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Good with some competition. We need much more in that area.
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Submitted 1 year ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Mio@feddit.nu 1 year ago
Jhex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
why are people frothing over Bluesky? this is just Twitter but owned by a different oligarch
Uniformly9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Because it isn’t just Twitter. Nobody can buy the network, the same way nobody can buy email.
- Anyone can host a server.
- Anyone can make an app.
- Anyone can make an algorithm.
- Anyone can make a moderation service. Users can freely pick a server, app, algorithm, and moderation service.
dnzm@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Yeah, no, not anybody can host a server. Sure, you can host a PDS, but the AppView still wasn’t open source last time I looked, and hosting a relay requires tens of terabytes of storage, not to mention the bandwidth to keep up.
Meanwhile, people host actual activitypub instances on repurposed routers and their car entertainment system…
Gluca23@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They have an addiction to that kind of socials.
thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No clue. Never found those platforms to be useful, just toxic.
Jhex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same here… even when Twitter was not even in the sights of fElon I found it to be super toxic. I signed up because “it was the best way to get the news” and left in about 4 days
Spezi@feddit.org 1 year ago
Yeah, why would I use BlueSky when I could just use my favorite platform named Threads?
Tap for spoiler
Just kidding
freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Because they learned nothing
arc@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Bluesky is like Twitter but with about 1/10th the idiots, and no mechanism that the idiots can elevate their racist, moronic hot takes above other comments.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Bluesky will follow the same enshittification trajectory Twitter did, it is just the beginning of the rollercoaster where the coaster is slowly brought up to the top to be launched… and everyone is exclaiming “wow I haven’t even thrown up yet!” as if that was any indicator of how much they were about to throw up…
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Yes but Twitter was fine for well over 10 years so it’s fine. Like I don’t understand this attitude that we can’t enjoy something now because at some point in the future it may theoretically be not as good.
arc@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Maybe it will, but for the time being it hasn’t. The experience is so vastly better than Twitter, that it’s a no brainer to jump over.
MarkalAlvarez@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think it will go down the same path as Twitter, since Bluesky is open source and available on Github other devs will have the possibility to improve it or create a better version of it but with the more users joining it might necessary to monetize it to better cover the costs. I would love to see everyone switching to the Fediverse but it’s not very intuitive for the average end user with the instances and the fact that you need to target a user and an instance to follow it
missandry351@lemmings.world 1 year ago
Im one of them
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
To anyone bemoaning BlueSky’s lack of federation, check out Free Our Feeds.
It’s a campaign to create a public interest foundation independent from the Bluesky team (although the Bluesky team has said they support them) that will build independent infrastructure, like a secondary “relay” as an alternative to Bluesky’s that can still communicate across the same protocol (The “AT Protocol”) while also doing developer grants for the development of further social applications built on open protocols like the AT Protocol or ActivityPub.
They have the support of an existing 501c(3), and their open letter has been signed by people you might find interesting, such as Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia).
bizza@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Ah yes, “free our feeds” where millionaire VCs are asking for donations
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
This is such a half-assed dog and pony show.
They have millions in investment, why do they need someone else to fund this? Why don’t the bluesky team directly and materially support them?
This is a core aspect of Bluesky’s marketing and they asking other volunteers to help make them rich.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Until there’s overt advertising its unlikely to enshittify the normal way. That doesn’t mean it won’t, just that a different capital process is at work. Wikipedia has outlived most of “web2.0” because of its funding model.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The only thing the Fediverse is missing is way to migrate from 1 instance to another
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It actually does exist, at least on Mastodon, but is still very janky (e.g. old posts aren’t moved over due to “technical limitations”)
Automatically makes people unfollow your old account and re-follow your new account, then makes your old instance’s link redirect to your new instance’s one.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
I feel like the reason the reason why it’s taking off so much is because it’s not federated.
It’s like people hear the term federation and they get afraid. I know it’s not that simple but still.
In other words, people don’t know what they actually need.
nexguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think 99% of people who have joined bluesky have any clue what federation is or means. They do know what “not twitter” is however.
ArchRecord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t personally think it’s because of that. Sure, federation as a concept outside of email has a bit of a messaging problem for explaining it to newbies, but… everyone uses email, and knows how that works. This is identical, just with it being posts instead of emails. Users aren’t averse to federation, in concept or practice.
Bluesky was directly created as a very close clone of Twitter’s UI, co-governed and subsequently pushed by the founder of Twitter himself, who will obviously have more reach than randoms promoting something like Mastodon, and, in my opinion, kind of just had better branding.
