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Exclusive: Evidence of cell phone surveillance detected at anti-ICE protest
Submitted 1 day ago by Domino@quokk.au to technology@lemmy.world
https://san.com/cc/exclusive-evidence-of-cell-phone-surveillance-detected-at-anti-ice-protest/
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Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
MBech@feddit.dk 4 hours ago
No fucking way! I’m gonna need about 100 articles about that, all explaining the exact same thing, but slightly too dumbed down to the point that it doesn’t actually tell me anything.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Even though most of the comments here point out the obvious that phones are a risk, this kind of journalism is still important for spreading awareness and documentation of illegal surveillance for the record
kautau@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah lemmy is mostly a left echo chamber, which is generally a net positive. But someone like my cousin who still gets their news from Facebook but might want to protest now they are thinking about their views would benefit from this journalism
Soggy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Eh, it’s a center-left chamber at best. As evidenced by the extreme reaction to the far-left echo chambers.
Tracaine@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean…is that not assumed to be the default? Feel phone surveillance is pretty much just business as usual in this country is it not?
roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is illegal without a warrant. And judges have been denying broad sweeping warrants that would cover such situations.
Pulsar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We are in different times. This administration doesn’t care about warrants.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 day ago
pardon me, sir, but this is illegal withou-
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hey! Uncuff me! This is illegal!
car door shuts
Hey! Let me out of this car!
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Where are we going!? You can’t take me to jail!
arrives at jail
Can
Will
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Relying on the rule of law is reactive.
Ditching the phone is proactive.
Be Proactive.
micka190@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pretty sure this kind of thing has been illegal since before Edward Snowden became a whistleblower, tbh. The US Government hasn’t cared about people’s privacy and the laws surrounding it for decades.
lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s endearing that you think that even matters anymore
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
You’re assuming the ICErs give a shit about warrants, and they often do not.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
once again.
do not take your phone to a protest
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Cory Doctorow wrote a pretty entertaining book on the subject of tech vs politics.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
And if you must, leave it off, ideally in a faraday cage/bag.
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
: takes off face and puts it in faraday cage:
simplejack@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
And if you have to make a call or text, use something encrypted.
Also voice over data sounds better anyway. Traditional phone calls sound like shit. Treat yo self.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 hours ago
And cover your damn face.
KbSez@piefed.social 1 day ago
If you attend a protest, you need to read this and follow it:
Sneptaur@pawb.social 1 day ago
If you’re in Washington as in this article, and need a lawyer after being arrested at a protest, the phone number is 206-OK-TRY-ME
blargh513@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Also: sls.eff.org
Machindo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Good read!
D@piefed.social 1 day ago
A lot of great info, but "If you choose to answer questions, be sure to tell the truth” is a mistake. Remember, anything you say "can and will be used against you." Key word, against. Nothing you tell them will be used to help you. Remain silent.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
So basically, one could go to ICE protest and troll with fake conversations about attack points and watch them scatter to control nonexistent issues.
modus@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
“Free Donuts, corner of 12th & Main. Tell no one.”
Snowclone@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
better be VERY coded language that a jury would agree is innocent in nature and intent.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 8 hours ago
Brave to think this will go before a jury.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
might be better to have a bunch of gibberish with a few named places.
They might think it’s code and deploy there, and you’re not actually making a legitimate threat they could come after you for somehow.
Auth@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yes, but they would probably arrest you instead.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Please dont take.your fucking phone to a protest. Buy a burner if you must.
You will be tracked. And spied on. And facial recognitioned. Etc.
lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I honestly thought this was common knowledge but obviously I was wrong. I get the need to video and document but damn. Don’t use your daily driver folks.
dejected_warp_core@piefed.world 1 day ago
Hot take: Let the press document things, and leave the burner-phone stuff to security professionals. The press more or less requires attribution, so let them front that risk. Meanwhile digital anonymity starts at point-of-sale and is not easy for just anyone to pull off. The overwhelming majority of people are just better off just showing up "naked".
LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one 16 hours ago
Amen!
Digital camera + SD card (about $100) and save the little plastic container that came with the SD card in case you have to swallow it.
jim3692@discuss.online 1 day ago
In some countries, like Greece, you can’t use an unregistered phone number.
Since phone numbers are tied to people’s identities, does it really matter whether you use a burner or your main?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Then don’t take a phone. If you’re an organizer who needs to communicate, get a wifi/bt only tablet, look up mesh networks that use bluetooth and wifi, learn encryption and learn code words.
