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lemm.ee is shutting down at the end of this month

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Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Pro@programming.dev⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://lemm.ee/post/65824884

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  • Vopyr@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sad, my first account was on this instance… although I hardly ever used it.

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  • WorldwideCommunity@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can/How do you Import/Export your comments/replies?

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    • Vopyr@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I know correctly, it is not possible to export posts, comments, replies.

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      • WorldwideCommunity@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Good riddance

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why couldn’t they just leave it be? People can block anyone that they don’t want to see posts from. Is it really that important to have an army of people banning anyone who they disagree with?

    What else do the admin team do other than ban people and remove posts and comments?

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly, the censorship and banning on there was ridiculous.

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    • perestroika@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
      • Not providing a platform for activities that harm society (e.g. scams, disinformation).
      • Not providing a platform for activities that will get you sued or prosecuted (e.g. piracy, child porn).

      On social media, putting the burden of blocking on a million users is naive because:

      • Blocks can be worked around with bots, someone has to actively fight circimvention.
      • Some users don’t have the time to block, simply conclude “this is a hostile environment” and leave.
      • Some users fall for scams / believe the disinfo.

      I have once helped build an anonymous mix network (I2P). I’m also an anarchist. On Lemmy however, support decentralization, defederating from instances that have bad policies or corrupt management, and harsh moderation. Because the operator of a Lemmy instance is fully exposed.

      Experience has shown that total freedom is a suitable policy for apps that support 1-to-1 conversations via short text messages. Everything else invites too much abuse. If it’s public, it will have rules. If it’s totally private, it can have total freedom.

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      • kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Some users don’t have the time to block, simply conclude “this is a hostile environment” and leave.

        This exactly.

        As the anecdote puts it, once you start tolerating Nazis in your bar, it becomes a Nazi bar.

        They poison the space, and the regular folks leave.

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  • pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lemm.ee has been an amazing instance.

    Loved the transparency, mods, community, and lemm.ee is easy to type out and remember

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      wasnt enough to save the instance, they were probably running as a skeleton crew ever since they asked the need ofr admin.

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  • Neuromorph@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah . I just joined last month. So missed all these requests.

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  • Master@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sad day. Lemm.ee was by far my favorite instance and my home. Thanks admins for the hard work.

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    • CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      .ee was my second favorate general instance after .ml I will be very sad to see it go

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        After .ml?

        Then how can you even like lemm.ee and its right-wing mods?

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  • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In this situation, a user on lemm.ee would have to export their settings and create a new account elsewhere, right? Do their comments and post histories get exported too? I joined Lemmy only a month ago; this is the first time seeing an instance go down, so I’d appreciate it if someone here could clarify that.

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do their comments and post histories get exported too?

      No, but if I understand it correctly, they will live on in other servers that were federated at the time they were posted.

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh I didn’t realise that how it worked.

        Doesn’t that mean that the hosting requirements for every instance are just going to become unfeasibly large as time goes on, or do the files get cleared out after a couple of years?

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      • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thank you kindly!

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  • Neuromorph@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How did you attempt to recruit administrator, and why didn’t it work out?

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i heard most of them stepped down, and they did ask for admins months ago, around the time i got reddit banned. im guessing because there was no news it was a bad sign since.

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  • Nelots@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Farewell Lemm.ee, it was a good two years.

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  • Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Damn, it was like the 2/3rd most active instance

    lemmyverse.net to shop around for a new instance

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    • kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      complete tangent: I see lemmy.world is listed there, but anyone knows why .world doesn’t appear on join-lemmy.org’s list of servers?

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      • Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, I noticed that too, but the observer and the explorer show them, so…ok…🧐

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    • aceshigh@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh man I had no idea how popular that instance was. That’s really sad :(((

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      im guessing its due to all the reddit refugees from the purges since janauary, too much too handle all at once.

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The double edged sword of not defederating from other instances is that the worst instaces that most block will use your space to keep shoveling their bullshit to more people.

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    • AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What are the worst instances?

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  • propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh no, they got tired of abusing their power.

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    • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re the problem

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  • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This suuuucks. We need another big, general instance that doesn’t defed everyone. But I get it, being an admin sounds like a lot of work or I would do it lol. Plus I don’t have pace for a server around here. Or do most admins just buy space from the cloud?

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      im guessing competing with something like .world is pretty hard, since world has most of the content and admins, but they apparently blocked alot of communities, most of which sounds illegal or potentially illegal,but piracy is a wierd thing.

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    • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lemmy.zip/post/40323214

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      • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh nice! Thanks!

