We are all the human race
If everyone spontaneously became the same race the world would realize that the rich are the real problem
Submitted 8 months ago by FenrirIII@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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grandel@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
abekonge@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Uh we are the same race. There do not exist multiple human races in any biological sense. So what would happen is what is happening now. en.wikipedia.org/…/Race_(human_categorization)?wp…
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Where people draw racial lines is arbitrary. I guess it is largely defined by skin colour and culture
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 8 months ago
Virtually all racism boils down to colorism
sulgoth@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t forget that people hated the Irish too. Color ain’t the only reason.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Damned good question! Without a visible “other” to point at we’d at least be a long step closer to seeing the real enemy.
To everyone speculating that we’d find other ways to break into tribes, how does it look in racially/ethnically homogeneous countries? I’m American so I only know what I read online.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 8 months ago
Tell me you don't know what the nazies did in Eastern Europe without telling me you don't what the nazies did in Eastern Europe. Or how the Irish were considered in the USA, or the italians...
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 months ago
Race is just one tool the parasite class uses...
There is gender and ethnicity and religion...
Possibilities are endless!
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Stupid.
Crampi@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
This would happen www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIcsk2ZoaTY&t=15
tisktisk@piefed.social 8 months ago
You... You really think we wouldn't find some other trivial differences to get overly tribal over?
Maeve@kbin.earth 8 months ago
Yes, I remember this conversation with a parent when I was in my 20s. They reminded me of clan and tribal wars.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
See also: The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K Le Guin.
realitista@lemmus.org 8 months ago
No we’d come up with something else. We need to gene edit everyone to edit out the tribalism gene and replace it with a “we’re all in this together” gene.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
i read a story when i was a kid … it went something like this
we all draw a circle around ourselves and the people we want to care about. that is our group. different people draw different circles, some draw it very small and only care about ourselves, others care for their family, and other draw an even bigger circle
what i’m wondering is why people draw circles of a specific size. i.e. what causes it that people care about the 300 people in their environment, but not about the other 10 billion people on earth?
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No, we’d simply find some other difference to get divided on.
psoul@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly. This is why people say race is a construct.
If we all became the same race then some self labeled ingroup would construct (i.e. create) new criteria to label others as an outgroup eventually creating new races.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Phen@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
And people would also track down and document what race people used to be before the change happened so that they could keep on hating too.
4grams@awful.systems 8 months ago
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 months ago
Or people would simply be divided over what race they used to be.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
After a few generations, they’d start to forget
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Having lived in a majority white city where they divided themselves between countries of origin, this would happen.
Until a large Hispanic influx northeast PA had Italian sections, Irish sections, Lithuanian sections, Polish sections, etc. When my ex’s grandmother met me she asked me “what are you?” despite us both being white.
plyth@feddit.org 8 months ago
She was old enough to remember that none of those origins was considered white.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
In the show All In The Family, Archie isn’t just bigoted against non-caucasians; he’s bigoted against the polish, Irish, Italians, etc… He’s less bigoted against those groups than he is against non-whites, but still bigoted. He’s also bigoted against catholics
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’d be regions/land-based, probably. “Southern pride,” etc…just without the racism. Fuck those star-bellied sneeches across the river.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And I hear those damn Zooks eat their bread with the buttered side down.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Glad that you brought up the Sneeches!
ceenote@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I vote we use wealth.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Unfortunately it’s the wealthy people who decide.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
Race isn’t really important to anyone but americans? There is racism everywhere, obviously, but race itself isn’t important.
Fondots@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Kind of depends on how you define “race” (it’s pretty much scientifically meaningless, so define it however the hell you like)
But we have several currently ongoing attempts at genocide happening around the world, that to me tells me that a hell of a lot of people out there care a whole lot about race.
American racism is particularly odd to me due to how broadly we categorize race, trying to lump people into a black/white/Hispanic/Asian/etc. category based on not much more than skin color. And we’re also unusuallly open about the fact that racism is a thing here. A lot of the world kind of keeps it more on the down-low.
But if you go with narrower definitions of race, you’ll see the same kind of things happening around the world as in America. I’ve seen people from the UK talk about Polish immigrants in much the same way people here talk about Mexicans, and that’s not even going into the cluster fuck of how much of Europe treats Romani people. A whole lot of people in Asian countries have issues with other people from other Asian countries, or even different ethnic groups within their own countries (like Uyghurs in china.) Parts of Africa are patchworks of different ethnic groups that are often at each other’s throats, and of course South Africa is still a long way from having its shit fully sorted out. A lot of white Australians have pretty significant biases against Aboriginal people.
