Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much

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• Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do you know what the word ‘liberal’ actually means

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  • menemen@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This discussion is funny from a German pov, as our local liberal party (the FDP) is pretty right wing.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Liberalism can be right wing or left wing.

      Eh. Its traditionally in that “economically conservative, socially liberal” pocket, wherein you can do whatever you want so long as you’ve got enough passive income.

      Fascists tend toward a more rigid social caste system (ideologically) wherein being rich isn’t enough to save you from state violence. That’s a big part of its popular appeal, particularly when liberal institutions decay into kleptocracies.

      Traditional Marxism tends toward the social egalitarianism that fascists can’t stomach (race mixing, gender equality, and worker internationalism) while advocating full public ownership that liberal rent-seekers can’t stomach.

      So, in the modern political spectrum, liberals tend to be “centrists” who use their economic influence to rent out social egalitarianism. Fascists tend to be “right wing”, advocating for those same private entities to purge themselves of unpopular social groups. And Marxists tend to be “left wing”, advocating for an abolition of rents and a full egalitarian economy.

      But if you go back a century (or move over to a country that’s more left or right leaning) the colonial era monarchies and theocracies end up forming the right-wing pole, while fascists join liberals at the social center, and Marxists join a much more lively native anarchist community that’s in its last-gasp efforts to resist colonial occupation.

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    • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s because liberalism in Europe is mainly “liberty” for rish people to do what they want

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    • Sidyctism@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are they? I would say the CDU under Merz is more likely to work with the AfD

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  • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Open-minded, permissive, tolerant

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    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It means you support capitalism, hence why “liberalization of the economy” means selling off public utilities, land, and resources.

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    • Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Look rather than dunk on you, I’m going to recommend Mike Duncan’s Revolutions podcast, because it gives a fair overview of what the liberal revolutions were about, why socialism grew out of that moment, and how there came to be this irreconciliable beef between liberalism and socialism. The whole thing is great, but 1848 is the real crisis point if all you care about is the schism.

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    • Neon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t know why you’re being downvoted.

      Liberal literally means free. As in “If it doesn’t harm me, you’re allowed to do it”. So yes, openminded, permissive, tolerant.

      Don’t know why a lot of the US-Americans had to twist the meaning of it.

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    • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “I apply my butter liberally.”

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• Woozythebear@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can tell this was made by a salty neo lib

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  • queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s really funny how no one really likes liberals but liberals.

    Conservatives: “They’re too freedom loving for my tastes! Why can’t they just stay and home and be good corporate stooges like us?” Auth-Communists: “They claim to like freedom but still willingly use the capitalist forces to oppress who they like. Liberals are okay with personal freedom until it impacts the white moderates. That’s our job!” Anarchists: “It’s literally weird to call yourself a liberal when all they do is oppose any movement against the status quo. If they can’t convert them to sell away their soul to the state or capitalism, they’re terrorists. They’re more like conservatives than any actual progressives, and even progressives admit 100% capitalism isn’t great.” Libertarian capitalists: “They claim to be for freedom but constantly require the state to check in on if people are enjoying their freedom like that Nanny’s they never had. I just wanna grill for god’s sake!”

    Like it’s just funny to me no matter where you are on the political spectrum, you have a somewhat decent reason to hate liberals (except conservatives are too stupid to tell liberals apart from “commies”).

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  • Melkath@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    "My party is committing genocide and lost all of its credibility and ethos. Boo hoo."

    At least they aren't using the word "progressive" anymore.

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  don’t usually agree on that much

  Where have you been the last 8 years

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  • queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah Tankies/AuthComs are just such an odd mixture of accelerationists, “own the libs” and just general stupidity of “a strong man makes strong men” bullshit that they support any fascist if it means maybe someday they might not be on the chopping block.

    If Tankies were an actual voting bloc they’d be somewhat impactful for the first time since maybe 1949. That would imply going outside however.

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    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• oatscoop@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • egonallanon@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am the only true leftist. The rest of you are posers and/or feds.

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    • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      look, tankies aren’t leftists, they are fascists wearing the skin of the lefties they killed

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    • cook_pass_babtridge@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey, I’m neither of those. I’m an op!

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Other Kind of Leftists

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    • mamotromico@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Please tell me this tweet isn’t real

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Would him putting on the Darth Vader armor be an analogue to many “toxic” leftists using doxxing sites dominated by the far-right to try and ruin the lives of people that aren’t 100% into Stalin?

