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Microsoft admits it would have to let Trump spy on EU data if demanded

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https://www.techradar.com/pro/microsoft-admits-it-would-have-to-let-trump-spy-on-eu-data-if-demanded

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  • ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Why are there no major competitors outside the USA? Is there no “Silicon Valley” in the EU?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can EU please make an open source phone?

    We have linux for computers, but we need a “linux” for phones (yes I know Android uses Linux Kernel, I’m talking about like a Libre Non-Google OS)

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I’m holding my breath for the pinephone to be ready for primetime. I check in on it every so often to see what the current buzz is.

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    • bigmamoth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      U have several fork of android some are great. The issue is I need google service for a lot of proprietary app like uber, banking app etc. Linux phone exist but without an appstore it s useless

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  • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So how are American companies any different then Chinese? Everyone always says Chinese companies have to listen to their government. Never got how American companies would be any different.

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    • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re not different at all - the CLOUD Act (2018) and FISA courts already gave the US govt near-complete access to American tech companies’ data regarldess of where it’s physically stored, we just don’t talk about it as much as we do with China.

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    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Until this abomination of a law, the US was different. But the GOP is quickly adopting every fascist idea they come across.

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      • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Until this abomination of a law, the US was different.

        Press X to doubt.

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      • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No they werent lmfaooo

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      • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Until this abomination of a law

        The “patriot” act would like to have a word with you…

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      • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Is this still earth 50? Because Luthor is still president (with an orange tan and a toupé).

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  • Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If the EU doesn't combine forces to get out of this tech-dependency, than what do we have the EU for? I am a big fan the EU, it's doing many things for us already, but I'm really hoping we can work our way out of this together, and I hope we choose the FOSS-route so that we significantly help the world forward

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    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think our problem is a mix of corruption and tech illiteracy in the European parliament. People are either too deep in the pockets of silicon valley, or they are lazy fucks who don’t understand anything about computers and are unwilling to learn, so they keep believing “Windows is easier”.

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  • zebidiah@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP, LETS GOOOOOOOO!

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have been saying this for more than a decade. Shit like this is why privacy laws and stuff regarding warrants and other stuff need to be expanded to private entities as much, if not more so, than government agencies. In the past the idea of a company having that much access to people’s information was unthinkable, and in almost everyone’s mind it was governments we needed to be worried about.

    But that hasn’t been true since the 90s at least with credit cards being used for most stuff and internet purchases being the norm for almost everything.

    Governments in the past needed something to ask for permission to look into you… but companies never did, and since the only thing governments need to do is either buy it or ask nicely it makes many protections kinda moot. The fact that many countries want a strict surveillance state over everyone means even the classic protections we had for a brief while are disappearing, too.

    If there ever is a 2nd enlightenment with protections for people it needs to make the stuff written in the 18th and 19th century look like children’s toys in comparison.

    If you say ‘but what about terrorism and bad people?’ Look around you. They still exist and still rarely get caught unless they fuck up badly. Most of the time it still due to informants and people talking to authorities. In the US the murder rate resolution is only 50% (and that is just arrested and charged, not convicted) and this is because there is a massive distrust of the police. In other countries people are more likely to assist the police and/or they take their jobs far more seriously in terms of forensics… and on top of that they usually have a far lower murder rate which allows more time and resources to be funneled into solving major crimes.

    Better to let 100 guilty men go than 1 innocent person convicted is the usual motto, but they don’t believe that in practice. In reality they are very much kill them all and let God sort out his own. And we can’t keep allowing that shit to happen.

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  • TomMasz@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There's no telling if that hasn't already happened. Europe needs to drop Microsoft ASAP.

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    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Microsoft said this, but this likely applies to AWS and GCP too.

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      • Gumus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Check out Hetzner, a German cloud provider. Established, reliable and way cheaper than AWS.

        I know migrating is nigh impossible for most large apps, but creating a new one on AWS/GCP/Azure is so shortsighted.

        More people need to know about alternatives.

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      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And OCI. Any US based company is subject to the CLOUD act.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Europe Everyone needs to drop Microsoft ASAP

      FTFY

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    • lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Canada, too. For the last two years, Canada has entrusted sensitive statistical information to Microsoft. We should be treating MS with the same skepticism we currently reserve for Huawei.

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    • comador@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Germany and a handful of other countries have been moving to Linux over the past decade. Betting the rate of uptick speeds up now though.

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Then those EU firms should immediately make getting out of anything and everything Microsoft. As a US citizen, all our government and companies understand is personal profit and personal data hording. So make it hurt where they will feel it.

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  • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anyone wonder where your country’s health records about all their citizens are stored? I’m guessing it’s all on either MS, AWS, or Google. That means Trump could get access to your medical history.

    This is important because of his attacks on LGBTQ people, vaccines, autism, and who knows what other nonsense he wants to persecute.

    And here in Canada the Liberal government is putting forth bill C-2, which opens up even more access to the US to get even records stored in Canada by Canadian companies.

    eff.org/…/canadas-bill-c-2-opens-floodgates-us-su…

    Feel safe yet?

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    • Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am from the Netherlands and work at a hospital, we exclusively use Microsoft software.

