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VMware perpetual license holders receive cease-and-desist letters from Broadcom
Submitted 1 year ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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nobleshift@lemmy.world 1 year ago
scarilog@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Very surprised that this is the only comment in this thread mentioning Nutanix.
MetalMachine@feddit.nl 1 year ago
The not owning anything is ridiculous. We need clear regulation that makes it so companies cant do bullcrap like this. If I buy something, I own it, period.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
100% agreed.
Here’s a relevant Louis Rossmann video where a US Senator (Ron Wyden) officially asked the FTC to look into this. I sincerely hope something comes out of this.
Disaster@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
At this point, why would anyone do business with broadcom at all?
frezik@midwest.social 1 year ago
Because they make all the cheap ethernet chips that go on motherboards.
Other than that, can’t think of a good reason.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 year ago
This is why KVM is a good option, or even Hyper-V for Windows hosts.
rpa@europe.pub 1 year ago
There is a KVM equivalent on MacOS, Apple’s Hypervisor virtualization framework.
KVM is just the kernel side, you need QEMU (for example) on userland. On MacOS you have now UTM.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 year ago
I didn’t even know that was a thing. Cool!
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Proxmox is the way to go in businesses right now to replace Vmware
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Our move to XCP-ng Hypervisors with XOA has been a great experience.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would argue for Apache Cloudstack personally.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 year ago
And virt-manager is pretty solid for hobbyist tinkering too.
Doctorzoidy@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I realize there’s all sorts of Microsoft hate out there, mostly justified, but no one has mentioned hyper-v as a replacement for VMware. I’ve got a dozen or so machines running on a single VMware host and after the broadcom buyout decided to swap over, havent pulled the trigger yet as I’m using it to get a new server and wait for our support contract to end.
In the small/medium business space is proxmox a better bet?
scarilog@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m surprised I haven’t seen Nutanix mentioned at all here tbh. Direct competitor to VMware.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Hyper-V could literally suck my dick all day and I still wouldn’t use it if there’s a non-microsoft option that works. Not interested in being the test group for any more of their shit or get rug-pulled at the worst moment.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I haven’t yet set up proxmox, but yeah, I think hyper-V would work well in a small to medium windows shop.
The negatives I found probably don’t apply
- for large installations, it never scaled as well as VMware. We saved millions on licenses when we switched, but had to buy a lot more hardware. In particular we were doing software QA where we needed many VMs but they didn’t need much resources, and hyper-v just couldn’t scale in that direction. More standard use cases probably won’t have this problem, plus this was 4 years ago so I don’t know if anything has changed
- for special case installations, hyper-v was a horrible experience on my laptop. I had the resources, but couldn’t pass through usb devices, and it kept messing up my networking.
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’d say that if you tend to like Microsoft products, then hyper v. If you tend to be annoyed by then but like Linux, then proxmox is great. It manages to be a good blend of approachable with a GUI but also having solid API and cli that didn’t overly abstract things away from the underlying implementation
But if you aren’t really a Linux person, then I’d wager hyper v is the right direction.
serenissi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Give bhyve a try. Especially on illumos host.
rmuk@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Yeah, if you’re used to Microsoft servers and have a Microsoft network it integrates really nicely and is great to manage. Plus, it’s free.
BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Its not free. You need to license the base windows server. They killed the free hyper-v server offering.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Another vote for Hyper-V.
Rugtert@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I had a great experience with hyper-v. 2 nodes running about 60 vms for 7 years.
thejag52@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
From my experience running heavily Hyper-V over the last 15 years, don’t be afraid of it, it’s worth the look. Especially for a single node like you’re talking, no reason not to in my opinion.
Matty_r@programming.dev 1 year ago
Proxmox is definitely on its way to become a viable replacement for sure. There’s also OpenShift from Red Hat which could be worth a look at as well.
jj4211@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Openshift kind of incidentally does virtualization almost begrudgingly. Red hat started to try to be a VMware competitor with ovirt but find VMware customers too stuck in their ways, then abandoned it to chase the cloud buzz word with open stack, but open stack was never that good and also the market for people who want to make their on premise stuff act like a cloud provider is actually not that big anyway. So they hopped on the container buzzword with open shift and stuck libvirt management in there to have an excuse for virtualization customers that there is a migration path for them.
Meanwhile proxmox scratched their head wondering why everyone was fixated on stacking abstraction layer upon abstraction layer on libvirt and just directly managed the qemu. Which frankly makes their stuff a lot more straightforward technically, and their implementation is a solid realization of the sort of experience that VMware provides. In fact much more straightforward than a typical VMware deployment, and easier to care and feed since it is natively Linux instead of an OS pretending not to be an os like esxi. It also is consistent to manage, unlike VMware where you must at least interact some with esxi but that’s deliberately crippled and then you have to do things a bit differently as you deploy center (which can be weirdly convoluted).
