Videos are a terrible way to communicate small amounts of information and these comments aren’t super insightful so I guess I’ll just move on.
Why people are boycotting Asus all of a sudden? Asus outrage explained
Submitted 6 months ago by Dragxito@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://youtu.be/tgFQgAcsmTE?si=XAUBgPt1WCIJRLYo
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scottywh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Videos are the most monetizable way to communicate small amounts of information.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
A 10-12 minute video is always a huge red flag for me. Either the info is stretched out or over compresses.
Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
My ROG Strix main board somehow didn’t support(?, idk what word would be accurate) Microsoft .NET Try using Windows with that. (That is intact why I used Linux for the first time) After a year or so I got tired of .NET not working and switched out my main board(to MSI). Everything worked perfectly fine since then. I don’t even know how that’s even possible
vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I refuse to believe there is a ROG board that “doesn’t support .NET”, even if that phrase weren’t already borderline nonsensical.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I’m old enough to remember when ASUS was viewed as one of the best hardware manufacturers you could go with.
It has been a long, slow decline for ASUS. They really manufactured their own demise here.
uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Not in a place to watch the video, what’s the tl;dw?
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Puts out defective products then misleads consumers to think they have voided their warranty so they can’t get a replacement for said defective products.
There’s more too it but that’s the main thing that made people turn on them.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
The usual. Hardware quality slowly goes to shit, company starts getting tricksy with consumers to make money instead of making quality product.
The big one was the BIOS update that nearly fried a lot of 670 motherboards that ASUS turned around and tried to avoid taking responsibility for, trying to pin issues on the consumer.
It’s capitalists being capitalists. Completely ruining their brand to squeeze out a short term 1% increase in revenue.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sending out defective boards, then refusing RMAs for said defective boards. They basically go “You voided the warranty by opening it, lul git fukd loser.”
Never mind the fact that (unless the board is visibly broken somehow) you’d need to open it and plug shit in to test it. So there would be no way to test it without voiding the warranty. It’s a catch-22 in action.
The truly shitty part is that using the board doesn’t void the warranty. But ASUS is claiming the people trying to RMA all have voided warranties. If it were only one or two, then yeah it may be scammers trying to avoid losing money after roasting a board. But it quickly turned into a Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario, where nobody is believing ASUS anymore because they’re basically just blanket denying every single warranty RMA.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Enshittification
You999@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The problem with asus was all the engineers who cared went to asrock when they split. For those who don’t know, asrock started life as a subsidiary for asus to cover the low end and OEM markets. There used to be a lot of shared engineering between the two companies but there started to be some bad blood between each other as asus was releasing server hardware and asrock was releasing enthusiasts hardware. Ultimately it was decided since neither side wanted to stop stepping on the others toes they would let asrock fully separate from asus as a company and let the market decide things. Ironically that only lasted for three years before the majority stake was bought up by Pegatron, a company owned partially owned by asus…
XEAL@lemm.ee 6 months ago
So ASUS is now becoming as (un)reliable as ASRock.
Landless2029@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is really sad.
My main machine is running a Asus motherboard. 12 years old and still games fine.
tyler@programming.dev 6 months ago
When was that? I don’t think I’ve ever viewed them as anything except junk and I had an asus laptop in 2007 or 8.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I remember them being quality in the 90’s and early 2000’s, but 2008 tracks for about when their products first began to take a downturn.
wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
I hate ASUS. Used to be way in on them – well not way but relatively. I had the ASUS ROG Phone. The screen unfortunately broke and needed to be sent into service. More unfortunate, it was just about 1 month out of warranty.
So I get it set up to send it. ASUS charges me $300 for the phone screen replacement. It took over 8 months for them to get it back to me. When the phone finally did arrive, the RGB lighting didn’t work, the NFC didn’t work, and the screen itself had an orange hue in the upper right corner. To boot, it would only connect to AES Wi-Fi networks, so I can’t even use it without a SIM card because who the fuck uses AES. They didn’t even fucking fix it properly. I never got responses, sending e-mails for months after it was finally returned to me.
Now, in this time I was really patient. I was using a temporary phone. Around month 5, I just needed a new phone and was looking into the newly released ROG Phone 2. I figured the ROG 1 would still get plenty of usage as a spare device. Well I had the ROG 2 until AT&T decided that the phone didn’t have the supported bands anymore, so my >1 year old phone is now as effective as an iPod 3g. Just 6 months later, screen itself just died, no fall, no nothing. I can use SCRCPY to use it, the screen just doesn’t work. I really, really tried to give them a shot and the benefit of the doubt.
