Do PhDs HAVE to use Dr?

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨dragonfucker@lemmy.nz⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

Can a PhD (Or a doctorate or an MD) choose to use a gendered title instead of Dr? For example, suppose an AFAB PhD comes out as a trans man. Is he allowed to use Mister to affirm his gender? Or is he stuck in the gender neutral Doctor zone forever? Does he have to get knighted by the British monarchy in order to get a masculine title?

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RegalPotoo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Doctor” is a title you become entitled to use by virtue of holding a PhD - you have the option to use it, but nothing compels you to do so if you don’t want to.

Note that the reverse isn’t true - representing yourself as holding a doctorate when you don’t can be a fairly serious crime - if you did for the purposes of getting money from some, then it’s probably some kind of fraud

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- hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I mean, it is fraud if you represent yourself as a doctor of a field you don’t have a doctorate in. But for example, you can be Albert Einstein, PHD will a focus in stupid and no one will care
  
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- Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  While misrepresenting yourself or your credentials can be fraud, the title of PhD/Doctor (outside of MD) is not regulated, at least not in the US. It’s almost like an endorsement from the university that you passed their tests.
  
  But that’s not very regulated either, and there are countless certifying boards (Boards of Regents, typically).
  
  Falsely claiming to have a PhD in Neuroscience from Harvard, or an honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts from Knox College, would be fraud. But just saying that you have a PhD without specifying anything more specific is not.
  
  And it comes up regularly - an easy example is the author of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.
  
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- thelardboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  A good
  
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- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah I was gonna say… Pretty sure nobody is gonna force you to use “Dr”
  
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Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Most people with Ph.D don’t use the Dr title out of a formal setting.

Between People thinking that you’re a physicianand asking about their health, and people thinking you’re pedantic. Better staying discrete.

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TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No one has to do anything. Live your life. Choose how you want to be addressed.

You don’t hear lawyers going around being called Dr. Lastname, despite having JDs.

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- halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To be fair, lawyers get the much cooler Esquire, AND it is appended to the end of their name instead of the front. Definitely stands out more than the generic Doctor.
  
  Although only a douchenozzle would insist on it being used.
  
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  - TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Doctor Snooty McFace, Esquire
    
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- satanmat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Totally. 👍. Well said
  
  Although I had a prof who was a JD who INSISTED on Dr. so she could be on par with the other instructors. But then no one liked her. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  
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meyotch@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As a PhD holder who has worked in healthcare, I really couldn’t use the title doctor because the chance for confusion with a medical practitioner is too high. That’s fine by me, I only use the title on rare occasions such as when speaking publicly in my area of experience. Please just call me Meyotch.

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- aalvare2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Meyotch is an interesting suffix to a person’s name.
  
  “I am Professor Patrick” “Professor?” “Meyotch Professor Patrick!”
  
  /s
  
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- LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Meanwhile in certain countries people with an M.B.B.S. and no doctorate get use the title of “doctor” as a matter of convention.
  
  Funny how physicians have basically co-opted the title even when they technically do not possess the degree it refers to. And even funnier is that that word doctor means teacher in Latin so it would make much more sense that those with Ph.D.s, who are qualified to teach at the highest levels, should get to use the title over physicians most of whom do not teach anything at all unless they are medical school professors.
  
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- cabbage@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I have a PhD, the only time I use my title is when booking tickets for trains or planes with German companies.
  
  I'm a social scientist. Nobody hears the word "doctor" and thinks of a person like me.
  
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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There’s no law that says you have to use ‘dr’ or another title; and can instead go by Mr, if he wants.

It might also be possible to go by dr [first name], if that solves the question of gender affirmation. Might also be simpler/easier to get people to go along with it.

Also, I’d happily Knight him myself. There’s no law in America saying I can’t, either. so, there.

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- Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  My chivalric order of bad-assery will stand nearby and make fun of you.
  
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  - FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Real badasses grab a broom and a rake.
    
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ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You can use your full name plus PhD at the end, that should make it easier for people to get the gender of the person, and looks better for those who are not medical doctors.

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SolOrion@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Double up. Assert dominance. Demand to be referred to as ‘Mister Doctor’. Hmm… ‘Doctor Mister’? I think I like Mr. Dr. better.

