What’s the problem of training AI with my posts?
Bluesky says it won’t train AI on your posts
Submitted 1 year ago by Joker@sh.itjust.works to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/15/24297442/bluesky-no-intention-train-generative-ai-posts
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MrFootball@lemmy.world 1 year ago
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nothing if you do it yourself but someone else doing it without your permission and making tons of money off of it and not sharing it isn’t very cool so this is nice.
MrFootball@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, they should ask for permission, I don’t see the point of not sharing it though, they will only make tons of money if the AI is good, don’t they? I think ChatGPT and some other AIs are amazing and if they want my data for helping it, I would allow it.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Can I get that written in a contract?
Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 1 year ago
For now
sircac@lemmy.world 1 year ago
…at the moment
zquestz@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The API is so cheap someone is going to do it anyways…
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s my biggest issue with AI. Now all the APIs want me to pay to use them. Originally the API was an incentive to get engineers to build features for their sites without having to pay them. The engineers get data they need to build their thing and the company providing the API gets free product features and user acquisition. It was mostly a fair trade. Now the companies see a few other companies using that data to train API and make a fortune so their reaction is to charge a fortune for the API. Totally disregarding the previous arrangement. If you are an engineer working on something unrelated to AI you are basically shut down from using any APIs that provide useful data. Everything is locked down now when it once was open. It’s so sad. It makes learning more restrictive
wpb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“we promise ;)”
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Yeah, I remember when Reddit promised similar things…
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nah, first you gotta get comfortable for a couple of years.
It’s basically pig butchering for social networks.
LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair, they could probably train AI on Lemmy data, they just won’t ask for permission and won’t be charged for it
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AI is 100% being trained using Lemmy.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who owns this? Another insane rich, right wing techie?
MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They also said it was decentralized which is not true.
I don’t believe this.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
well there’s a protocol but everyone is on the main one, i don’t think theres even a non personal instance.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Yeah, I looked into it and the backend is proprietary, so the central owner can restrict features. Like for instance independent instances can only have 10 users.
It’s “decentralised” except only in extremely limited scope, the code is centrally controlled and the network remains largely, functionally centralised.
They’re capitalising on the decentralised, federated buzz while doing it so poorly they’re setting up users to say “oh people tried decentralisation, it doesn’t work, look at Bluesky”.
If it’s not open source, it’s not decentralised.
frobscottle_lemmyworld@lemmy.world 1 year ago
…for now.
HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 1 year ago
“Bluesky has not been offered enough money to scrape user data for AI”
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Bluesky is VC backed. They’ll want to make money down the road, and they’ll definitely train AI soon if not already.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Maybe the VC’s are dying soon and they wanted to do something useful with their exorbitant wealth before they die
bebabalula@feddit.dk 1 year ago
Funny!
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Lol
residentmarchant@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This seems like a clever way of saying they don’t have an AI team or plans so they have no use for the data.
Brilliant!
Exec@pawb.social 1 year ago
Yet
remotelove@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Well, it will train it’s AI on everyone else’s posts. Just not your posts.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why is this taking off but not Mastadon?
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Barrier of entry is marginally lower. With mastodon you’ll have to make a decision on what instance you’re creating your account. With Bluesky there’s just Bluesky.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Yep. 100% this.
Bluesky gas the hyper casual "barrier’ of entry that Twitter had
marx2k@lemmy.world 1 year ago
With bluesky ,the sign up has a section where you choose a server. The bluesky server is prefilled. Otherwise you add your own.
But not having that default option and instead having to have the user go research and figure out which server to use is an immediate turn off.
Evotech@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Better marketing
mke@programming.dev 1 year ago
Which marketing and better how, exactly?
Can anyone please point me an example of Bluesky marketing that isn’t word of mouth or large-event headlines on the news?
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I’ve yet to hear a good argument for why it matters even if they did. I’ve made thousands of comments on Lemmy that are free for anyone to grab and do anything they want with. If I didn’t want people to have access to them I wouldn’t be posting on the first place.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If I didn’t want people to have access to them I wouldn’t be posting on the first place.
there’s the catch: it’s for people. not robots, not billionaires
obinice@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why not? Are my posts not good enough for you Mr Bluesky?
Vanth@reddthat.com 1 year ago
But did they pinky promise?
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
… for now
recapitated@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s open to the public. So, many other orgs are certainly doing it anyway.
marx2k@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The same can be said of lemmy, mastodon or any publically accessible forum
recapitated@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Absolutely. I worked somewhere where we routinely had alarms go off due to botnets swarming us with weird (and obnoxious) massive download tactics (of publicly available user generated content, that is).
If it can be gotten by anyone, it will be gotten by LLM trainers.
eran_morad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lol okay. Sounds good, bro.
staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Won’t train AI on your posts
until we reach critical mass of users.NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 year ago
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
LMAO
bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Better BlueSky than Twitter, but I hope everyone understands by now that there’s literally no reason to take a business’s word for anything unless they somehow have legally obligated themselves to be committed to doing that thing forever. Otherwise you can only trust them to keep doing it for as long as it’s worth it from an economic perspective. I’m not saying that it can’t ever happen that a business acts out of pure goodwill, but I would never count on it.
Naich@lemmings.world 1 year ago
yet
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
“Well, WE won’t train on your data. But this subsidiary company we created on the other hand…”
Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Or one of our 12675 carefully selected partners
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
- lube can be removed without further notice
taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“Don’t be evil”…
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
“Don’t be evil” …
… for now
FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t get it. They were rich beyond most people’s wildest dreams. Why did they jump aboard the enshitification bandwagon?
Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Money is power, and people with money like to habe power.
If someone else is pulling in more money, you’re going to find yourself with less power.
TheFogan@programming.dev 1 year ago
Public trading… it’s capitalism. By law you have to try and extort every penny.
original_reader@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They want to be rich beyond EVERYONE’S wildest dreams.
Why else?
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
When you make a lot of money, the number you see in your account starts to become part of your identity because it differentiates you between you and the people you see every day. The same way if I had blue curly hair, that would become a defining factor of where I “differ” from the general public. The numbers in one’s account becomes an obsession-point.
People get obsessed with the number and how much bigger they can make it. It’s like hoarding. No amount will ever be enough. And once you’re able to buy anything, the actual value of that money becomes meaningless. So even more drive to bring the number up because that’s the only novelty you are getting.
That and power.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
More money
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is zero reason to believe this to be true.