We can make the AI slave, we just need the humans to be more slave-like to do it.
Sergey Brin says AGI is within reach if Googlers work 60-hour weeks
Submitted 16 hours ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
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ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
realitista@lemm.ee 1 hour ago
Then we can enslave humanity with the AI slave
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 51 minutes ago
Well that’s the neat thing, the owners of the AI won’t need humanity. They will exterminate us using the AI and sit smugly on their thrones of skulls until they expire or kill each other. Then I guess AI can just do its own thing in our ruins.
Obelix@feddit.org 3 hours ago
Just for information: We know, from multiple studies, that working more than 40 hours a week for longer periods of time is extremly unhealthy for you. A week has 24*7 = 168 hours and you should sleep 8 hours. That are 56 hours and if you’re working 60 hours, that leaves you with 52 hours or 7,5 hours per day for stuff like “commuting to work”, “buying groceries”, “brushing your teeth” , “family”, “friends”, “sport” or “this important appointment at the dentist”.
And that 7,5 hours are without a weekend. This will kill you. You might be younger and feel strong, but this will kill you.
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
Not to mention that it doesn’t yield higher output. So it’s stupid on every level.
Obelix@feddit.org 1 hour ago
Yeah, that is also a factor. You can’t expect good work from somebody who has been working for 60 hours for years without having a vacation.
Allero@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
And if you want to have two weekends, 60 hours in 5 days is 12 hours of work a day, minus 8 hours for sleep you get 4 hours, minus ~2 hours commute you get 2 hours, and the rest is basic cooking and eating. This leaves 0 hours for anything else, including rest or even any other duties. This will absolutely kill you in the long run.
drmoose@lemmy.world 37 minutes ago
Dude who’s done nothing of importance since bouncing off google throwing words like that 😄
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
If it’s within reach of a 60 hour week then it’s within reach of a 30 hour week.
This LLM copycat bullshit is never going to be it though. It’s not thinking, it’s looking up the answers at the back of the book.
satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Just a few more hours bro.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
That’s why I bake my cake at 2608°C for ~1,8 minutes, it just works™
alykanas@slrpnk.net 15 hours ago
Project Manager here, and where I’m from it’s common knowledge that 9 women can have a baby in a month .
isaaclyman@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Or!—hear me out—one woman whose 8 co-gestators were just laid off by someone who doesn’t understand what their job was
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
And an eager young bride can do in 7 months what takes 9 for cows and countesses.
kambusha@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
You can’t produce a baby in one month by getting nine women pregnant.
oakey66@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
AGI is not in reach. We need to stop this incessant parroting from tech companies. LLMs are stochastic parrots. They guess the next word. There’s no thought or reasoning. They don’t understand inputs. They mimic human speech. They’re not presenting anything meaningful.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I feel like I have found a lone voice of sanity in a jungle of brainless fanpeople sucking up the snake oil and pretending LLMs are AI. A simple control loop is closer to AI than a stochastic parrot, as you correctly put it.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
There are at least three of us.
I am worried what happens when the bubble finally pops because shit always rolls downhill and most of us are at the bottom of the hill.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
pretending LLMs are AI
LLMs are AI. There’s a common misconception about what ‘AI’ actually means. Many people equate AI with the advanced, human-like intelligence depicted in sci-fi - like HAL 9000, JARVIS, Ava, Mother, Samantha, Skynet, and GERTY. These systems represent a type of AI called AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), designed to perform a wide range of tasks and demonstrate a form of general intelligence similar to humans.
However, AI itself doesn’t imply general intelligence. Even something as simple as a chess-playing robot qualifies as AI. Although it’s a narrow AI, excelling in just one task, it still fits within the AI category. So, AI is a very broad term that covers everything from highly specialized systems to the type of advanced, adaptable intelligence that we often imagine. Think of it like the term ‘plants,’ which includes everything from grass to towering redwoods - each different, but all fitting within the same category.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
That undersells them slightly.
LLMs are powerful tools for generating text that looks like something. Need something rephrased in a different style? They’re good at that. Need something summarized? They can do that, too. Need a question answered? No can do.
LLMs can’t generate answers to questions. They can only generate text that looks like answers to questions. Often enough that answer is even correct, though usually suboptimal. But they’ll also happily generate complete bullshit answers and to them there’s no difference to a real answer.
They’re text transformers marketed as general problem solvers because a) the market for text transformers isn’t that big and b) general problem solvers is what AI researchers are always trying to create. They have their use cases but certainly not ones worth the kind of spending they get.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
LLM’s can now generate answers. Watch this:
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
I promise this is relevant and worth the watch.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
lol, because if they work 40-hour weeks they might create it a couple of weeks later
TheFogan@programming.dev 16 hours ago
Or, worse, they might actually have to hire enough people to actually do the job. Why hire 100 people with good work life balance, when you can hire 60 people that aren’t allowed to have lives or families.
sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 15 hours ago
60
peopleworkers that aren’t allowed to have lives or familiesI mean, that’s what the AI will be for…
7rokhym@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Thought this was an Onion article!
Hey plebs! I demand you work 50% more to develop AGI so that I can replace you with robots and fire all of you and make myself a double plus plutocrat! Also, I want to buy an island, small city, Bunker, Spaceship, And/Or something.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
wtf? why is everyone turning techbro all of a dudden even those who are supposed to be more knowledgeable on such stuff. Oh right because there is a bubble to sustain.