I could go on.
nesc@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
In my understanding term race always comes to phenotype. For me difference is ethnicity is considerably less important then nationality. There is casual racism of course, but people judge you mostly not because you look like southern european, but because you are greek for example.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nah. I’ve read online Europeans bashing every other sort of European, and they’re mostly white. Often in jest, often in “Fuck the Gypsies!” Or the Greeks, or the Muslims, or what have you.
The US is quickly closing on on 50% white, 50% everyone else. Meanwhile, in Europe. So yeah, maybe we talk race too much, or use it as a shorthand too casually, but that doesn’t automatically mean hate or exclusion. We just have big groups of races, ethnicities, whatever.
Not going to hear about America’s racism when Europe is solid white. In other words, why would they complain about black people, or any other major ethnicity, when they don’t have any?
As to other countries, I gather Japan is as racist as human culture gets. Australians are racist with the aborigines. Africans are racist against other African tribal groups. China is destroying the Uyghurs. I know jack about South America, but I got most of the rest of us in there! Not parroting the meme, but Canadians seem pretty nice. Oh, we go insane on each other in Antarctica. :)
Any of that make sense? Feels a bit rambly.
Jarix@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Canada isn’t any better than many colonial nations in regards to native populations.
Look up Canada residential schools if you want to know more about how badly Canada treated people in recent history
nesc@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
That’s the point for you everything is race, we hate our neighbours thirty kilometers away not because they are white or black, but becuase they are savage and barely even count as humans. 🙃
Greeks and turks aren’t different race (or different anything, really), they are historical enemies and subscribe ro different religions.
Point is, nobody but americans (as far as random conversations on the internet go) think in races or whatever, people don’t hate gypsies because they look like gypsies, but because who they are and what they represent for people that hate them.
Even your statistics is always points out which race does whatever and low-key always imply that latino (whatever the term means) isn’t really white.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
(can’t edit my posts)
Damn. Forgot India. Caste system, all I need to say. Not so sure about Pakistan, Afghanistan, that whole area. South East Asia? No clue, but they seem pretty homogeneous in the smaller nation states, though I gather they’re none of them fans of the Japanese. And I’m sure that sentiment is reciprocated. :)
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
There is only the human race. Any differences in appearance is less that a % of genetic difference.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There’s no logical difference, but there’s all the emotional difference in the world. We evolved to be suspicious of that tribe over on the other mountain. And well we should have been! They might just come over and slaughter us for our women and land.
Besides, we didn’t evolve to operate in groups larger than about 150. Past that, other people become objects in our minds. We can’t be truly close to more than that many people. What is the Monkeysphere? ( <- solid article on all this)
It’s why I understand the immigrant hate. Earth’s population has more than doubled in my lifetime. “Who ARE all these people and why are they from another tribe?! It was already crowded!”
Only way we get over the hate ironically consists of two seemingly opposed plans:
- We need less people, or at least spread 'em out. Mammals get freaky when crowded.
- Get different sorts of people mixed up. People hate the idea of immigrants, “Meh, the ones I know are great people. It’s those others who are bad guys.”
We’ll get there. There have been massive strides in my lifetime alone.
Maeve@kbin.earth 8 months ago
We'll get there. There have been massive strides in my lifetime alone.
If we don't extinct ourselves and a bunch of other species, first. Maybe. The current race toward devolution gives me pause to doubt, however.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
There’s no logical difference?
My particular health risks would beg to differ.
There’s differences, but basiing your ooi ion of someone on their race (bigotry and racism) is “philistine, backward thinking”.
cattywampas@midwest.social 8 months ago
Fun fact, there is more genetic variation within Africa than there is in the rest of the world combined. This is because only a small lineage of humans ended up migrating out of Africa.
Peasley@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Our modern concept of race was invented in 1684 by this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Bernier?wprov=sfla…
It’s been utter bullshit from the start
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I'm ngl he looks exactly like what I expected.
thoon@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Of course he was fr*nch
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 months ago
"Our"
I've ever only seen Americans and random racists use the term that way. Most of us agree that we're one race.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Lol wot. You think we wouldn’t get all caste system in this piece son?