Now, in between these ~2 years I’d accumulated a few accessories for the phones, keycaps and backpacks. Just little things – ngl, the bag and the keycaps are still really good quality. I also decided to upgrade my PC, and was looking at a nice new motherboard to rebuild my existing PC with.
So I get the ASUS B550 or something like that. Stupidly bought it from Newegg, first time. The motherboard arrives and upon building the computer I just cannot get it to POST. I reach out to the 2 likely culprits, the PSU and the MoBo. EVGA sends me an entirely new PSU, free of charge, and tells me not to bother shipping it back. ASUS on the other hand would not accept that the motherboard could have been the point of failure! And when I FINALLY was able to fully prove that every single component in the board works EXCEPT the MoBo, they told me to take it up with where I purchased it from, Newegg. So I would get to pay some ~20% restocking fee on a broken motherboard, instead of the manufacturr just replacing a defective board. Oh, the best part? The motherboards USB-3.0 header was broken, came right off when trying to plug it in. No wonder it wouldn’t POST.
Fuck you, ASUS. Fuck your shitty warranty, your awful customer support, your horrible treatment of customers who put their trust into you. I will never support ASUS again and I will always vehemently suggest anyone else. It’s really, really simple to be a good OEM, all it takes is replacing things that break. ASUS treats every single customer like a scammer who is trying to get free stuff out of them, which IMO just goes to show that’s exactly the mindset ASUS has as well.
I still have the motherboard btw. If anyone knows how to repair a USB-3.0 header I’ll either be glad to be guided through a repair or I’ll just send it to you for cost of shipping. It’s just going to sit in my garage otherwise.
sebinspace@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Going to corroborate this with that I had a really similar experience with my old Sabertooth 990FX board. Was supposed to support Bulldozer, and they put out a BIOS update the night before Bulldozer launched. I grabbed the update, put it on a flash drive, and updated the board. It would never post after that. RAM, CPU (FX6100), graphics card were all reseated multiple times. Never even gave post beeps, so there wasn’t even a hint as to what was going on. Even tried a different PSU just to be safe.
ASUS told me to get shafted because they could guarantee I updated the BIOS safely.
CompUSA exchanged it with a pre-updated board, no questions asked.
I fucking miss. That. Store.
Agrivar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m still so bummed about EVGA leaving the graphics card market! My 2070 super still runs fine, thankfully, but it’s getting a bit long in the tooth.
wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Yeah EVGA were my go-to. I have a 1660, 2070s, and 3080 all from them.
In fact they have been my only GPU manufacturer. I don’t know what I’ll do for the future.
bigpEE@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Reattaching the connector is relatively easy. But unless the pcb itself is really mangled, a missing connector won’t affect the computer POSTing. Can you send a closeup of where the connector should be?
wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
It’s in my garage at the moment, but from memory (it’s been a year or two now) the USB-3.0 header straight up fell off. The PCB should be fine, which is why I have a feeling that I could likely just resolder it, so long as the pads themselves on the PCB were ok.
I’ll see if I can find some time this week to dig it out and share a photo, thank you for the offer!
riodoro1@lemmy.world 6 months ago
the RGB lighting
Wait… what?
wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Lol, yeah. The ROG line of phone has an RGB backlight with the ROG logo.
Honestly, I liked it. Could be configured to per-app notifications, and could be synced to other phones that had it. Not that I ever got to use this feature, it was returned to me BROKEN! lol
drathvedro@lemm.ee 6 months ago
This is a terrible video. 20 minutes just to say “bad customer support”. But then, who does nowadays?
On a sidenote, the pearl, the jewel I got from their CS is “WeLL I gUeSs tHiS LaPtOP oNlY sUpPoRtS ThReE ScReEnS iN tOtAl”. Bitch! This laptop has 3 separate video outputs! And 2 screens built-in! The fuck is 3 total? Besides, it totally worked until some botched update on their side…
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I miss the activeness of the r/saveAClick community.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 6 months ago
You can have more video outputs than your machine can actually use simultaneously, that’s a fairly normal characteristic. It allows you to have a greater variety of output port types without needing more framebuffers inside the GPU. If an update bricked it then it’s not that specific characteristic obviously. Probably it’s the fault of the GPU manufacturer issuing a bad update that they then repackaged.