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      putting on the Darth Vader armor

      doxxing sites dominated by the far-right

      Yes. Becoming an unkillable cyborg space wizard and outting someone paying for a message board full of Nazi copypasta are the same.

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• mino@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I ‘am’ an anarcho-communist and I don’t like libtards. Libtards to me are ‘progressive capitalists’ that have no systemic insight what so ever and think all it takes to bring upon heaven on earth is to try and be nice.

  You are not going to soy latte your way outta this my dudes.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t like libtards.

    You can just call them liberals. You don’t need to meld the term to a slur.

    I mean, you should try and be nice obviously

    By shaving the first two letters off an r-bomb? Come on, guy. I get what you’re saying, but this is an awful way to phrase it.

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    • blaine@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      r-bomb? I had to do a double-take. Are we not allowed to call removed people removed anymore? LOL

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  • BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Friend I’m not a friend of liberals myself but can we please not use ableistic terms that end with “-tard”?

    Reserve that shit for the right wing

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    • mino@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok, even though I know this will make no difference to ‘you people’ (sorry just cannot help myself xD).

      In this case I choose to use this specific word because it’s so obviously a dogwhistle for right wing extremists that in the context of this meme I think it’s funny, since my actual stance is neither authoritarian or rightwing.

      I don’t seriously mean to perpetuate negative stereotypes with regards to people with mental handicaps.

      Just as a curiosity, are you by any chance from the US? I see this cannot imagine anyone from Europe making such a big deal about a joke like this, let alone use the term ableist.

      I guess my brain has just rotted as a result of a few decades of being on the internet. Inside i’m still an edgy teen apparently. No actual offense meant :)

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    • blaine@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tards are gonna tard. Thanks for the laugh.

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  • Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    > is anarcho-communist

    > accuses others of lacking systemic insight

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    • mino@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m unsure what you mean by this. Would you be willing to elaborate?

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Libtards

    Is a right wing fascist term. I don’t think you’re an anarcho-communist. I think you’re a right wing pretending to be leftist to try to suppress the Democratic vote. You guys have tells.

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• rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lmao check out all the salty libs seeing themselves get called out in these comments.

  • sincerely, an anarcho-syndicalist

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  • Baahb@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pretty much. “Lol why don’t you like libs?”

    …cause we don’t like things the way they are, and the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress. Maybe we are allowed relief from existing problems, but fuck you if you wanna fix em!

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress.

      “Liberal” in America is literally synonymous with “progressive”. The entire point of the party is progress.

      @Cowbee@lemmy.ml here’s another one

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• LoveSausage@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleed…

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Authoritarian Communist

    I see this term used so often from the lofty reaches of some national news rag or echoing out of a Senate star chamber. The CEO is stamping it into an EULA, as an irrevocable term of service. The corporate union-buster is putting it up in 120 point font in a company wide mandatory power point presentation. The evangelical minister is denouncing it from the pulpit as part of a catechism call-and-response. The nosey neighbor is whispering it into the phone, hoping a SWAT team will remove someone from the block. The police holding you face down in a bucket of water are screaming it in your ears.

    Beware the authoritarian communist. Beware the tankies. Beware the Chinese / Russian / Venezuelan social terrorists, fifth columnists, and outside agitators. Beware the college kid in the Che Guevera t-shirt. Beware the Anti-American. Whatever you think we might be doing to you now, they’ll be ten times worse.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s just a more politically correct way to say tankie.

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  • FlickeringScreens@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    scratch.mit.edu ?

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Usually because it’s a fascist doing the scratching, so the liberal punches him

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    • Crikeste@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What an absolutely childish and moronic way or rewriting history. Typical lib.

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• MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d say they both agree on the main point of both philosophies “everyone has to follow every ridiculous rule I come up with except me”

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  • queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Conservatives, fascists, and Auth-Communists just disagree on what color the flag should be, and the name of the party in charge handing out the police to dispatch onto the people.

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• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tell me you don’t hang out with anarchists without telling me…

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  • Hedlosa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or marxists even lol

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  • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Everyone left of Biden (a rightwinger) is a tankie, isn’t this obvious?

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    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      no, everyone right of Bernie is a fascist

      didn’t you get the memo

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• ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  wait until you learn about fiscally liberal vs socially liberal.