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      • Damage@feddit.it ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Here in Italy all family doctors use Gmail for safety data regularly

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    • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In the case of Germany: confidential computing tech ensures all data is encrypted in storage and in memory, shielded even against data center employees / hosting providers. I imagine that’s become the standard for most countries.

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      • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hmm. Policies might say so. Not every business follow policies, whether they are their own or imposed ones, though. Business going all “it’s ok, our provider have the correct certifications for data handling” are definitely a thing.

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    • lemonskate@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Only if they aren’t using customer provided encryption keys (is using blob/bucket storage) or an equivalent approach to encryption at rest, and make sure they’re doing standard TLS for encryption in flight.

      It’s absolutely possible, and standard for any decent organization, to build their cloud architectures to fully account for the cloud provider potentially accessing your data without authorization. I’ve personally had such design conversations multiple times.

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      • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It is possible. The question is, is it done often, and is it done on hardware you can trust. I’m somewhat confident if I run my services on bare metal, the provider would have a hard time getting my encryption keys, although it’s not impossible even in this situation. How many people do so with VPS and managed instances, where snooping around the runtime and exfiltrating data unbeknownst to the user is trivial?

        Also, beyond that, how many fall for the convenience of things like SSE, whether it’s with customer provided keys or not? That should be a red flag, but people find it oh so convenient.

        We’re bound to see stuff bubble out where “we did all the right things” boils down to clicking a checkbox in some web UI and be done with it in the future.

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  • LordGarmadon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Suprised Pikachu

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  • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s weird that this was something that Microsoft would have to admit, considering “The CLOUD Act” has made this mandatory for all US based companies anywhere they operate in the world. This has been a law since 2018.

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  • appropriateghost@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    lol any EU bureaucrat who thinks otherwise is either a useful idiot or themselves compromised?

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  • pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well some of those countries are part of 5 eyes, 9 eyes, and 14 eyes

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  • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean. They’re a USA company. Of course they would be required to follow the laws of the country in which they HQ. Did anyone think anything different?

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    • trismegistos@infosec.pub ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This ist what data sovereignty is for.

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    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well pretty sure local laws here say that certain data should stay within the countries borders (like data from accounting firms) so I hope they also encrypted everything to prevent this carrot from accessing it.

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      • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s encrypted, I’m sure. But I highly doubt it’s e2ee. It’s likely as the eula alludes to (end to server to end). So… accessible by MS.

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  • MetalMachine@feddit.nl ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How much you wanna bet they already do and have been doing for years? They already spy on the rest of us, why is this any different?

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    • Patches@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Years

      Bruv, the United States government could get any information they wanted if it was stored on US Soil since the dawn of the US. The only thing stopping them was effort.

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  • emax_gomax@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I thought gdpr forced companies to store data securely in the eu. Are they saying they’ll transfer that data to the us to give Trump access, cause that’s a gdpr violation and should result in fines and eventual removal from the eu market.

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    • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The CLOUD act and GDPR do indeed not work together.

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    • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The first sentence and the first paragraph of the article:

      even if that data is stored overseas

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s still on their servers. They just give government access to data.

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There are provisions. I don’t remember the exact name of it, but basically, the US says “yah, these business are legit ok, you see?” and the EU is like “oh, ok, deal”. This includes the big providers and a handful of others, obviously.

      And yes, it is a farce.

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    • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and should result in fines

      Hahaha should

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  • Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So we all agree that “if demanded” ANYONE’S data can be spied on. Doesn’t matter where.

    At least it’s finally admitted to out in the open.

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  • comador@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Does this also mean Microsoft would allow China to spy on the US if asked?

    Reference: arstechnica.com/…/microsoft-to-stop-using-china-b…

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      My assumption for many years now has been that the answer to any question involving MS giving access to your data is “yes.”

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  • Geodad@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Of course they would. That’s why I quit using their software.

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  • einkorn@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How is that news? The CLOUD Act is law since 2018.

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m guessing the admits part.

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      • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Continuing to do business in the US after the CLOUD act already implied enough.

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      • uranibaba@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Didn’t Microsoft say not too long ago not to worry, because they didn’t have to give access to data?

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  • kleingartenganove@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    As an EU citizen, I don’t find the idea of the US government having access to my data nearly as frightening as the idea of my own government getting into my accounts.

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    • Ste41th@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What f the US decided to share info in the data on your accounts to your government?

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      • Grass@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        isn’t this part of how the [insert number] eyes works?

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  • redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    well… there is self-hosting too

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  • lennee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    suck my arch btw

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  • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No one is safe anywhere…

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  • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    we’d just cancel their trademark then

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  • pfizer_dose@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And I’m assuming anywhere else that microsoft operates (the entire world) would be the same too, no? I don’t know why this rhetoric would be specific to the EU.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It was the same for Biden, why did no-one care then?

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    • Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I wondered the same thing. That cloud act went into effect in 2018. Haven’t seen anyone try to change it in the last 6 years

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Goodbye!

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      • semperverus@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Listen, I’m extremely anti-trump but the guy has a point. Evil things can be evil regardless of who is in charge, but we only seem to care when the narrative shifts in certain directions. Why didn’t we care about this back then?

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  • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I trust Microsoft.

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    • octopus_ink@slrpnk.net ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

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