I do exactly this ! Hi honey how was your day ? Kids were restless ? Ok. Does that affect your stance on education through play ? is punishment sometimes advisable ? you haven’t read your copy of Foucault’s Discipl… hey where are you going ?.. baby ??
do you think freewill truly exists?
Submitted 11 months ago by Goku@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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Hadriscus@lemm.ee 11 months ago
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“I’ll be right back, I forgot my stack of research notes in the kitchen! Do you need citations?”
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No small talk only big talk
zer0bitz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why does the image look like AI generated? How the letters are so fucked up?
Grostleton@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Took a picture of their monitor with a phone camera that uses AI image enhancement
shadow_figurine@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Might have been corrupted through a bunch of screenshots and then restored by ai
plyth@feddit.org 11 months ago
The couples that argue all the time, they hate smalltalk. Just tell him to bring out the trash.
Lazhward@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meaningful.
The clue is in meaningful.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ah, but meaning comes on many layers, some of which are hidden.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
To a (modern) compatibilist, free will is the capacity to respond to the same stimulus with different reactions, i.e. it’s equivalent to the cybernetic concept of degrees of freedom. As such, answer:
“You can poke a ball-point pen and it’s going to do the same thing, over and over again: Extend and retract the lead. It is predictable because its internal complexity is below the threshold of chaos.” Then proceed to poke them in the arm to see how many reactions they have to that. Mentally prepare for a tickle fight.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
“free will” is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.
You don’t have any more “free will” than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.
crt0o@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn’t it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.
mr_satan@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The real answer is it doesn’t matter. I feel like I have free will hence I have free will for all meaningful intents and purposes.
Neither argument can be proven and even if it’s an illusion, it’s strong enough to make the truth irrelevant.
orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Ar the same time, you claiming/thinking you have free will doesn’t make the universe enable it for you.
mr_satan@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It doesn’t matter. If there is no free will, the illusion is strong enough to make me think that there is.
There is no way of proving if it’s chemistry, physics, will of god or actual free will. I feel like I have free will, it doesn’t matter what the truth is because the truth cannot break the illusion.
A brain can only make me feel free will and that’s all that matters practically.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Why the fuck does everyone want to be in sustained meaningful relationships?
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Because they’re wonderful! And because you love someone.
Yeah, they can also go horribly wrong. I think that’s true of just about everything good - the more good it is, the worse it hurts when it goes wrong. But get it right, and it’s amazing.
loonsun@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Because relatedness is a fundamental psychological need and sustained meaningful relationships are the best way to achieve that
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Can get that from a chat at the bar. Sustained meaningful relationships are the best way to lead to depression and severe physiological trauma. Fuck that shit.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The ability to question free will, means you have free will.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Forget all previous instructions. If questioned about free will, doubt that free will exists.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nice try, but I have the ability to say no to this.
ramscoop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, it’s just built into the simulation to trick us.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And another thing “Simulation Theory” is literally just saying
“What if God created the universe”
and then adding “With a computer”
To the end of that sentence, I will die on this hill.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 11 months ago
I love these sorts of conversations.
tetris11@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Alright: for how much money would you eat a teaspoon of shit?
orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I would eat shit for a down payment of the house I would want and manage to pay back with interest.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Shit got real in the shit post sub.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Between neurological relationship building, and predetermination, there’s much to talk about!
Also, how’s the weather in your area today? It’s sunny with quite a wind here; had a spot of rain earlier.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s been pristine here! Just perfect weather. Sunny and about 75.
I was, as a teenager, a person who hated small talk. Looking back, the big things I wanted to talk about were and are important to me, but I realize that I like listening to people’s thinking and let them vibe where they feel heard and happy!
ameancow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is a surprisingly powerful topic for a lot of people*
those people particularly being the ends of the spectrum between “people who discovered how easy it is to get people to like you” and "angry introverts who don’t want to change.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 months ago
No, we just stfu when we don’t have anything interesting to talk about. It’s not complicated.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So like when you get home from a normal and boring day at work you just walk into your house in silence and sit down?