“Bluesky” feels like a breath of fresh air, while “Mastodon” just sounds like… well, a Mastodon, whatever that makes the average person think of at first.
So when you compare Bluesky, with a familiar UI, nice name, and consistent branding, not to mention algorithms, which Mastodon lacks, all funded by large sums of money, to Mastodon, with unfamiliar branding, minimal funding, and substantially less reach from promoters, which one will win out, regardless of the technology involved?
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is this 30 million accounts created? Active user numbers would be a lot more meaningful.
As an illustration, if you have a platform that’s gaining 100,000 users each month and losing 100,000 other users each month, it’s basically going nowhere. But it will eventually reach this “30 million users” milestone too if all it means is account creations.
coolmojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wonder how many of the 30 million accounts are bots.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Active user numbers is probably less than 1 million, but still, 30 million accounts created is quite likely pretty good.
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s something, but there’s really no frame of reference to know if it’s good or how good. Because few companies ever report this number. Twitter might have billions of accounts created if we look at all time.
Actives are what count.
oshu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve come to realize that bluesky already had all lot of what I’m happy to not see on masto. Good that there is a place for it to exist without me.
That content is also probably what the majority of people like about it.
ErinCrush@lemm.ee 1 year ago
As a former mastodon believer, Bluesky is so much better. I’m sorry but the kind of content I wanted on mastodon was never there. Bluesky feels good. Things change, for sure. For now though? This is the best we have for a replacement for Twitter.
QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never actually used Twitter, but recently made accounts on Mastodon, Bluesky, and Pixelfed.
Pixelfed has been my favorite of the three so far… I’m finding that the image-based focus means my feed is mostly fun stuff, that leaves me feeling happy, not gloom and doom of news, snark, etc.
I’m not sure how long I’ll use Mastodon, but I’ve been finding hashtags and users that I’m interested in following and interacting with, and the keyword filters have allowed me to limit (but not eliminate) the depressing stuff.
Bluesky pissed me the fuck off since I couldn’t find a way to follow hashtags, only users, and the Lists thing was just not what I wanted either. Bluesky’s filter is disappointing compares to Mastodon’s too, since Mastodon allows you to hide filtered words behind a content warning or hide them completely, while Bluesky seems to only hide them completely.
ErinCrush@lemm.ee 1 year ago
While you can’t follow hashtags you can follow “topics” like movies, tech, etc. They should do a better job of explaining how to use that feature though.
As for pixelfed, I’d love to use it. But the only use I have for Instagram is following local bands. Although there is a new site that’s popped up recently that’s like Instagram with a forum but only for bands and musicians to communicate with their local scenes. Very cool, old Internet kind of feel to it.
naught101@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bluesky has the network effect, at least for some domains of content. Mastodon has about 50% coverage of my domain of interests, but that’s probably way less for many people.
Mastodon has the guaranteed lack of enshittification via decentralisation. Bluesky is promising it, but it seems far from guaranteed, and if it doesn’t happen, I’m betting it’ll enshittify about 4 times faster than twitter, because everything does these days…
So Bluesky is probably a better bet in the short term for general users… I’m glad people are escaping twitter at least. But I’m sticking with Mastodon, 'cause fuck going through all that again in a couple of years.
Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I dont like either, but then again I couldn’t get into twitter. The microblogging is not for me. I made accounts on mastodon, bluesky, pixelfed et al just to improve the numbers
Saltycracker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think I might use both
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 1 year ago
I tried to figure out Mastodon a few months ago. I’m with you.
Someone asked me to follow them on Mastodon. I couldn’t find them in the app. He sent me the direct link and it opened up a browser on my phone, refusing to recognize the app.
I finally added them by remembering which server I was in, log into that, visiting their link again, adding them from my logged in server, and then it finally appeared in the app.
And if I’m dealing with thet level of monkeying around, how many others are? How the hell are we supposed to contribute and add content and find social circles when we’re fighting with the UI?
Lemmy seems to have figured out how to not make a sucky experience with multiple servers.
PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 1 year ago
On Mastodon I have no trouble interacting with other users there. I have 2 accounts running on different instances - one global and one local. No trouble at all finding an account on either of them.
SilentKnightOwl@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Yep, if even tech-savvy folks struggle with following people via links, the average user is going to feel totally lost. It’s these minor UX issues that keep holding federated platforms back.
anon593839@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I find Lemmy to be a better reddit alternative than Mastodon is a twitter alternative.
