Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨minute⁩ ago

  Compare: it’s rape to have sex with someone underage, but two underage people can have sex with each other without it being rape. 

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• lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

  Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.

  Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.

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• FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

  That’s not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they’d naturally choose to.

  isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

  And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can’t consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).

  If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

  The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.

  You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of “preventing rape.”

  Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you’d have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn’t generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it’s cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren’t supposed to play God with every facet of an animal’s life.

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