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    • propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are already instances that exist that aren’t eager to defederate to suit a few complainers.

      They just need users.

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      • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is yours one? I saw other people suggest Lemmy.zip, mander I think is one, and lemdr.oid or something like that.

        The problem is that they tend to be smaller, which means harder to find.

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  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks, admins, your efforts and patience have been greatly appreciated.

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  • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thank you for your hard work! Sorry I was being an ass time to time.

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  • node2527@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for your time. Take care of yourselves.

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Now is a good time to check out PieFed.

    It also has much better mod tools, so it will make life easier for mods

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is there a single instance that allows using apps, other than the api test instance? PieFed is a good idea for desktop, but the mobile website is cumbersome to use.

      I signed up with piefed.au several months ago now, but every time I try, I’m getting error 400 “alpha api not enabled”.

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    • 3dmvr@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What are the issues with python if anyone knows? Is it a bigger issue with scaling up or will it get significantly slower as they add more features? People mention how its bad but they just assume people know why.

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      • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We use Python on the back end of a public-facing website with massive levels of traffic. There are some maintainability issues due to the dynamic nature of the language, duck typing can be tricky for similar reasons, but as long as devs are sensible and test things rigorously, performance is fine, and I’m reasonably sure we’re operating at a scale at least a couple orders of magnitude larger than all Lemmy instances combined. Also, it’s a mature, concise language with excellent libraries, so most non-exotic requirements can be met without too much difficulty.

        People mention how its bad but they just assume people know why.

        They don’t know why. I supect it’s because nothing works right if you do it wrong.

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      • DSTGU@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can assume a roughly 10-100x slowdown on pretty much everything. It also does not feature type safety, so while it is easier to code in it it is also easier to make mistakes. Other than that… Just a simple scripting language

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  • moonlight6205@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was here for just a few days but thanks for providing the service

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  • Monstrosity@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    D:

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  • Pixelemme@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That is sad to hear. Thanks for the all the work admins.

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  • DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What happens to the communities there? Is there a way for them to automatically migrate to another instance?

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    • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=t…

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    • eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You have to migrate your community to a new instance, and notify the users about its new location. Old content from lemm.ee will remain accessible.

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    • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The content will still be visible on other instances that were federated, according to their post.

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  • UnearthedUnusual@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have mostly just lurked here and wanted to come out of my shell to say thank you, admins, for all your hard work on this instance. You did a great job running this instance and I’ll miss being the goblin hiding in the corner here.

    Best of luck with your next endeavors.

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re in Lemmy.world but I’m sure they got the message.

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  • Altomes@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks for all your work, you ran a great instance and I appreciate all the effort you put into it

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and if you think there was, why were the admins burnt out?

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    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey Realtalk you ought to fuck right off

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      • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s a pleasant idea: best ways on going about that?

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      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        hey, real talk. if the users weren’t so obnoxious maybe the admins wouldn’t be burnt-the-fuck-out…

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  • Owljfien@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oof owie, my instance

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  • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sad to hear this. I liked the people I’ve met from lemm.ee and the hands-off approach to defederation that the instance had.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      double edged sword unfortunately. this allows ml and hexbear to infest the instance with thier users.

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  • async_amuro@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s depressing news, but I get it.

    Any suggestions on alternative instances?

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    • Intempesta@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The original lemmy.ml

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      • eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unfortunately, I had to move my community from there after some admin started interfering with the content.

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    • cole@lemdro.id ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I started lemdro.id and we’ve got a couple other folks as admins too. Not too large an instance, but imo we have a similar philosophy to lemm.ee (although community creation is not enabled by default for users)

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      • futatorius@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Can you think of any reason I’m not receiving a confirmation email when I register there?

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      lemmy.zip would be my recommendation.

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      • eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Interesting. What do you like about it?

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shiiiit. What’s the easiest way to migrate all my communities quickly???

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    • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Consider moving them to PieFed

      It has powerful mod features that Lemmy does not

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      • Sandbar_Trekker@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I really like the “Feeds” feature of PieFed, it allows anyone to combine all of the different communities into a single feed. It really makes browsing something like “Technology” a lot better.

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      • mac@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are Lemmy apps compatible with piefed instances?

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    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Go to your settings, and axroll down. Theres an export to json option. Just save it, and then you can imprt that file in your new account. Super easy.

      Figuring out where to go is a little harder though.

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      • OrganicMeatbag@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Only bad thing is it doesn’t migrate your posts and comments. Thankfully it does migrate your saved posts!

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      • Altomes@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just switched and it was buttery smooth

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      • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh wow I didn’t realize that settings export included communities. That’s great.

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