I once turned that feature on thinking it was an actual backup (copies of my files in the cloud), I remember how angry I was when I found out it wasn’t a backup after all and just removed your files from your computer and only made them accessible online.
Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
Submitted 4 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
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seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 4 months ago
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re supposed to uncheck the save storage space and download files as you use them option.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re supposed to remove windows
seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 4 months ago
Ah yes, the classic Microsoft “what you really want is hidden behind a checkbox, otherwise you’ll get shit”.
The_v@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They made it the default option for businesses that routinely buy computers with less local storage than their users need. Pretty much every company I have worked for.
They then pushed it out hard into the consumer market when SSD came out and the average storage space on lower end models dropped by 75%.
I see why they did it, how they did it was in usual Microsoft fashion, idiotic.
It’s sort of their pattern.
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Introduce new changes.
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Screw it up royalty.
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Fix the features that are salvageable and revert most of the remaining except: Double down on the shitty ones that they think will make them more money.
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Rinse and Repeat
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HC4L@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This. Files uploaded locally should automatically be synced though.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You can see their strategy at work here.
It is possible to keep individual files on the local hard drive with different settings (that in my experience never seem to stick past updates).
The default, though, is to take everything on your computer off of your computer, put it into the cloud (their computer), and recommend you pick and choose which ones stay on your computer. In essence, they want you to think of your computer as secondary to their computer. An extension of it.
There is no “your computer”, it’s just the computer you happen to be logged into at the moment.
zingo@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Wtf!
Good thing I use to debloat windows 10 on a local account and got rid of onedrive before it could wreck havok so.
But got to be honest, Far as long as I can remember, I always had backup of important data. Encryption - client side if off to the cloud.
Shit I’m so old that I prefer my music on HDD instead of using streaming services.
Using Linux nowadays too BTW.
Fake4000@lemmy.world 4 months ago
First recall, then getting rid of local accounts, and now this.
Might shift back to Linux now.
variants@possumpat.io 4 months ago
What would be the final straw
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
For me? Recall. I’m ordering an SSD to dual boot Linux off of and ween myself off Windows as much as I can. Probably can’t remove it as long as I want to play games with friends, but I’d be happy to have my day to day be less awful.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“By involuntarily uploading your data to onedrive you also agree for it to be used in training AI models”
supercritical@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Checkmate, consumer.
Wooki@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Microsoft is getting desperate to steal your IP so they can train their AI.
Can someone sue the living shit out of them and start setting precedents please and thanks.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can someone sue the living shit out of them
Nope. All in EULA.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 4 months ago
IANAL and could be wrong, but it is not the case that the T’s&C’s we all have to agree to aren’t necessarily legally binding, because people can’t be expected to read and understand them all.
With that in mind, it doesn’t matter what the user agrees to if they have no practical alternative available to them.
Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 months ago
In civilized countries there is an understanding that noone is reading dozens of pages of terms of agreement, so any clause in there that is unexpected is automatically void. Expecting a software agreement to include rules not to distribute it further, break copy protection mechanisms etc. is normal so those terms are valid. But having all your data stolen is not something to be expected, hence invalid.
kandoh@reddthat.com 4 months ago
The c-levels are really sick of all these new features they’re adding and no one is using them because of silly reasons like “they don’t work good” or “I can’t even see the point of this for me”.
In their wisdom, they’ve taken the option to say no away from the users. Now they have a much easier time justifying their bonus this year, just look at how many users are using their new features!
PopShark@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah they’ll take that bonus and then dip to another company and get a big resignation party and golden parachute while the rest of us stare in amazement
/somebody who has worked at these types of companies
JamesFire@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Grammar is good and stuff
How dare you good grammar want
aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
The end can’t come soon enough.
Valmond@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is so fucking true.
Governed by an excel entry.
barsquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Begging people to subscribe to their own hardware will have increased results when they can show you your OneDrive is full. It probably will get them more money than it loses them. They are utterly thirsty for subscription revenue.
peetabix@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This has to be a massive GDPR violation?
OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 4 months ago
If I understand it correctly this behavior happens only for newly deployed computers if you sign in with Microsoft account so there are no unexpected uploads to OneDrive, only downloads of your existing files if you used this feature before.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 4 months ago
We get Windows 11 N
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Doesn’t the N mean it’s only media player, and codec free? If so, IoT LTSC is a much better bet for minimalism and privacy and bullshit free.
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Just a heads up, Windows 11 IoT LTSC is out, and it has none of M$'s bullshit you read about weekly. It can be tricky to find the .iso, so it would be a real shame if people wasted their time looking for it @ massgrave.dev
sodamnfrolic@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
It’s somehow even trickier to find a list of differences between them and regular win 11.
Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
It’s probably hard to keep up with lol. I’ll try my best. It has Edge and Defender ONLY. No cortana, copilot, recall, candy crush bloat or anything similar, .net, vcredist, edgeview/runtime, TPM requirement, online account, secure boot, store, xbox, winget, nor widgets.