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• PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lib bashing in left spaces is the mating cry of the tanky

  It might be cathartic every so often, but too much makes the wrong people feel safe.

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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Liberals do not belong in left spaces, left is literally defined by anticapitalism.

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, left is defined by liberalism. Anti-capitalism is far right authoritarian bull shit.

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• go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Authoritarian” would require that we, you know, have some authority. Which we don’t.

  Neolibs do. And they just used it to arrest a bunch of students and people protesting against a genocide.

  You all project so fucking hard it’s ridiculous.

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  • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Authoritarian” would require that we, you know, have some authority.

    No, it would require you to support the idea that there should be some authority telling people what they should be doing. Which you do.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s pretty much every non-anarchist ideology then, no?

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    • go_go_gadget@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol okay bud. Then tell me how you justify 44 Democrat senators, 36 Republican senators and Joe Biden working together to block the rail strike? I can’t wait to observe your abilities as a mental contortionist.

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• BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I will not stand for this anarchist erasure

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s more that OP seems unable to fathom anyone to the left of them being both rational and uncool with liberalism. That’s why they specifically said “Authouritarian Communists,” the SpOoKiEsT LeFtIsTs.

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• PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism, free markets, representative democracy, legal rights and state monopoly on violence. It includes a large portion of the present day political spectrum, from the centre-left social democrats to the far-right conservatives and American libertarians.”

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  • sunbytes@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That is… a lot of people

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes. Liberalism is the dominant ideology in the World today.

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• bstix@feddit.dk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Secret lovers.

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• Godric@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Who doesn’t hate those dang rightwingers, The Liberals?

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  • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    to be fair, the word “liberal” has lost its meaning in the US, because there no differentiation between economic liberalism and social liberalism. the guy in the meme would be a classic socialist in europe. we do have liberals here too, but they are the economic liberalism-type and more in line with the US-Republicans in economic questions, like tax cuts for the rich and businesses.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a huge differentiation between social and economic liberalism! Liberals in the US means almost exclusively social liberalism. Liberal in the us is progressivism.

      Economic liberalism is a Republican position, not a Democrat one.

      @Cowbee@lemmy.ml I promise this is the last one, I’ve made my point

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re confusing liberalism with social progressivism, and leftism with social programs.

    At the end of the day, Capitalism is right wing, Socialism is left.

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    • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      👍

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  • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    yes but you don’t participate in riots and vote for joe biden instead of third party, therefore you are no better than transphobes

    /s if it wasn’t obvious

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  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just throw workers owning the means of production on there and we’ve got a stew real progressive.

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• Baahb@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Op, are you in the US?

  In the US, the choices for voting are Republican and Democrat.

  Which of these parties is “liberal?”

  The argument being made when non conservatives dislike liberals is when the liberals in question align with the Ds, because the Ds have every interest in pushing vaguely progressive policies during elections and never actually follow through in office.

  Remember student loans? Still out there Remember universal healthcare? Still gotta pay for insurance Remember tax reform? Still paying higher rates than people who can’t conceivably spend all of their money.

  The primary goal of the Dems when in power is to maintain power. Fuck those guys. Not quite as hard as Republicans, but it stands.

  Signed, Not a fucking tankie

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Democrats tried to fix all those things but were blocked by Republicans in Congress and on the Supreme Court. And that is Democrats fault somehow? Give us more numbers, we’ll get you more results.

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    • Baahb@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I vote D because I have no other valid choice. When Obama was in the president seat, he had both houses of congress and only managed to get the aca. Don’t get me wrong, telling insurance they have to cover preexisting conditions is a good thing, but only by the standard that we are required to use insurance anyways. We need single payer.

      Don’t misquote me. I don’t think D and R are the same thing. I know that I suffer less under D leadership than R, however, things only actually ever seem to move further right. For example, why are we throwing college kids in jail for stating the obvious: that supporting the massacre of civilians is heinous? I think that D and R are playing the same game, Power, and the little people who aren’t rich are the ones paying their dues.

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• fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Almost like AuthComs are authoritarian before they are communist, and thus have more in common with the American Fascist Party than any actual leftists.

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• vinyl@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I use lib for shared objects.

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• Iamthepurpleguysport@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nice

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• hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When the horseshoe becomes a circle…

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• glouriousgouda@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do any of them know what the >word “liberal” actually means?

  No. Most barely know what a “word” is.

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