drathvedro@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Maybe you’re right, but I haven’t seen a GPU that doesn’t have at least 4 distinct outputs in a while, not that I’d expect one in a machine of this class either. The problem, if I were to guess, is that this machine has AMD iGPU with Nvidia dGPU and a switchable MUX on top of that so it could boot with(or without) either as primary. That’s like three points of failure already. On top of that, I had the main panel cracked and badly malfunctioning, so I’ve removed it, just in case, for about a month while I waited for replacement. I guess some firmware update did not expect the main panel to be missing(or to have different s/n) during update and did something stupid to the mux setting that made it so that two outputs can’t be active simultaneously. I’ve tried to reach someone half-competent at ASUS for like a couple months, then just said “fuck it” and installed linux. Now living happily with 6 displays up and running, theoretically up to 9 if I do some output splitting shenanigans. Someday I’ll actually build that setup just to dunk on that rep who told me it could only handle 3.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been largely unaware of a lot of these things going on with Asus but the other day I was reading up on Armoury Crate, which Asus integrates as a hardware level rootkit on many of their motherboards. That is absolutely goddamn absurd. Bloatware baked right into the hardware itself? I cannot express how scummy and disrespectful to your customers that is.
I’m very glad I picked no Asus parts for my latest build.
IHawkMike@lemmy.world 6 months ago
darganon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I saw this headline and immediately thought “ArmouryCrate is the reason”
I certainly avoid ASUS stuff after discovering that piece of nonsense on my new install.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I didn’t even know that. Fuck.
MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wtf?
What about MSI? Do they do this shit too?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I had an msi board in my father’s build, and as I eyeing hardware upgrades I decided to get some more life out of it by adding some memory and updating the bios, as it was quite old. After the bios update, it never booted again. The upgrade tool said it was the correct file, that it was installed successfully, and that I just needed to reboot. Their flashback system? Didn’t work. Researching, it was apparently a KNOWN PROBLEM that msi just shrugged off, and several boards from that era would die after an update. No apology, no resolution, not even an admission of guilt. Because of that fuck up, proprietary software that my father used for business finances, wouldn’t activate on a new machine - the company shutdown the activation servers, and it required hardware checks, and there was no work around. The new program? Unable to read the old file format. We lost access to 20 years of tax/receipt records.
MSI is blacklisted for me, my family, friends, and anyone who I perform IT services for. I don’t give 2 fucks if the hardware is 80% cheaper and 200% better. Fuck you, they fucked perfectly good hardware, my reputation, and if we ever get audited we’re fucked. Eat shit and die, MSI.
starman@programming.dev 6 months ago
At least it’s exclusive to Windows
TIMMAY@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why people are writing statements as questions?
iquanyin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
why don’t you tell me?
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, why don’t you tell me?
Cerothen@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
LLM AIs think any sentence that starts with who what where when, why or how is a question.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s not all of the sudden Gamer Nexus dropped them as a sponsor and tore them a new one months ago.
They don’t care about their customers. They just want your money.
Crowd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The video linked is not the original.
This is the original - youtu.be/oHH9_CDHz94
yamanii@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So OP is a thief even!
StunningGoggles@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Shit, if Asus is no good anymore, what brand is good nowadays?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
MSI is still on the come up. Can’t think of a bad component they’ve released in many years.
ASRock is always rock solid.
Gigabyte seems to be making a comeback.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
It’s funny, ASRock went from a company I’d never fucking heard of to one of the top names in the space. I used to be like “what’s this no-name brand?” and now I’m like “Oh ASRock, I know them.”
Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
NZXT just started expanding on making components, and has really feature stuff. One to watch, though higher-end.
NZXT has always been some really mediocre stuff at ridiculous markup, I don’t have literally any faith in this statement
Hubi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
+1 for MSI. I’ve bought GPUs from them for 10+ years and never once had a failure or even minor issue. Got a lot of mileage out of the GTX 1080 I bought in 2016.
HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I liked ASrock when they were in the ECS tier of quirky and weird. Got a Socket 939 board with the ULi M1695 chipset that was really nifty.
Then I had an awful experience with an AM3 board that claimed to run a FX-8350, until they edited their support list.
I grudgingly chose them for AM5 because it was $50 cheaper for the featured I wanted, and it’s been okay, aside from me breaking the x16 slot clip due to hamfistedly removing a shipping-container sized GPU.