You finish the install and it is BARE. All I do post install is, in regex and gpedit, turn off telemetry.
For my use, Steam installs all the .net and vcredist as needed.
Store and Xbox and the like are available to install via power shell or downloads, but fair warning. Once you do store or M$ account sign in, copilot and recall might find a way to sneak in via updates. None of them work, and error out when you open them, but the fact they install and exist makes me uneasy.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
bullshit like this is getting worse and worse and is why i moved away from windows.
throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Same. They’ve always done this shit, but installing windows - and then uninstalling or disabling all the cooked-in bloat and spyware - has become so ridiculously tiresome that I just said fuck it and went Linux full-time.
Every update is starts all over. There’s no such thing as a clean windows install.
Nobara was up and running in like ten minutes with no fuckery at all, and it’s no nice not having to fight my OS on everything.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
the constant cat and mouse game to disable the crap is something i dont miss.
perdvert@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
You game and if yes, ATI or Nvidia?
Tardil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What are you running? I tried Ubuntu as my daily driver and honestly found it’s user experience pretty shitty. Lots of little buggy issues with the interface and running a few games on steam that support Linux wasn’t great
umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
i’m running ubuntu. its flawless for me.
if you are running nvidia it might explain the little issues.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 months ago
It’s really a matter of would you rather:
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Deal with MS relentlessly jamming their garbage down your throat
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Become a sysadmin
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Lumisal@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Recently I’ve found Fedora based distros better than debian (like Ubuntu) based ones, especially on “newer” hardware (pcpartpicker.com/user/Hezio/saved/#view=TwZfpg)
For gaming Bazzite literally installs everything you need for you except Proton GE, although Steam’s regular Proton isn’t bad either for most games.
sfxrlz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Fedora and bluefin have been working quite well for me.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Its been their practice since the early 90s. Bundling and defaulting all their shitty apps, then making sure everything else has compatibility issues by design.
The worst thing to happen to Microsoft was the IETF. It shattered their walled garden and forced them to integrate with a host of other internationally developed and encoded systems through a uniform protocol. They’ve spent the last 30 years trying to claw their position of OS dominance back.
Zoldyck@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wtf is Microsoft doing?
meathorse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Phase one: force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.
Phase two: MS secretly (or not so secretly) use all this data to train copilot.
Human generated content to feed into ai systems is the new good rush
brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 months ago
force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.
If it’s made without any agreement from the user (hundred pages long EULA doesn’t count), time to GRPD the fuck out of them.
4am@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Rent seeking, theft/copyright infringement, walled garden you can’t escape (if Microsoft holds all your files good luck getting them back on Linux)
Microsoft needs to die.
RickAstleyfounddead@lemy.lol 4 months ago
Not secretly, Dropbox is currently doing that
PopShark@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh yeah the OneDrive over capacity thing happened to me with my Xbox Series X I was like “ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS I DONT WANT MY CAPTURES IN ONEDRIVE” but ya know Microsoft makes it hard for us
hopesdead@startrek.website 4 months ago
How to speed run your entire user base into hating you.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean - I’ve hated them since the 90’s. It’s not a speed run so much as a philosophy. The principles of BOGU.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
If it’s not stopping the user base from using it then they don’t care.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For starters, bulk copying a person’s documents without their approval sounds like mass copyright violation.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 4 months ago
If it’s a machine used for business: corporate espionage.
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Oh, that’s okay though, you signed them the rights to do that by having an account with them
… I’m sure is how they’ll spin it
bappity@lemmy.world 4 months ago
windows 11 has a onedrive sync service that is adjust impossible to disable even with group policy and all that.
tried to make a clean image of it that could be booted from the network. never again.
disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 4 months ago
also these idiots made onedrive folders mimic the original documents folder, also setting default to onedrive folder, so when i search for the downloaded content in my profile, documents i just WTF as its empty…
skyy@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
At this point, Microsoft is becoming an advertisement for Linux.
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Microsoft Data Theft as a Service
Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Had this happen to me some time ago. I hated it so much.
polle@feddit.org 4 months ago
Win10 ending, copilot and this shit. Finally pushed me over. Going to order a new ssd and install mint on my main rig.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So how many Windows refugees will end up fleeing to the Kingdom of Torvalds?
Asafum@feddit.nl 4 months ago
Microsoft is doing an amazing job
keeping me offselling windows 11!Keep up the great work!
Netrunner@programming.dev 4 months ago
Windows users are like abuse victims at this point.
No news is good news.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I just turned it off as it kept bitching about the storage being full.
I don’t need you bish, fuck off.
IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 4 months ago
So, yeah. What’s a good Linux distro for stable diffusion and programming?
card797@champserver.net 4 months ago
I have to use Outlook for work. It is so annoying to have to avoid the one drive attachment option everytime I attach a file to an email. Nobody wants to be forced to deal with that crap.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 4 months ago
And this is why nobody trusts windows
ViscloReader@lemmy.world 4 months ago
😬yuck
PopShark@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Microsoft just seems to be trying various methods of shooting itself in the foot.