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What would anyone use it over qemu? Is this a business enterprise thing?
mholiv@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is a major difference between running a vm on your desktop and orchestrating a fleet of highly available virtual machines. Just one example might be vmotion. You can move a virtual machine from one physical host to another in real time with 0 interruption to services running on that host.
That’s some incredible stuff. Now days you can use things like XCP-ng to do the same but VMware was ahead of the pack for a decade.
They started dying when they were squeezed between cloud hyper scalars and the cheaper alternative hypervisors that finally had caught up.
Then the corpse was bought by Broadcom who is currently trying to milk it before the body completely rots.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, it seems that companies’ infrastructure was already entrenched with VMware, and now Broadcom is trying to leverage the fact that VMware is already being used to squeeze more money out of its acquisition?
Hexarei@programming.dev 1 year ago
You can do live migration like that with qemu, I do it all the time with Proxmox, which uses qemu under the hood.
kinther@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I stupidly bought a VMWare Workstation license when I first got on the Windows 11 train. Bright eyed and bushy tailed and all that rubbish. My experience was such shit that I abandoned it all for Linux and Virtualbox.
Fuck Microsoft, fuck VMWare.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was a happy camper with Hyper-V on server operating systems, was always a PITA on desktop versions though. Wonder if that’s changed. (Doubt.)
stembolts@programming.dev 1 year ago
qemu ftw.
Jestzer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is another good reminder to not use VMware or VirtualBox for any reason.
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I primarily use mac and when I need to quickly spin up a linux machine, parallels needs you to buy a new version every year or they wont support much, and fusion supports everything but its…vmware
kinther@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s free and works for me, why should I stop using Virtualbox?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
and what to use instead? run qemu commands and all the preparation by hand?
Jestzer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because it’s owned by Oracle and they’re the kings of malicious licensing. Using their software, even as an individual, with no intention of ever using it for work, gives them more power. Of course, if you ever even think about using it for work, then be prepared for the company you work for to be paying a huge bill or be sued.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’m out of the loop. Why not virtualbox?
slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t understand what these folks are saying. VirtualBox is community software. It does not matter that it comes from Oracle since it is fully libre/open.
Zacpod@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because Oracle sucks donkey balls.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 year ago
Isn’t VMWare out of support anyway?
Not that I fault the users of it - a perpetual license is a perpetual licence and good luck with the C&D, but there are other options. Though I only know of OpenShift on RHEL.
mp3@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Broadcom is where previously good softwares go to die.
Proxmox and Nutanix must be quite happy with the new customers.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
At first, I thought the products you were listening were “good softwares going to die”. I was like “wut. Proxmox is fucking epic.”
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Proxmox is amazing.
Oderus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I really want to use Nutanix but they are the same price as VMware VCF and they don’t support my existing hardware so I’d have to buy all new servers, just to pay the same price.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Proxmox ftw
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 year ago
We told them to go fuck themselves. We retain lawyer specifically in case we have legal concerns, and the way we use their products, price jack up would be so extreme that it’s entirely worth risking it while we migrate away.
SouthFresh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Did Fraudcom hire Prenda Law or something?
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A move this dumb will totally work out in thier favor. /S
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re trying to kill it. Anything they can squeeze out of existing customers in the meantime is just gravy.
Gork@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Threatening to sue your customers is such a brilliant business move.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Especially those who are perfectly in the right legally and morally.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The RIAA special
devfuuu@lemmy.world [bot] 1 year ago
It’s also the business model of Oracle I think and they are wildly successful.
Geodad@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Right? That’s what encouraged me to sail the high seas.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 1 year ago
I think it had something to do with Broadcom wanting to go for a few big customers and don’t want to deal with the small fry anymore.
shalafi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s a valid business strategy to kick your low-paying customers to the curb and focus on the big spenders. Did the same with my little PC business back in the day. The small fry cost shitloads to support and are generally more bitchy.
But HOLY shit did Broadcom kick 'em down. I’ve never seen such an in-your-face business move to squeeze the cash cow as hard as possible, tank the company, grab the money and run.
People can say, and have been from day-1, “I’ll never use their shit again!” That’s fine with Broadcom, it’s literally their plan.
MNByChoice@midwest.social 1 year ago
Surely no competitors will grow in the small and medium business market to eventually be a competitor…
wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That seems unlikely to persuade those people to continue using VMware, but good luck with that business strat Broadcom.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sounds like a them problem if their software won’t refuse to update without an active contract. If it keeps working and being able to be updated then it’s on them.
futatorius@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Where would we be without predatory rent-seeking?
Someone’s going to make a fortune migrating firms off VMWare onto open-source VMs.
WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Remember:
There’s no such thing as a perpetual license, there’s only “until we change our mind” licenses