It’s trivial to jam any wireless network. All jamming is it to flood the rf range with loud static. But you can still take measures to keep from being spied on.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
I mean who doesn’t know this cmon
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I am once again recommending idcaboutprivacy
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 20 hours ago
Can you fix the markdown of the second bullet point?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
IMSI catchers. It’s known at least for 10 years now, that they get used on protests in US.
cashsky@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Could AI be used to create a bunch of useless chatter in the airways that they would have to sift through and waste their time? Maybe use AI for actual good.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
IMSI spoofing is a product of wireless telephony being an ancient (way-pre-internet) technology, and we’re long in an era where law enforcement (or in this case law-enforcement coded) investigators don’t have to obey laws, such as assuring due process, and unreasonable searches disqualifying evidence. Instead they’re hunting political enemies, and every prisoner of the United States is now a political prisoner.
It also means we don’t have to obey the law, and can start using all-frequency jammers in and around protests and ICE actions to level the playing field. (It will also interfere with regular infrastructure, but it’s not like ICE or the current regime gives half a fuck about that.
All-frequency jammers are older tech and easier to build than IMSI spoofers, and are highly illegal since so much of our commerce and communications depend on radio. But the current FTC has also been captured and is failing to do its job.
Any Amature Radio enthusiast will know how to make a jammer. And current battery technology would assure you could make a handful that are portable and powerful enough to shut down blocks and blocks of municipal communication.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
It also means we don’t have to obey the law
Not true. Even pre ICE. Law enforcement is allowed to lie to you, but you cannot lie to them. The playing field is not level.
Sawblade02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
From an RF enthusiast,
Wideband jamming will get a lot of attention very quickly and is extremely easy to triangulate with handheld hardware and a couple of hours of training. I’d recommended against doing that.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Yes/no.
The data processing capabilities they have will far FAR outweigh anything you can effectively achieve with AI spam at your scale.
Even if you got thousands to participate, it wouldn’t really be all that much.
Remember, these are agencies already doing data processing on social media, meaning they’re already setup to analyze billions of messages a day.
Texting is so low volume it’s almost comical, and people that are trying to poison the well stand out and become easy to filter.
toast@retrolemmy.com 1 day ago
You probably wouldn’t want to bring a phone to some types of events, but as the number of these events increase, the odds of you just happening to be close to such an event during the course of a normal day might increase. Maybe it’s best if we turn off 2g reception on our phones. No reason to be swept up in warrantless sweeps if not necessary.
maniclucky@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Faraday bags make great stocking stuffers.
toast@retrolemmy.com 1 day ago
The perfect gift. Just remember to look at reviews before you buy and test the ones you have. They do vary a lot in how well they actually work (to the point that some are so useless it would almost have to be intentional)
m3t00@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
if you’ve ever used a radar detector you know, people drive like they are always being watched. not often in my experience. doubt these dolts are real sophisticated. fear is their main weapon.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 3 hours ago
I don’t understand the entire first half of your comment. The only explanation I have for how well received it was would have to be the last two sentences which resonated with people.
Hux@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I wonder if it would be possible to extend the capabilities of the software to triangulate the location of a a Stingray or other false tower with a few more of those devices working in concert in the same area.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Would a burner phone be susceptible to this kind of attack?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 22 hours ago
Yes, but then you get rid of it immediately. Also, don’t activate it or have it on at home or any other place that can be associated with you. Only do so after paying with cash and at the location where you’re going to use it then dispose of it.
cabillaud@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
You will be recorded while paying for the phone. This won’t bring you any anonymity.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Sure but no phone also works.
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Remember to leave your phones at home or turned off completely if you go to a protest
sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Turned off completely isn’t off. You’d need to put it in a Faraday bag
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 19 hours ago
This is one reason why I liked when you could physically remove the battery on phones.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Better yet, give it to a friend who isn’t attending the protest, and have them drive around with the phone. Pull it out and check some sites with it every few minutes, maybe send a few messages.
imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
How does one build a scanner to detect anomalies consistent with IMSI catchers?
asbestos@lemmy.world 1 day ago
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 day ago
I’m surprised it was finally acknowledged. The anamoliess were discovered in March and tested out at several smaller protests before the big ones.
Burner phone, but the power of photography is necessary. Don’t get faces, which isn’t usually too hard as everyone faces a single direction.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I know this sounds crazy in 2025, but you can still buy standalone digital cameras. You can even get discreet devices that record constantly.
phx@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
I think the idea behind a phone with a camera is that your can immediately upload what you’ve got in case some thug with a badge takes your device and smashes it
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 day ago
I probably should have specified that
fum@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Ummm, no shit!?
m3t00@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
yeah pretty much never trust a public wifi without vpn. bring your own router. cell data is pwned. technics aren’t in their curriculums.
zapzap@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Kinda unexpected to see Straight Arrow News doing original reporting.
super_user_do@feddit.it 2 hours ago
and they criticize china for this bruh
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Remember, they were really just admiring them 🫠