I guess maybe they really didn’t learn from the 80s/90s….
Magrath@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
How do I get banned from OneDrive? Upload shit tons of garbage to clog their drives? I know they could probably add more space faster than I can upload but it would still make me happy to slowly feed them useless files that only take up space.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
That would only work if you log in with a Microsoft account.
Nobody I know does that.
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This bullshit was basically my first experience with Windows 11 when I got a new PC last year. Literally, “Why is my internet so slow? What’s this OneDrive thing? Oh, holy shit fucking stop Jesus Christ!”
Just automatically started uploading literally everything on my hard drive to an account I didn’t set up, without even a prompt telling me it was happening, and no obvious way to make it stop. I didn’t even know Windows had added a cloud storage option. I literally had to uninstall OneDrive to finally make it stop.
I might have liked having a native backup service in Windows if it was like, “Hey look at this handy cloud storage tool we’ve added to Windows! Would you like to pick some files to save?” But as it is, it might as well just be another piece of spyware.
There’s a big long list of reasons why I hate Windows 11, but this OneDrive shit is the thing that’s making me think maybe it’s time to ditch Windows for good.
Prox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The extra fun part is when it starts bitching at you for filling up the cloud storage allotment that you didn’t know you were using.
Shellbeach@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Or when it actually deleted the local files once it uploaded them to one drive. Fun times.
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thankfully I noticed what was going on before it got to that point, but when they start vacuuming up all your files and data like that without telling you and without giving you control over it, you kind of have to assume that whatever is going on is not being done for your benefit.
lath@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The extra extra fun part is to then offer you the opportunity to pay for bigger storage!
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’d be hilarious if they did that but your paid for space was too low so they had to cut you off but they had already taken the liberty to delete the files before they synched
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What’s the big deal? Microsoft security is top notch. They totally didn’t get p0vvN3d by russia basically twenty minutes ago and have their source code stolen.
It’s why the US gummit is so happy to use micro$quash services.
And y’know even then, who cares if all your data is stolen by state-sponsored cyber crime groups, y’know? M$ has spared no expense to ensure all that data is secured end-to-end with unbreakable encryption even microsoft can’t read! (snkk) Even if they wanted to!
It’s not like they’ve tricked everyone into being data cattle for their giant cloud-ranching operation, to shovel everything into AI and sell the results to anyone at the highest price possible. I mean. We’d have heard something about that if it was the case.
wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 4 months ago
To be fair, the DOD uses a different version of Windows than you, me, or any average company, with a custom set of agreements with Microsoft, a bunch of debloating of Windows-specific apps and the addition of a bunch of military/government apps.
Sho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Mean while on windows 10, they are forcing updates with a creepy splash screen when you boot up. Can’t exit, can’t stop it, basically held hostage. This was on my old surface pro 4. Then the update screwsed everything up and I had to do a system restore…shits bad 👎
Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I’ve installed Linux on my dad’s surface 2. He’s more than happy, I bassicaly could’nt do anything with it because how slow Windows had became.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Oh god, you reminded me. I had a run in with this recently because my parents got new laptops. 1TB hard drive, should be plenty right? NO! My mom had 15GB of files in her home folders and One Drive was whining constantly to pay them for more space.
It was about an hour of debugging to keep the files safe, extract One Drive from the home folder locations because it had dug in like a virus, and then (after 20 online searches and scouring forums) click the specific toggle in the specific menu to disable One Drive so it would use local files.
I paid for a 1TB computer, why are you forcing me to use your shitty online-only limited-space shit show. Fucks sake.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I was having a conversation in another thread a few days ago about the legality of completely fictional AI child porn and how that may be a safer outlet for those individuals as it involves no harm.
It’s legal in many countries, but also not legal in many countries.
In USA federal law says as long as its not obscene or has serious value its allowed, but really, good luck with those clauses. Then it says, it’s also legal unless it’s been transmitted by a common carrier, e.g mail, internet.
So, someone might be legally making their own CP so they don’t need to cause any abuse, and then Windows without their permission, uploads it to OneDrive.
You know the person making fictional CP would be the one thrown in jail for transmitting it over a common carrier, but maybe we should throw Microsoft in jail for doing that without permission and fucking is all over, over and over and over again with all this bullshit
crank0271@lemmy.world 4 months ago
…wut
letsgo@lemm.ee 4 months ago
“fictional AI CP” isn’t a thing. AI is trained on existing data. It does not create new stuff. If you want AI to generate CP then you have to train it on CP.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 months ago
yea well there is no way to guarantee that AI wont spew out CP where the child there looks exactly like a child that it has seen in its training set, i.e a child that really exists. so no go
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wait, what?
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean specifically a cloud storage account. Setting up the computer required me to supply an email address and set a password for microsoft.com. There was nothing in that process that I recall mentioning OneDrive, or that would have suggested every file on my C drive was about to be indiscriminately uploaded to a Microsoft server somewhere. I didn’t even know OneDrive was a thing until I had to google how to stop it.