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Bluesky says it won’t train AI on your posts
Submitted 5 months ago by Joker@sh.itjust.works to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/15/24297442/bluesky-no-intention-train-generative-ai-posts
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Naich@lemmings.world 5 months ago
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
“Well, WE won’t train on your data. But this subsidiary company we created on the other hand…”
Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Or one of our 12675 carefully selected partners
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 months ago
- lube can be removed without further notice
staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Won’t train AI on your posts
until we reach critical mass of users.dsilverz@thelemmy.club 5 months ago
[deleted]ripcord@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Does it?
OK, what would they say if they weren’t planning on it?
frobscottle_lemmyworld@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…for now.
HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 5 months ago
“Bluesky has not been offered enough money to scrape user data for AI”
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If the AT protocol allows public access to content, they can’t create a proprietary training set. But the content is available for anyone who want to add it to a public training set.
Exec@pawb.social 5 months ago
Yet
remotelove@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Well, it will train it’s AI on everyone else’s posts. Just not your posts.
Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 5 months ago
For now
sircac@lemmy.world 5 months ago
…at the moment
Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Yeah, I remember when Reddit promised similar things…
MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They also said it was decentralized which is not true.
I don’t believe this.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
well there’s a protocol but everyone is on the main one, i don’t think theres even a non personal instance.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Yeah, I looked into it and the backend is proprietary, so the central owner can restrict features. Like for instance independent instances can only have 10 users.
It’s “decentralised” except only in extremely limited scope, the code is centrally controlled and the network remains largely, functionally centralised.
They’re capitalising on the decentralised, federated buzz while doing it so poorly they’re setting up users to say “oh people tried decentralisation, it doesn’t work, look at Bluesky”.
If it’s not open source, it’s not decentralised.
LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 5 months ago
To be fair, they could probably train AI on Lemmy data, they just won’t ask for permission and won’t be charged for it
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
AI is 100% being trained using Lemmy.
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Bluesky is VC backed. They’ll want to make money down the road, and they’ll definitely train AI soon if not already.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Maybe the VC’s are dying soon and they wanted to do something useful with their exorbitant wealth before they die
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Lol
bebabalula@feddit.dk 5 months ago
Funny!
recapitated@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s open to the public. So, many other orgs are certainly doing it anyway.
marx2k@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The same can be said of lemmy, mastodon or any publically accessible forum
recapitated@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Absolutely. I worked somewhere where we routinely had alarms go off due to botnets swarming us with weird (and obnoxious) massive download tactics (of publicly available user generated content, that is).
If it can be gotten by anyone, it will be gotten by LLM trainers.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Can I get that written in a contract?
zquestz@lemm.ee 5 months ago
The API is so cheap someone is going to do it anyways…
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s my biggest issue with AI. Now all the APIs want me to pay to use them. Originally the API was an incentive to get engineers to build features for their sites without having to pay them. The engineers get data they need to build their thing and the company providing the API gets free product features and user acquisition. It was mostly a fair trade. Now the companies see a few other companies using that data to train API and make a fortune so their reaction is to charge a fortune for the API. Totally disregarding the previous arrangement. If you are an engineer working on something unrelated to AI you are basically shut down from using any APIs that provide useful data. Everything is locked down now when it once was open. It’s so sad. It makes learning more restrictive
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Nah, first you gotta get comfortable for a couple of years.
It’s basically pig butchering for social networks.
bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Better BlueSky than Twitter, but I hope everyone understands by now that there’s literally no reason to take a business’s word for anything unless they somehow have legally obligated themselves to be committed to doing that thing forever. Otherwise you can only trust them to keep doing it for as long as it’s worth it from an economic perspective. I’m not saying that it can’t ever happen that a business acts out of pure goodwill, but I would never count on it.
Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 5 months ago
I’ve yet to hear a good argument for why it matters even if they did. I’ve made thousands of comments on Lemmy that are free for anyone to grab and do anything they want with. If I didn’t want people to have access to them I wouldn’t be posting on the first place.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
If I didn’t want people to have access to them I wouldn’t be posting on the first place.
there’s the catch: it’s for people. not robots, not billionaires
taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
“Don’t be evil”…
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
“Don’t be evil” …
… for now
FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t get it. They were rich beyond most people’s wildest dreams. Why did they jump aboard the enshitification bandwagon?
original_reader@lemm.ee 5 months ago
They want to be rich beyond EVERYONE’S wildest dreams.
Why else?
TheFogan@programming.dev 5 months ago
Public trading… it’s capitalism. By law you have to try and extort every penny.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
When you make a lot of money, the number you see in your account starts to become part of your identity because it differentiates you between you and the people you see every day. The same way if I had blue curly hair, that would become a defining factor of where I “differ” from the general public. The numbers in one’s account becomes an obsession-point.
People get obsessed with the number and how much bigger they can make it. It’s like hoarding. No amount will ever be enough. And once you’re able to buy anything, the actual value of that money becomes meaningless. So even more drive to bring the number up because that’s the only novelty you are getting.
That and power.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Money is power, and people with money like to habe power.
If someone else is pulling in more money, you’re going to find yourself with less power.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 months ago
More money
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Why is this taking off but not Mastadon?
Evotech@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Better marketing
mke@programming.dev 5 months ago
Which marketing and better how, exactly?
Can anyone please point me an example of Bluesky marketing that isn’t word of mouth or large-event headlines on the news?
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Barrier of entry is marginally lower. With mastodon you’ll have to make a decision on what instance you’re creating your account. With Bluesky there’s just Bluesky.
marx2k@lemmy.world 5 months ago
With bluesky ,the sign up has a section where you choose a server. The bluesky server is prefilled. Otherwise you add your own.
But not having that default option and instead having to have the user go research and figure out which server to use is an immediate turn off.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Yep. 100% this.
Bluesky gas the hyper casual "barrier’ of entry that Twitter had
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There is zero reason to believe this to be true.
NeilBru@lemmy.world 5 months ago
eran_morad@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Lol okay. Sounds good, bro.
obinice@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Why not? Are my posts not good enough for you Mr Bluesky?
Vanth@reddthat.com 5 months ago
But did they pinky promise?
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Who owns this? Another insane rich, right wing techie?
wpb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“we promise ;)”
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 5 months ago
… for now
macstainless@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Oh it will as soon as the investors demand more ReTurN oN iNvEsTmEnT.
errer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Then we leave that platform too. I have zero loyalty. Zero.
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] 5 months ago
I only have it because my family chose that over Mastodon. Mastodon is better.
frunch@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But they’ll have stragglers just the same as any major social media site. Even though many here have standards they won’t easily abandon, there are scores of people that won’t even know if/when AI started being used on the site or would care enough to leave if they did.
Plus every time we leave a platform we need to find or build a new one. The time it takes to get others to migrate and develop into a worthwhile community is hard to predict and it may not even work out. It sucks social media is such shit anymore, but it seems inevitable that it will remain that way given the landscape of the Internet at this point.
I say this as someone who’s drifted from Fark to Digg to Reddit to Lemmy over the past 20-25 years 🎈 (zero loyalty as well)
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
It’s a Public Benefit Corp structure, so legally investors have very little power.
Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Until they restructure the way OpenAI did.