StunningGoggles@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Thanks! This will be helpful next time I have to upgrade my PC
Dragxito@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Msi Lenovo I think
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lenovo is now garbage aside from their Enterprise model offerings. The consumer level stuff is just reduced to junk now.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is troubling. I’ve been using ASUS motherboards for a very long time. I haven’t noticed any problems in the last 3 systems I built, but I also usually go for the workstation type motherboards instead of gaming motherboards, so I can use ECC RAM and dispense with the LED bling I don’t need or want. I wonder if they are still putting enough effort into the business/workstation stuff that it’s not having too many quality issues yet. I hope they can turn this around, because the list of quality PC parts manufacturers is growing smaller all the time.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have always had issues with ASUS. Their parts have never really worked well for me, and if they did they only lasted a year or two before shitting out. Everyone else seemed to swear by them and I could never even get a part that worked.
Dragomus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Years ago I happily used some Razer mice and keyboards, even a headset, so in the not too far past I told people around me that Razer was fairly good, quality wise, but alas, I think each and every one I recommended Razer products to had them break and or die well within warranty, and they always had to start a stupid discussion to get the warranty/RMA accepted, a few times even replacements denied outright by Razer.
For me this stands in sharp contrast with Logitech whom has never denied me a warranty, even for products a few weeks beyond the date, and they generally just send out a new item. That is, for me it is rare for a Logitech product to actually require replacement to begin with, I have a few mice, keyboards and headsets far older than 5 years and they work fine plus are still supported in the drivers.
Speaking of drivers, Razer at one point also made the decision to have their drivers require an account login to function properly (multi-button mice would only have 2 functional buttons if not logged in etc). But after some flak from its users it slightly changed that to the login being optional, but profiles would still be hampered without a continuous online presence.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
their enshittification is sad.
they were always my go to for quality motherboards. oh well.
psycocan@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I feel the same argument applies to many other brands already including lenovo and sadly the thinkpad lineup.
Some others are contributing to the same trend by increasing prices and buidling cult fandom.
kinther@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I must be in the minority here because I’ve never had major issues with ASUS products, though the caveat here is I have only used their motherboards. I’m using an x570-PLUS right now and it has been solid since purchase.
yamanii@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Dude has 35 subs, is this your own account?
masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Shit video OP
108@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I ordered a board from Asus last year. FedEx delivered it to the wrong place. Delivery picture was at some apartment somewhere. They gave me so much shit. I had to go to my bank to help me get my money back. Took over a month.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
When the imposter is ASUS!
FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve had two ASUS gaming laptops, and both of them began having issues within a year, and the second didnt last more than a couple years total.
The first laptop was one of their enormous ROG 17 inch gaming laptops that looked like it had jet engine exhaust. The hard drive died and the power port broke within the first year, and I had to send it in under warranty. The power brick also died, and I ended up having to replace it myself around the 3 year mark.
Thinking it was a fluke, I ended up buying a smaller, more portable ASUS gaming laptop next which had more of a standard form factor. Maybe six or eight months later, that one suffered some issue that required being sent in for service as well. It began experiencing the same issue about four months later, I’d sent it in for repair a second time for the same issue, and they apparently fixed it.
I got to use that laptop for maybe 1.5 years total before it was completely unusable, in spite of two RMAs.
My current gaming laptop is an HP Omen 17 from 2017, and has been completely stable and reliable up to this day. I love to hate on HP because of their dumb printers, but I’m pretty impressed. I’ll probably end up buying another one, because I will literally never own another ASUS product ever in my life, and there are only so many manufacturers out there who I’d consider for a laptop purchase.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
Can’t play video currently. Someone has a synopsis?
fawanen@startrek.website 6 months ago
Asus has always just seemed like a glossier Acer with higher prices and worse quality.
I personally hate their ROG gamer aesthetic and think whoever came up with that should’ve been fired and blacklisted from the industry.
Bonehead@kbin.social 6 months ago
At first I was watching to find out why people hate Asus now. But then I was watching to see how many times he changes the way he says Asus.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They’ve been shit for quite a few years. Overheating laptops made me vocally against them after the fifth repair/replacement.
TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
My Asus motherboard started bluescreening Windows. After a lot of effort I traced it down to a specific device ID that windows was loading firmware for. No matter what I tried I couldn’t get this auto installation to stop. It was a totally random component that added nothing I could tell.
Asus refused to release new firmware be cause the motherboard was “unsupported” even though the box etc has stickers saying it supports windows 10.
After a ton more effort I figured out how to make some low end api calls that eventually stopped this auto installation. It was mostly reliable. I got to crack a lot of jokes to my friends about my motherboard not supporting windows but it was a really hard period for me particularly because Linux gaming wasn’t as strong as it is today. I was really big into league of legends at the time and this experience forced me to quit, losing touch with many friends in the process.