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- azimir@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If you’re a professor with a doctorate in Germany, the official way to refer to you is Professor Doctor [last name]. If you hold two doctorates it’s Professor Doctor Doctor.
  
  Professor is also a serious and registered title in Germany. You can’t just start a school and start handing out professorships without oversight and approval.
  
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  - SolOrion@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    TIL. That’s actually really cool info!
    
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- edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Dr first the syntax I subscribe to
  
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- RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  mister doctor?
  
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Kintarian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t know for sure but for me, if I spent 10 years in college, and two or three years in an internship, working 15 hours a day, sometimes 20 or 30 hours straight with no sleep, I would think that having the doctor title is something I worked hard to earn.

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- Contramuffin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Most PhD’s in university actually prefer to be called by their first name. As a graduate student, one of the most jarring culture shocks is to learn to call professors by their first names. At least that’s the case in the US, not sure about elsewhere
  
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  - Kintarian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I see, that’s interesting. I didn’t know that.
    
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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Transitioning is also a grueling process. Drag has a degree and drag is more proud of drag’s body than of the piece of paper. It might be different for postgraduate, drag is in the process of finding out. Drag is worried about becoming a doctor and losing the choice to use a different title if drag wants. Right now drag would rather be Dr than Mx, but drag doesn’t want to lose options in case a better option comes along later.
  
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  - adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Generally, getting certifications/memberships gives you more options for honorifics, not fewer; you get to use any that are appropriate.
    
    And for instance, if someone has a PhD and an MDiv, they can go by Reverend, Doctor, Reverend Doctor or Mx, and they’re all appropriate; it all depends on context and what you’re trying to communicate.
    
    So Doctor Drag (he/him) is appropriate, as is Mx Drag, PhD.
    
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  - angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I just realised Dr. could work as a shortened version of Drag, so you could think of your future title as “Drag Firstname Lastname”.
    
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  - Kintarian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I would hope that you have the freedom to use whatever title you want to.
    
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morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I had a philosophy prof who said the title depends on the setting. If he were speaking at a conference, it’s Dr. If he was teaching at a school, it’s Professor.

If you’re in a setting where those titles aren’t relevant, don’t use them.

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driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Follow up question, a trans woman with a PhD can use Doctress as title?

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- vzq@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Canonically, no. But fucking go for it sister.
  
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EleventhHour@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you’re also a teacher, you get to use “Professor”

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- Apepollo11@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Only in the US and a select few other countries…
  
  In other places, ‘Professor’ is a specific academic rank - there’ll only be a few professors in a university.
  
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  - xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In those other areas there are plenty of other English titles you can use. “Instructor” is always fun!
    
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  - EleventhHour@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pardon me for the lack of nuance in my previous comment, but, yeah, this is what I was talking about.
    
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taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As others say, it’s not required and you very much can use other titles. Most stick with Dr because of how much time and effort and stress went into it, although I only use Dr. because with my first name it let’s me go by the name of a certain Simpsons character. “Hello, everybody!”

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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Hi Nick!
  
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litchralee@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So far as I’m aware, non-occupational pre-nominal honorifics inure to the individual, so generally speaking, if that person doesn’t want to use their title, they don’t have to. And in the same way that most people will go along with someone’s acquired honorific of Dr or Capt or whatever, the same should also apply if someone expressed that their honorific should not used. I have no citation for this, other than what I’ve seen in life.

As a sidenote, in Britain, I understand that medical doctors are able to use the pre-nominal of Dr, but surgeons specifically will drop the Dr and just use Mr. or Ms.

Apparently this stems from ages ago when surgeons did not have to have a medical degree, and the doctoral view was that surgeons were akin to butchers. This may have reflected the crudeness of early surgeries. As a result, surgeons developed a history of being Mr – it’s not clear if female surgeons also took on Mr. So after the various laws/rules changed so that surgeons also had to be doctors, they still kept the tradition of Mr.

Thus, a male student of medicine in the UK could go from Mr, graduate to Dr, and then graduate as a surgeon to Mr again. I have no citation for this either, but it’s plausible for the ardently traditional British nation.

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