Do you refrain from participating to a community if it's hosted on Lemmy.ml ?

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Blaze@feddit.org⁩ to ⁨newcommunities@lemmy.world⁩

Asking as there has been a few comments mentioning this with the new !stardewvalley@lemm.ee taking over !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for additional context on those recent events if you are interested

Also, an older post for more context on how lemmy.ml is managed: lemmy.world/post/16211417

Curious to hear other thoughts about this, as I’m trying to keep !simracing@lemmy.ml active, but might suggest to move it elsewhere if a lot of people prefer not to interact with lemmy.ml communities

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edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If there’s an overlapping or related community on another instance, I’ll avoid using the .ml version of that community

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athairmor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have the instance blocked. Nice thing about Lemmy, you can vote with your attention. When toxic bubbles pop up, you can ignore them en masse. Any collateral blocking doesn’t bother me. [insert Nazi party meme]

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Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
no, I’m subbed to many communities on .ml

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TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
That instance got blocked from me a while ago together with Hexbear.

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Varyk@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
yup, blocked that instance.

it’s controlled by one or a very small group of people, and none of the rules are followed.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They definitely dance to their own tune. And also require that you do as well. Oh and they do not tell you what that is.
  
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Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If the conversation is civil I’ll comment occasionally, but i don’t think I’d care if my instance defederated from then. They’re where a lot of tech related conversations are, sadly.

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- AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Tbh the bigger instances need to bite the bullet and defederate from .ml. There are alternatives to all the good comms on .ml, they just aren’t as active. Defederating would move a lot of users onto the alternatives and get some control back from the terrible .ml mods and admins.
  
  Banning people from multiple completely unrelated comms for something that happened in one comm is bullshit and they abuse the hell out of that. I refuse to participate in any .ml comm because of that.
  
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    But a lot of users on a lot of instances do not want to defederate, and thereby lose their communities that they want to receive content from, e.g. Firefox@lemmy.ml. First such communities need to be migrated, or at least new alternatives made, and then the barrier to walking away will be lower. Progress is being made though, even if only slowly:-).
    
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Snowpix@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Certainly. I have the entire instance blocked as their moderation, admins, and plenty of the users I’ve interacted with are unpleasant. It’s no Hexbear or Grad, but it’s enough that my experience is better without their communities.

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kinther@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
100% I do not want anything to do with .ml

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ZDL@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Whichever instance you choose, someone will have complaints about it. Personally I don’t have issues with .ml, but there are quite a few “tech”-oriented instances over which my trigger finger is itching on the site ban trigger.

It’s all a question of which subset of human stupidity you’re willing to deal with. Because all humans are stupid, we’re just different in how and where we express it.

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- Blaze@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  but there are quite a few “tech”-oriented instances over which my trigger finger is itching on the site ban trigger.
  
  Which ones? Lemmy.zip, lemdro.id, programming.dev?
  
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  - ZDL@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m not going to name them. The point of this isn’t to expose which instances I dislike, but rather to show that every instance has its fans and its antifans.
    
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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Okay but while everything has its downsides… not equally so.
  
  What if one day you were no longer allowed to discuss Linux? Or Teslas? Or whatever else the admins decided were now forbidden topics? Btw without telling you what those topics are. Also, if you even so much as accidentally mention the names of such, you lose access to the entire Fediverse from your account (on that instance).
  
  It doesn’t even matter what topic material the admins of lemmy.ml have decided to block - Russia, China, Ukraine, Uyghurs, Taiwan, North Korea, North Carolina, Israel, Palestine, Gaza, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that they have set themselves up as the arbiters of “truth(iness)” and ban anyone from every community across the entire instance, even those they have never even heard of.
  
  And then they dictate those rules - which again, are nowhere written down, plus not all that easy to guess at (let’s see… the USA does genocide, but Russia does too? no wait, Russia can do no wrong - that’s it! Oh shit, too late, already banned!:-P) - and hold all of the content on every community across the entire instance hostage to those rules.
  
  I came here from Reddit to get away from such. Oopsie, it’s here too.
  
  Do whatever you want, ofc :-) I just hope that I explained this position well enough to convey that nuanced take that some actions are worth holding apart from others. This isn’t merely a minor inconvenience imho - it’s a major breach of the principles that many of us came here to support in the Fediverse, cited as being free and open source, except apparently the set of rules are not open to be read anywhere at all.
  
