A gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
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remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
I mean, it’s not really bestiality if it isn’t sexual. A gynocological exam also isn’t fingering …
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 minute ago
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
_tasten_tiger@feddit.org 7 hours ago
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
Right, but in the case of animals these decisions are up to the owner.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will
…and it’s medically indicated
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 6 hours ago
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Jumi@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Cows are not on the same level as humans
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
“someone”
Keyword.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 5 hours ago
I would really like to see you try to get your dog pregnant.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
no. different things are different.
Devadander@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.
arrow74@lemmy.zip 43 minutes ago
Wow, comparing actual human slavery to cattle production. That’s certainly a take
stickly@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
Devadander@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
[deleted]bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
Dude, forcing semen into a vagina is not a fucking treatment. Disgusting rape apologia.
M137@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
How is impregnating a treatment?
9blb@feddit.org 2 hours ago
I’m not sure on the specific definition of “bestiality” and whether “sexual pleasure of the executing party” or whatever you want to call it is a necessity, but consent should certainly be a part of it.
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent. If your gynecologist sticks a finger up your vagina without your consent, then it’s rape.
remon@ani.social 2 hours ago
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent
Well … I agree with most of your points. But animals are not humans, so consent works fundamentally different. Domestic animals are owned, so humans act as the legal guardian. Yes, there should still be regulation regarding general animal welfare.
But I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality. It’s a fun meme and shitpost, though.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality.
If the perpetrator of the act (or the beneficiaries from the act) derives pleasure from it, isn’t it bestiality?
remon@ani.social 56 minutes ago
I think I know where you’re going with this … mh. Depends of what kind of pleasure. If it’s sexual, that would be bestiality, I guess.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 52 minutes ago
I’m a little disappointed that everybody is appealing to ethics and professionalism.
Look according to biblical law its fine as long as they’re married.
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Aka the nudist defense.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 7 hours ago
Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
TBF that one sounds consensusl
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 6 hours ago
Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic “breed this bull with this cow” arrangement, but still somewhat not good.
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I get what you’re saying but it’s sexual assault, no?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.
testfactor@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
goedel@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
it’s a veterinary procedure
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Veterinary in the sense that “it’s a duty a veterinarian might perform do,” but in this context it’s done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn’t fast enough for this industrialised society’s appetite.
It’s disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we’re under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn’t ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.
FatVegan@leminal.space 1 hour ago
Is your gynecologist jerking you off?
remon@ani.social 57 minutes ago
No, but I’ve seen some video evidence …
RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Eww, no. Gross.
My gyno jerks off my cows like a civilized person.