The lack of an infinitely scrollable algorithmic feed in Mastodon is definitely better societally, but let’s be real, the algorithmic feed is just way more fun to scroll in blue sky.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Man does not learn
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
6 more months before it monetizes…
naught101@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Then a rapid decent into profit maximisation at the expense of user experience.
HairTransplants@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Something similar is going to happen with lemmy if reddit keeps caving in to Elon
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Na, we are a reduct… it’s a miracle we are on indexed web*
*/j
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
1/10th the US population! Fantastic!
deathbird@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Activitypub or gtfo
mayumu@ani.social 1 year ago
I tried Mastodon two times in the past. I love the idea of federation and really want it to work. There’s just too much friction though.
First you have to choose an instance. If there isn’t a sensible default preselected when you download an app you already lost almost all non-technical people.
But I’m a technical, motivated individual, so I managed. Next I wanted to follow some creators I know. I couldn’t just look them up, I had to find them on twitter or other places and manually copy their name@instance or whatever into mastodon.
Cool. Now I can press follow and it’ll follow, right? Wrong. I press follow and nothing happens. I find out It’s pending? I’m guessing both instances have to accept federation between them?
Let’s follow some more creators I know. What do you mean I can’t follow someone because their instance is straight up blocked by my instance because their instance mods think everything anime-related is for pedos? So I can’t follow creators from both instances because they don’t like each other? So I need to find an instance which isn’t blocked by anyone, doesn’t block anyone? Or host my own one person instance and hope other instances accept my federation?
At this point you already lost 99.9% of people. I want mastodon to work, but it straight up sucks.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Time for the fediverse to reflect on this lamentable failure to capture the zeitgeist. The future could have been glorious. Instead we have infighting, defederation, owner class privilege with their delegates (moderators) as the first class citizen. And of course, hiding the structures of power has already begun in the name of harmony, so no, you can’t have frictionless account migration. Don’t step out of line if you don’t want to lose your fediverse relationships and history…
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Time for the fediverse to reflect on this lamentable failure to capture the zeitgeist
We haven’t failed, the wise ones among us understand companies like bluesky grow cancerously, and that cancerous growth is neither desirable nor emulatable (especially in pace) in a healthy system.
deathbird@mander.xyz 1 year ago
I agree that defederation is vastly overused, and simple account migration should be a priority.
naught101@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What… are you talking about?
Spaniard@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never had a twitter account, not because of political beliefs but because the core of that social network is bullshit and the internet should be better than that.
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s literally just Shower Thoughts: The Website.
I really don’t understand the appeal.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I only use bluesky to follow a couple of ukraine war news accounts. It’s very good for that purpose. I don’t interact at all or read comments, twitter was always an absolute cesspool and I assume bkuesky is as well, or will be if it ever replaces twitter
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It is a decent format for businesses, organizations, musicians/comedians/touring acts etc. to announce events and goings on to the general public. For discourse, it’s complete garbagepuke.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What a bunch of dumbasses
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
What annoys me is that people are buying the idea that BlueSky is federated.
Not only is it not federated, the very architecture they designed means that it’s probably not federateable, at least not by normal users.
The way they designed it, a relay is required to collect and forward every single BlueSky post. That means, as the service grows, it becomes more and more impossible for anybody but a company to run a relay. Someone did some calculations back in November when it was a significantly smaller network, and they calculated that at a minimum it costs a few hundred dollars, possibly as much as 1000 bucks a month just to handle the disk storage needs for a relay on a leased server. The more the network grows, the more those costs skyrocket.
What good does it do to have a network that theoretically can be federated, but practically costs so much to run a single node that nobody except a for-profit company can manage it?
bizza@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
And that’s the kicker. Bluesky can never be meaningfully decentralized.
JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’m not familiar with Blue sky, do they advertise as federated or how exactly do they claim to differ from a regular platform like original Twitter?
MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
docs.bsky.app/docs/…/federation-architecture
And reading an article from TechCrunch,
“The social network has a Twitter-like user interface with algorithmic choice, a federated design and community-specific moderation.”
“Is Bluesky decentralized? Yes. Bluesky’s team is developing the decentralized AT Protocol, which Bluesky was built atop.”
“However, the launch of federation will make it work more similarly to Mastodon in that users can pick and choose which servers to join and move their accounts around at will.”
So it definitely is pitching that is it decentralized and federated. Maybe the argument is that it “will be”, but at the moment it is not and at the moment it does not look like it will be an actual possibility.