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  - ZDL@ttrpg.network ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You know, before lecturing me you might want to check out which instance I’m coming in from.
    
    I said “I don’t have issues with .ml” … but I’m not coming in from a .ml account. So when I say “I have no issues with .ml” it’s in the context of the original question: do I refrain participating if the community is hosted on .ml.
    
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loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Personally, I don’t. I get from your story that you seem to have been abusively banned, and from the comments that it doesn’t seem like an isolate case. But while that might deter me from making an account there, or at most from having a community hosted there, it’s not like anything bad comes to me from merely interacting with .ml content. The only servers worth blocking in my opinion are those full of spammers, or of content I’d personally hate to see in any situation.

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- Blaze@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Interestingly enough, I don’t really have issues with lemmy.ml myself
  
  I never brought up political topics on any of their communities, so I am fine until now
  
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variants@possumpat.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have fomo so I don’t block anything. I’ll downvote and move on if I see something that I feel needs a downvote

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Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve declined the opportunity to Mod a community on lemmy.ml, which is really not like me.

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electric_nan@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Ah, the daily whinge-fest on Lemmy.world. In my 3 decades using the internet, I have never found online communities that are so consistently in opposition to US propaganda as the .ml’s and hexbear. .World is so militantly US-liberal it puts reddit to shame. You can find such opinions all over the internet, but real left wing politics are much rarer since you basically have to self-host them, unlike the corporate friendly liberal and fascist politics.

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Sunny@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
While I have not blocked the instance (yet), I purposely try not to post anything on any community hosted there and rather look for alternatives. Sometimes it’s easier to comment and or post on an ml instance due to it being larger in user size such as the !privacy@lemmy.ml vs !privacy@lemmy.world.

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southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Nah, IDGAF about it one way or another. You run into more jerks there than average, but that’s about it, so as long as block lists function, it’s all good

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Libb@jlai.lu ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I refrain from participating in and even from looking at any community that generates anxiety and/or anger, or that encourage or don’t oppose what I consider destructive or hostile behaviors. I consider time too precious to waste mine with the kind of persons who enjoy those things.

It is not related to any specific place, though. It’s mostly a question of the persons participating and of the moderators.

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Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I definitely try to avoid it. Whenever there’s an (active) alternative community available, I prefer that.

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shapis@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What’s wrong with lemmy.ml?

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- merthyr1831@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  US Democrat members get upset that the instance with 1600 users doesn’t agree with their opinions
  
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  - TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Literally everyone else: “It’s bad to arbitrarily arrest someone for criticising corruption and send them and their family to labour camps.”
    
    Tankies: “That’s just, your opinion, man.” ^mark ^^this ^^^person ^^^^for ^^^^^seven ^^^^^^years ^^^^^^^^in ^^^^^^^^^Siberian ^^^^^^^^^^gulag
    
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  - GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    There they are!!!
    
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  - Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    This is literally it. I hear so much hate towards .ml that I find it hard dtobelieve they are fanatics lol
    
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- ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As someone on .ml I really don’t think it’s that bad. Definitely left, and generally pro-China, but not too extreme imo. Hexbear is pretty bad. I’m a socialist and I disagree with a lot of the stuff there. But .ml is very much not a true “tankie” instance, in my opinion.
  
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    A lot of the issues people have with .ml are the practices of the admins.
    
    Though also when hexbear.net was defederated from so many instances, a lot of those users switched to using their Lemmy.ml alts - many are quite open about this fact - and just continued posting as they had done previously, despite that style being the very reason why hexbear.net had been defederated from.
    
    And when more instances - like lemmy.cafe - start defederating from Lemmy.ml, then those users will surely switch to alts on something like lemmy.world or Lemm.ee that are generally considered too large to be defederated from.
    
    A lot of innocent users get caught up in the cross hairs of this fight between tankies vs. anti-tankies. People using your instance as a platform to attack (e.g. brigade and otherwise spew forth toxicity) other instances, yet possibly behaving normally else wise inside the instance itself.
    
    Also, whether something is “extreme” or not depends on someone’s background context, and I would definitely say that the content on lemmy.ml is considered somewhat extreme for someone on America. Even/especially those who even consider themselves as “liberal”, not realizing yet what little that means on the international stage. The content is nowhere close to being as extreme as that from lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net, but far more so than e.g. Reddit or Mastodon.
    
