “Meh, the ones I know are great people. It’s those others who are bad guys.”
We’ll get there. There have been massive strides in my lifetime alone.
Maeve@kbin.earth 1 day ago
We'll get there. There have been massive strides in my lifetime alone.
If we don't extinct ourselves and a bunch of other species, first. Maybe. The current race toward devolution gives me pause to doubt, however.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
There’s no logical difference?
My particular health risks would beg to differ.
There’s differences, but basiing your ooi ion of someone on their race (bigotry and racism) is “philistine, backward thinking”.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
all people have like 99.9% of their DNA in common, that hasn’t stopped them from waging wars in the past.
vane@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
People will argue about something else. You can change the parameters of the simulation but you can’t change the outcome.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
A see a few people here saying “they” when we should be using “we.” Just by using “they” you’re exhibiting the mindset of “they, not me” and “us vs them.” Racism is just one facet of it.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
The British have never needed race to start fights with the French.
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Fucking Gauls.
rational_lib@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Nah they would just invent new races. What’s the point of race? What does it mean exactly? Notice that the races in the US at least roughly align with economic classes.
That’s not an accident. Obviously without the concept of races, people would still have different skin color and hair, but the implications would be entirely different. Culture, neighborhoods, etc. wouldn’t be separated. And most importantly, it would be ever so slightly harder for rich people to make the majority feel like they’re in the same group as them.
leftthegroup@lemmings.world 13 hours ago
Or better yet, everyone appears to be whatever the new mono-race is, but in mirrors and other reflections and photos, racists see their least favorite race.
That way they still get to suffer.
tisktisk@piefed.social 1 day ago
You... You really think we wouldn't find some other trivial differences to get overly tribal over?
Maeve@kbin.earth 1 day ago
Yes, I remember this conversation with a parent when I was in my 20s. They reminded me of clan and tribal wars.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 day ago
Idk man. The Sneetches “got really quite wise on that day”, but they still never guillotined Sylvester McMonkey McBean.
if_only@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It seems the sneetches wisdom knows very specifically defined bounds
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 day ago
That, mate, is the best comparison.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 day ago
Tell me you don't know what the nazies did in Eastern Europe without telling me you don't what the nazies did in Eastern Europe. Or how the Irish were considered in the USA, or the italians...
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Let me tell you a bit bout a guy that I’ve seen.
A man known as Sylvester McMonkey McBean.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
Race isn’t really important to anyone but americans? There is racism everywhere, obviously, but race itself isn’t important.
Fondots@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Kind of depends on how you define “race” (it’s pretty much scientifically meaningless, so define it however the hell you like)
But we have several currently ongoing attempts at genocide happening around the world, that to me tells me that a hell of a lot of people out there care a whole lot about race.
American racism is particularly odd to me due to how broadly we categorize race, trying to lump people into a black/white/Hispanic/Asian/etc. category based on not much more than skin color. And we’re also unusuallly open about the fact that racism is a thing here. A lot of the world kind of keeps it more on the down-low.
But if you go with narrower definitions of race, you’ll see the same kind of things happening around the world as in America. I’ve seen people from the UK talk about Polish immigrants in much the same way people here talk about Mexicans, and that’s not even going into the cluster fuck of how much of Europe treats Romani people. A whole lot of people in Asian countries have issues with other people from other Asian countries, or even different ethnic groups within their own countries (like Uyghurs in china.) Parts of Africa are patchworks of different ethnic groups that are often at each other’s throats, and of course South Africa is still a long way from having its shit fully sorted out. A lot of white Australians have pretty significant biases against Aboriginal people.
I could go on.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
In my understanding term race always comes to phenotype. For me difference is ethnicity is considerably less important then nationality. There is casual racism of course, but people judge you mostly not because you look like southern european, but because you are greek for example.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nah. I’ve read online Europeans bashing every other sort of European, and they’re mostly white. Often in jest, often in “Fuck the Gypsies!” Or the Greeks, or the Muslims, or what have you.
The US is quickly closing on on 50% white, 50% everyone else. Meanwhile, in Europe. So yeah, maybe we talk race too much, or use it as a shorthand too casually, but that doesn’t automatically mean hate or exclusion. We just have big groups of races, ethnicities, whatever.
Not going to hear about America’s racism when Europe is solid white. In other words, why would they complain about black people, or any other major ethnicity, when they don’t have any?
As to other countries, I gather Japan is as racist as human culture gets. Australians are racist with the aborigines. Africans are racist against other African tribal groups. China is destroying the Uyghurs. I know jack about South America, but I got most of the rest of us in there! Not parroting the meme, but Canadians seem pretty nice. Oh, we go insane on each other in Antarctica. :)
Any of that make sense? Feels a bit rambly.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
That’s the point for you everything is race, we hate our neighbours thirty kilometers away not because they are white or black, but becuase they are savage and barely even count as humans. 🙃
Greeks and turks aren’t different race (or different anything, really), they are historical enemies and subscribe ro different religions.
Point is, nobody but americans (as far as random conversations on the internet go) think in races or whatever, people don’t hate gypsies because they look like gypsies, but because who they are and what they represent for people that hate them.
Even your statistics is always points out which race does whatever and low-key always imply that latino (whatever the term means) isn’t really white.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
(can’t edit my posts)
Damn. Forgot India. Caste system, all I need to say. Not so sure about Pakistan, Afghanistan, that whole area. South East Asia? No clue, but they seem pretty homogeneous in the smaller nation states, though I gather they’re none of them fans of the Japanese. And I’m sure that sentiment is reciprocated. :)
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
We’d still find ways to focus on what makes us different and fight about it.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 hours ago
Even identical conjoined twins with one body and two heads who share every experience, have different perspectives. One sees slightly more to the left, the other more to the right.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
But what race?
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
400m
MTK@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Twist, it is a completely novel race, no one looks normal anymore
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I’d like for everyone to have green skin and antennae
MTK@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I was thinking less alien, more realistic.
Maybe everyone is now a vaguely human looking Dusky Leaf Monkey.
Imagine the skin color patterns, being extra hairy, and looking somewhere between cute and uncanny valley.
realitista@lemmus.org 1 day ago
No we’d come up with something else. We need to gene edit everyone to edit out the tribalism gene and replace it with a “we’re all in this together” gene.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
i read a story when i was a kid … it went something like this
we all draw a circle around ourselves and the people we want to care about. that is our group. different people draw different circles, some draw it very small and only care about ourselves, others care for their family, and other draw an even bigger circle
what i’m wondering is why people draw circles of a specific size. i.e. what causes it that people care about the 300 people in their environment, but not about the other 10 billion people on earth?
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 day ago
Race is just one tool the parasite class uses...
There is gender and ethnicity and religion...
Possibilities are endless!
jaemo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Lol wot. You think we wouldn’t get all caste system in this piece son?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Greed everywhere is the real problem. The rich are just successful in their greed.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Humans never evolved past tribes.
Jhex@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
nah… equally looking people, indistinguishble from each other, have managed levels of hate high enough to attemp genocide
lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
Right. Like, can you imagine what society would be like if we let bald people vote? /s
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
That demon odd left handed!!!