Phegan@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
He can fuck all the way off.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
globally
JOMusic@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
I highly recommend Kara Swisher’s recent book “Burn Book” for insights into the Tech lads like Brin, etc, as she’s known most of them since the 90s.
Really helps contextualize the crazy cocktail of engineering/commercial power with general naivety a lot of these guys have going.
antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
AGI requires a few key components that no LLM is even close to.
First, it must be able to discern truth based on evidence, rather than guessing it. Can’t just throw more data at it, especially with the garbage being pumped out these days.
Second, it must ask questions in the pursuit of knowledge, especially when truth is ambiguous. Once that knowledge is found, it needs to improve itself, pruning outdated and erroneous information.
Third, it would need free will. And that’s the one it will never get, I hope. Free will is a necessary part of intelligent consciousness. I know there are some who argue it does not exist but they’re wrong.
orb360@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
The human mind isn’t infinitely complex. Consciousness has to be a tractable problem imo. I watched Westworld so I’m something of an expert on the matter.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
Third, it would need free will.
I strongly disagree there. I argue that not even humans have free will, yet we’re generally intelligent so I don’t see why AGI would need it either. In fact, I don’t even know what true free will would look like. There are only two reasons why anyone does anything: either you want to or you have to. There’s obviously no freedom in having to do something but you can’t choose your wants and not-wants either. You helplessly have the beliefs and preferences that you do. You didn’t choose them and you can’t choose to not have them either.
spicystraw@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I want chocolate, I don’t eat chocolate, exercise of free will.
By your logic no alcoholic could possible stop drinking and become sober.
In my humble opinion, free will does not mean we are free of internal and external motivators, it means that we are free to either give in to them or go against.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 hours ago
Or just hire 50% more engineers? Or wait 50% longer?
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
with “hire more” you do run up against the “9 women can have a baby in 1 month” limit, but in this case it’s likely to help.
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Who gives a fuck what Sergey brin thinks
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So he’s saying they’ve exhausted the pool of applicants so badly to replace that with normal work weeks, just 150% amount of Googlers or maybe 200% amount of Googlers?
Power and fame break a man. Even if he wasn’t broken from the beginning.
Obelix@feddit.org 3 hours ago
He just wants more money and doesn’t want to pay his workers. Google has been laying off thousands of people in the last year, so there really is no shortage of applicants. They could have just kept their current workforce, maybe?
Cocopanda@futurology.today 4 hours ago
What I learned working with Googlers. They were dorks. Big ass dorks. Who got used by women because for the first time in their lives. They were attractive to these women. So many broken marriages and divorces from cheating husbands. That they joked about at the Christmas party. It was an eye opening experience.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
If it can be reached in 60 hour work weeks it can be reached in 40, but nah mfs should rush to get themselves replaced
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
If it can be reached in 60 hour work weeks, then it can be reached in 40 hour work weeks be hiring a second person.
If management isn’t willing to put the effort in of hiring the required staff, why would I want to work the job of 2 people for 1 persons pay?
frezik@midwest.social 12 hours ago
IT project management doesn’t work that way, but it doesn’t matter much. 60 hour work weeks wouldn’t help, either.
dan1101@lemm.ee 12 hours ago
Let’s work 20 hour weeks then. Who wants AGI other than war pigs and billionaires?
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
I mean, we could get a rogue agi take over the world. It might not even be worse lmao
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
WarPigs by Sabbath was about the future.
jinarched@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I don’t believe a single word of this bullshit.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
If it’s in reach working 60 hour weeks, it’s also on reach working 40 hour weeks, it will just take 1/3rd longer. ;)
howrar@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Let’s be real, it’ll probably happen faster on 40 hour work weeks than 60.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
lots of evidence pointing to it’d be quicker in 32 hour weeks than 40
LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 hours ago
50%
tonytins@pawb.social 9 hours ago
They warn us about AGI while simultaneously attempting to sell it to us.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Black PR is PR too, it’s like warnings about weapons of the future and combat robots and antiutopia for many people worked as an ad, and they want that exact future.
I think it’s the same with AGI. People think Skynet is cool and want Skynet, because they think it’s the future.
Except it’s a bit less, like real fascism doesn’t look similar to Warhammer, just to a criminal district ruled by a gang, scaled for a country.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
This is almost too depressing to be funny.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 hours ago
For how many years? Cuz y’all ain’t anywhere near AGI. You can’t even get generative AI to not suck compared to your competition in that market lol
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
With all the rounds of layoffs they’ve had, their remaining employees would need to be quite stupid to give a shit what this disloyal piece trash says.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Anyone else feel hungry?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
No, but lets go get some margaritas.
Flisty@mstdn.social 13 hours ago
Slushy the rich?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
Bloody Mary’s are back on the menu!
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Specifically, the women who report to him that he’s attracted to need to spend 60 hours a week dating him.
Thanks for the input, Big Head.
tal@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
That might speed it up, but that certainly is not a prerequisite.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
I bet it would happen faster if this guy was fired.
RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
They talk about AGI like it’s some kind of intrinsically benevolent messiah that is going to come along and free humanity of limitations rather than a product that is going to be monetised to make a few very rich people even richer
Damage@feddit.it 14 hours ago
And somehow it will run on thin air
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
What if the whole earth, itself, is like, one giant supercomputer, designed to answer the ultimate question, and it’s just been running for billions of years?
vane@lemmy.world 30 minutes ago
When exactly was this pivotal moment when Google became a cult not a company ?