    So I hope I have adequately conveyed that it’s not your fault in any way, you also expanding to mean all the other innocent users on lemmy.ml, but I wanted to convey that yes, I would defederate myself from your instance in a heartbeat if given half the chance. Possibly you won’t even mind:-), but you seemed interested, so I hope I helped by writing all this out.
    
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Anon518@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I block politics subs and have never had an issue with lemmy.ml. All the issues I see are related to politics.

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StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I generally don’t worry about communities. Either the community is well run or not.

Users, though. I’ll block trolls all day long. If I notice I’m blocking a whole bunch of users from the same instance, I’ll block the instance. So far that has only happened twice. Lemmygrad and feddit.ro.

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GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I think it’s generally best to host communities on politically neutral instances

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- ZDL@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  But there’s no such thing as “politically neutral”.
  
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  - GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What i mean is instances that aren’t catered to a political ideology regardless of the political leaning of it’s users. Like dbzer0, lemm.ee or sh.itjust.works.
    
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CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No. I self-censor a bit there, and prefer other instances so I don’t have to, though.

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threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Not exclusively, but I do think twice before posting to a community hosted there, and actively seek out alternatives if possible. The only two I haven’t found alternatives for are c/crows and c/freecad.

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- tal@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  crows
  
  There’s !corvids@sopuli.xyz, but it doesn’t have much activity.
  
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BonerMan@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I came to ani.social to avoid being federated with those brain rott morons.

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- demesisx@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Says the Zionist piece of shit, cheering on a genocide.
  
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  - BonerMan@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes.
    
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- basmati@lemmus.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m glad literal Nazis like yourself are choosing to self segregate. If you people would just do that in real life the world would be better.
  
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  - BonerMan@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    K. Go to lemmygrad and stay there in your totally not nazi bouble.
    
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Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Blocked the whole thing on my instance.

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IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No. People complaining about ml are exaggerating.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Pasting from another comment here:
  
  it is an issue that everyone commenting on every post across every community on that whole entire instance must essentially conform to all of their ideals - or else be banned from all of those communities, not merely the one with the “offensive” statement. You cannot say anything truthful about Russia, China, Ukraine, Uyghurs, Taiwan, Israel, Palestine, Gaza, etc. (if the admins disagree with what you said)
  
  Imagine if we were on Reddit and could not say “fuck spez”, or we were on Linux but for some reason were still forbidden to say “I prefer not to use Windows today, so thank you but no thanks”. Those communities on Lemmy.ml are held hostage to people if not agreeing then at least going along with whatever party line BS that the admins want to uphold. Moreover, at any time they could add whatever their wanted to that list.
  
  So it’s not about politics, per se, but their decision to become the arbiters of “truth(iness)” about everything across any community on their entire instance.
  
  Do whatever you want, but I hope it helped for me to explain that.
  
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steventhedev@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yes. I’ll read the content, but I try to avoid interacting.

Mind you, db0 himself is a tankie, although he doesn’t seem to insist on imposing that on the users or communities on his instance.

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- Blaze@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Db0 is more anarchist than tankie. Quite a few threads on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com complain about mod tripping from tankie mods or admins, they are still there. Shows that they don’t censor that topic, which is already an improvement
  
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- Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  db0 is many things, but a tankie is not one of them
  
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- merde@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  ? @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
  
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  - db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Dafuq? I thinks that prep just uses “tankie” interchangeably with radical lefty or something. Ie they don’t know what they’re talking about
    
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- LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They explicitly say they’re not and I’ve had a number of interactions that suggest otherwise. Where are you getting this idea from?
  
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Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No. I think .ml is becoming some kind of bogey man. At the end of the day I think any instance is gonna have its own slant and bias; which isn’t a problem for me, personally.

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Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Sometimes. The only people more insufferable than .world libs are .ml “leftists”.

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TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t refrain from participating in Lemmy.ml community unless the mods of that community act like the admins do. The majority of users aren’t my issue with Lemmy.ml at least on the non political communities, it’s the admin’s suppression of opposition

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- Ashtear@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  This succinctly covers my view on it as well. I think it’ll be more of a problem a few years down the road as statist admin culture begins to influence the mods of more instances, but for now I treat it on an instance-by-instance, user-by-user basis. I wouldn’t be surprised if majority of community leaders and users in general went to lemmy.ml simply because it was one of the larger instances last year and didn’t think much more of it than that.
  
  If I have a choice, though, I’ll still try to grow a community on one of the smaller instances simply because it’s still one of the largest ones, and that’s better for the health of the network.
  
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