Manzas@lemdro.id 6 months ago
I have a Asus motherbaord and no updates since 2021 time to get hacked by logoFAIL…
currawong@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
All Asus mobos and graphic cards I owned died.
And as in my IT days we had whole rooms of machines with Asus graphics die too.
I avoid Asus components like the plague
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This video kind of misses the mark on delivering the points of the title, but can give the simplest explanation of the community gripes:
Gigabyte (remember them?) did this same slow to enshittification about 10 years ago. The issue pretty much boils down to a company producing to many different types of things, instead of staying good at the things they do well, and the community has noticed and is calling for boycotts. This will no doubt put them on defensive for years to come, and affect their overall standing in the larger community until they correct course.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sure do! Both my board and the board in my wife’s computer are Gigabyte. So’s my video card. The only issue I’ve ever had with their stuff has been a bad stick of ram a few years ago, which they exchanged without argument.
Brands in this sphere I definitely have had trouble with: MSI, Razer – so many problems with Razer – and ASUS.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah so the thing with PC parts suppliers is that every brand is going to have people who have experienced problems with their stuff.
Gigabyte I’ve never had a problem with, but yeah during the pandemic their power supplies were fucking exploding so yeah that’s a problem.
Asus I’ve never had a problem with, but yeah their boards on both sides have been setting voltages and power limits very aggressively, killing AM5 CPUs catastrophically, potentially causing instability on higher end Intel chips as well it seems. That’s a problem.
Etc etc etc
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’ve had problems with Logitech. They still make good peripherals, but it’s more luck of the draw for me recently, so QC may be getting cut.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What are the problems with Razer? I’ve only used their mice, so I honestly don’t even know what else they make
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tried to RMA a motherboard with Gigabyte and they will find any excuse to void the warranty.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
I’m also running a Gigabyte high-end right now and I’ve got absolutely no complaints. I really enjoy the BIOS/UEFI menu.
gunpachi@lemmings.world 6 months ago
My msi motherboard randomly erases boot entries, I have to keep the computer on for a few minutes and reboot so that my other boot entry appears.
It maybe a problem with the m.2 slot, but it has been the case ever since I bought the motherboard.
Anyways I’m gonna stick to a different manufacturer for my motherboard if I’m building a new PC.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I have a 14 year old gigabyte motherboard in my older computer. When I first got it I didn’t know what I was doing and plugged the wrong thing in somewhere and blew up a component on it. As long as I don’t use that slot it chugs along just fine. I wish companies would just keep making things that last I’d gladly pay a fairly steep premium for that. Instead it seems every company that gets known for making good stuff decides to shit all over themselves
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Honestly, in your case, it could just be more about who makes what components can withstand X amount of punishment and keep the electrons flowing through so other things keep working 😂
Agreed on your point though. Cheap shit needs to stop.
Bipta@kbin.social 6 months ago
They also reject advance RMAs. How nice to be without a system for weeks.
brick@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’ve had good luck recently with Gigabyte. I know it’s circumstantial but my hope is that they are recovering.
NOPper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Anecdotal like the rest of the posts here, but I recently built a new rig for gaming/lab testing and used a Gigabyte board for the first time in a decade after seeing good reviews and a solid sale price.
About 3 weeks after setting everything up it just crapped out. Would reboot seconds after you pressed power. Checked and verified absolutely every other part, no luck. Tried to contact support, got the runaround for a few days until I was directed to a site to submit an RMA request.
That was a month ago, zero movement still. About 4 days into it I bought an identical part of Amazon and “traded” em. I’m usually pretty ethical about that kind of thing but this was ridiculous and I needed the PC working ASAP.
Who’s decent anymore? I always used to go with MSI.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They seem to be, but it’s been for a short time. Let’s see if they keep it going.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
Looks like big companies buying everything has unexpected downsides too (aside the known downsides).
just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Who ever saw this ever in history before now, or ever predicted it?
Thanks your crazy thoughts and wants for things to be good for consumers SOMEWHERE ELSE!
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
Meaning you could sue them as fraudulent?
bastion@feddit.nl 6 months ago
No. The ROG brand is ASUS’s brand in the first place.
Like, anyone could be like “this is my normal quiche, and this one here is my MuMu quiche.”
Then, once everybody’s buying MuMu, start using the normal recipe for MuMu. It’s not illegal, but at first people think they just got an Ok MuMu, then they start realizing it just sucks now. Hard for the company to recover from that.
But voiding and not honoring warranties?