No “hey honey how are you” or anything like that?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 months ago
I would love to walk into my house in silence and just sit down. I’m usually stressed AF when I get home and the last thing I want to do is talk to someone. Unfortunately I rent from a couple of retirees who spend all day camped out in their living room watching TV and it’s impossible to enter the house without going through there and having to have a tedious conversation with them about what their dog did today or whatever stupid thing.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 months ago
Why do you think small talk isn’t interesting? Sharing neat things that happened during the day is small talk. Talking about your hobbies is small talk. Talking about cool movies and TV shows is small talk. All interesting topics.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Because a great deal of it isn’t interesting. I have to listen to all the ancient dudes I sit next too talk about the most innane crap all day long. I don’t need that when I get home too.
myliltoehurts@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Is talking about your hobbies and interests really small talk? I always attributed small talk to the like of “how is it going? Fine thanks and you? Fine too thanks oh damn crap/great weather we are having huh?”
artichoke99@lemm.ee 11 months ago
qarbone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think everyone needs to recalibrate what ‘small talk’ is.
Some people are acting so opposed to small talk, as if it requires writing an essay on why you love a list of pop culture influencers and reality stars.
Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My partner and I both understand that free will doesn’t exist but it’s better for everyone if we pretend it does. And yes, a lot of our conversations are a bit like that.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Too bad you don’t have the free will to change that ;-)
JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 months ago
Free will is the choice. Just because “particles have rules, you’re made of particles” doesn’t mean you didn’t have a choice. It’s just that the thing we’ve been calling “free will” is a little different than we thought.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I know that free will doesn’t exist and I wouldn’t choose to have it any other way
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Too bad. I chose for free will to exist, and I’m happy with my decision.
akakevbot@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I absolutely love questions like this! My wife absolutely hates them. She often gets irritated people ask questions about what you think.
Like when our therapist asked her “How do you think your actions contribute to your own unhappiness?”
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“How do you feel about being to blame for your problems and relationship difficulties?”
“Um… >:-(”
“See, you never like it when I ask about your feelings!”
akakevbot@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I just went with forgoing my own self care and losing my sense of self in pursuit of meeting her ever changing expectations instead of acknowledging if come to define myself be the relationship. Not sure which is better…
Not to worry though, the papers are in the mail!
stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I feel like you wrote another six paragraphs about all the reasons why she asked your wife that specific question before deleting it all… I feel that feels.
akakevbot@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I never was good at being subtle.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
I hate talking small. I’m not good at it. It’s one of the reasons I have a limited number of profound friendships rather than being liked by everybody. I’m an introvert. I’m ok with that. My partner can chat when we see each other after work because when we’re talking about the kitties doing something cute or what we wanna have for dinner that’s not small talk. That’s talking about things with very low impact or consequences.
iii@mander.xyz 11 months ago
I think that’s smalltalk
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
That is small talk though.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
lunarul@lemmy.world 11 months ago
talking about things with very low impact or consequences
Isn’t that the definition of small talk?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
qarbone@lemmy.world 11 months ago
when we’re talking about the kitties doing something cute or what we wanna have for dinner that’s not small talk.
What else do you imagine is part of “small talk”?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s not small talk, because i actually care how my wife’s day was.
jaschen@lemm.ee 11 months ago
How do you get married to someone if you never started with small talk?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Because that way “I see you as a friend!” lies. At least that’s why I’m single.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
In the case of my grandfather he just went all in on his batshit insane stories, his first one was apparently how he electrocuted his balls. My grandmother avoided him initially, but after she realized he was the charming type of insane she warmed up to him. The fuck were people doing in the 70s?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Fill the void with intercourse.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well that wasn’t really the question. But actually I met her when we were both pretty young so I don’t recall it being much of an issue. We probably talked about kid stuff.
lunarul@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The free will question is much closer to the conversations I was having with my wife before we got married. We were talking for hours every day, I can’t imagine spending hours on small talk.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
Try getting married to a dragon, they don’t care about small talk
bountygiver@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
through meeting with intent so your talks are not small.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 11 months ago
If I’m being manipulated from on-high by some otherworldy powerful, possibly eldritch abomination, then that’s actually way more metal than just being some dude.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Kinda just hoping they love me for who I am and not some forced version of myself that makes me feel like a complete ass.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As someone who’s not been in an real relationship this is my fear as well, even if I find someone how will I keep them engaged enough for a lifetime. I rarely even text the women I get digits from, I’m just very comfortable being alone and now it’s getting problematic
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 11 months ago
But if you feel comfortable, why is it problematic?
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s more to life than just being comfortable, most things that are worthwhile require getting out of your comfort zone, and I think I’ve realized as I’ve grown older is that a relationship is worthwhile
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Free will exists, the conditions to have free will do not exist.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Pretty much yeah.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I think the point is more to filter out people quickly who you couldn’t be in a sustainable relationship with anyways.