Now people leaving Twitter is great, don’t get me wrong, but it’s possibly just kicking the can down the road. In a few years we’ll likely have articles complaining about missing “Old Bluesky” and how “new Bluesky” has the exact same problems that “Old Twitter” had.
pls@lemmy.plaureano.nohost.me 1 year ago
Weird, I had a bluesky add-on on my experimental friend’s installation and have not noticed any messages other than the ones people I followed participated in.
I have since deleted it, so cannot figure out what they have done differently.
Tregetour@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Sounds like the protocol equivalent of regulatory capture.
bilb@lem.monster 1 year ago
I guess it could allow multiple funding models. Instance A is ad supported, instance B is a paid service. Not exciting for us self hosters, but there is possibility there.
Mac@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Try hosting your own instance and sorting through the content of 30m people for the one post you want. lol
mark@programming.dev 1 year ago
This is so true. There’s a comment in this thread going all crazy complaining about it being costly to host anything on the protocol to stop Bluesky from dominating it and everything. But im like “uhh yeah, servers and storage costs money”. It’s just so weird how everyone thinks popular sites should be free.
noctivius@lemm.ee 1 year ago
another trash platform its just matter of a time, use mastodon and fediverse to don’t migrate again in few years
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mastodon and the fediverse are nerd shit with massive usability issues. Even I gave up on Mastodon and I would consider myself far more willing to put up with shit than the average user will ever be. The mass will - never - migrate to the fediverse and in many ways, especially looking at moderation issues, that is probably a good thing.
bizza@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
The masses will either eventually migrate to ActivityPub, or have their entire digital lives consumed by oligarchs. It’s just a fight between finally deciding that maybe ease-of-use doesn’t mean “good,” and losing every ounce of your identity and ability to express your thoughts and feelings.
RxBrad@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I love Mastodon. It’s easily my favorite & most-used social media platform right now.
But I’m also a huge damn nerd.
I honestly can’t say I’d recommend it to anyone that isn’t also a huge damn nerd, because they just won’t find stuff they want.
“You want sports? We don’t have much of that, but check out the Proxmox server in this guy’s basement!”
AbackDeckWARLORD@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s interesting what a bubble lemmy users are in. There is a reason it is not taking off and did not replace reddit for many people that tried it. It’s way too daunting and confusing for the average user, same with mastodon.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Good, I don’t need the mass. Social media is cancer anyways.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 year ago
It’s sad but I agree. Lemmy works well, especially if you use third-party apps such as Voyager, but Mastodon… is so badly thought. I can navigate it because I’m a technical person, but normal people will never be able to understand how to use it, what are instances, why it asks me to type my instance when I want to follow someone, etc.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
This is the saddest, most insular cope I’ve read all day.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Whenever I see how they keep getting brought up, I’m always reminded of that Dilbert ep about how people just fall for blue logos that are easy on the eyes. They don’t even have to know what it is… just the fact that the stupid logo is blue is enough. lol
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Man, people love Left wing Gab.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 year ago
Mastodon has around 1 million active users Bluesky has around 3* million active users
Bluesky doesn’t have a decent way to see active user count, but it is likely higher than 3 million
Mastodon retains 10%, Bluesky retains 10% at worst
Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tried it last night for a hockey game. I still think I’m not using it correctly but people were nice.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
30 million users and still nobody likes my posts
pls@lemmy.plaureano.nohost.me 1 year ago
I find it odd that people follow Jack Dorsey into another sewer in troves. They seem to like the previous Twitter experiment, while I find it repugnant.
The lesson today is that I don’t get the social media phenomenon. My bad. I hope they have a ton of fun.
skygirl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I never trust meta statistics anymore because you know they’re filling out their “numbers” with bots to try and keep their stock prices up.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Love an app that defaults me to people I actually follow and doesn’t bombard me with endless reams of ads or engagement bait.
We’ll see how long that lasts. But for now, its a blast from the past to be on a social media app I don’t hate.
drspod@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Another corporate social media platform, what could go wrong?
Nima@leminal.space 1 year ago
Nice. Glad to see people leaving xitter en mass.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Sounds disgusting
deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Decentralized FOSS socials are great technical achievements but I feel like the actual product that users will interact with are worse copy cats of already established social platforms. Mastodon is a Twitter clone, Lemmy is a reddit clone, peertube is a youtube clone. I love these FOSS/decen. platforms but the frontend that users actually interact with are just copies of already popular platforms, just with another backend. What innovative FOSS/decen. social platforms exist? Not talking about the backend but the user experience.