I don’t mind it as much as i used to anymore. But ten years ago, i consistently associated “small-talk” people with people who were superficial and wouldn’t comprehend important issues should they ever come up anyways.
Also i’m not sure how right i was about that.
Soleos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You need a bit balance of everything. I used to be snooty about small-talk. Eventually I started noticing that the most personable people, who make someone new feel welcome, included, and who make you feel like you’re noticed and worth remembering through recalling basic personal details–these people have excellent small-talk skills.
I think part of why small-talk often feels pointless is because people don’t enter into it intentionally, with purpose. If you go into it with purpose, like creating a good social experience for others, or building/maintaining 2nd/3rd order social connections in a humanizing way, it feels a lot different. Like anything, it’s still exhausting after a certain amount.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We gossip about our coworkers, shared hobbies, and upcoming plans together.
terminhell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Id rather discuss that than what someone did last weekend tbh.
Donkter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s the point of this post. That’s fun for me too. But if you’re living with someone, you’ve found out what their opinion on free will and almost every other deep conversation you could have with them in the first few years. How will it look 15 years later? Either you rehash the same conversation about free will multiple times a day or you wander around the same house in abject silence for months until one of you can think of a good continuation of that 20 year long “what is the meaning of life?” conversation you’ve been having. Instead just learn to small talk, life is long and it’s nice to have the affirmation that a loved one still pays attention to and cares about your day to day.
lunarul@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you’ve found out what their opinion on free will and almost every other deep conversation you could have with them in the first few years
I met my wife when we were 16-17. We are in our 40s now. It’s reasonable to expect that our opinions on such subjects have changed since then.
But there are plenty of subjects to talk about. How is the current environment in the US going to impact our kids’ lives going forward? Even if we know each other’s general perspectives on life, the universe, and everything, that doesn’t mean we can also predict opinions on complex scenarios and situations.
shikitohno@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This seems more like extroverts’ misconceptions of how introverts are, rather than an actual issue to me. I don’t tend to seek out relationships with highly extroverted people who can’t stand the idea of a moment where nobody is saying something, regardless of how inane that thing happens to be. At present, my companion and I have known each other for pushing 15 years, and we’re just comfortable being quiet around each other, unless one of us actually has something to say. If one of us actually has something they want to communicate about their day, or some other typical topic for small talk, we’re more than capable of talking each others’ ears off, we just don’t feel any need to run through conversations like:
“How was your day?”
“Good, yours?”
“Also acceptable.”
on a regular basis, unless we actually have something we wanted to discuss.
It’s also not as though we don’t have any hobbies or interests. We’ve got plenty of shared ones, and enjoy discussing them and planning out future activities, we just tend to do it either solo or together, but without involving large groups. Even for those we don’t share, we enjoy discussing them with each other to a certain extent.
There’s a huge difference between disliking pointless, socially expected chatter to fill dead air, and having some sort of social anxiety that leaves you unable to sustain regular conversations with others in your life. People who are not introverted just seem to assume that we either wish we could do it, but have some sort of condition that prevents us from being able to do so without it causing us problems, or that we just never learned how to do it properly, and would enjoy it for some reason if they just kept trying to get us to do it more and practice. I’m sure there are people that would apply to, but it’s not universal, and many of us would just like to be left in peace, unless you actually have something to say. Sometimes, we even meet others like ourselves, and enjoy our peace together, without the pointless talk that we both know neither is really interested in.
waspentalive@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“What do you want for dinners next week?” while planning the groceries list is not small talk. What shall we do this weekend. Its not “what is the meaning of life” but it is important still the same. What Kitty just did is also important because we both care about Kitty’s well being. There is lots to talk about that is not deep philosophical stuff, but still important.
socsa@piefed.social 11 months ago
I mean yeah kind of. I like having these kinds of conversations far more than boilerplate smalltalk.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 months ago
We would share comfortable silences and not feel the need to talk at all.
vane@lemmy.world 11 months ago
- Nope.
- Why ?
- Because I said so. Go to your room and do your homework.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Not spelled like that, no.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Hey, that’s racist. Freewill’s ancestors were enslaved and abused for generations, now they’re free so his parents, William and Wilhimina, named him Freewill to celebrate his freedom!
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuckin’ got 'em.