Comment on Mamdani to kill the NYC AI chatbot caught telling businesses to break the law— New York mayor says terminating the ‘unusable’ bot will help close a budget gap

HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• luthis@lemmy.nz ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The tankies don’t like him?

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  • Schmoo@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They don’t like electoralism, prefer to LARP revolution while doing nothing to actually lay the groundwork for one.

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    • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Which is sort of wild.

      Marx was very clear that communism could not be delivered by heroes on horseback. But then again, Tankies don’t like Marx, they like Lenin, the man who lost an election to actual communists and then had them all killed. He seized power via coup, and then made himself a king, and wrote how kings (vanguard parties) were somehow vital to communism, and how democracy was not.

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      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “If your last name ends in ‘in’, it’s time to get out.”

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    • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tankies are chicken-hawks.

      They gladly let millions of marginalized peoples suffer and die for a pipedream that those people will fight a communist revolution… on the tankies’ behalf.

      Tankies won’t ever be the ones on the front line. They spam fuck comment sections and try to convince as many people as possible to act against their own self interests, to put them in a desperate enough state that the tankoes can more easily manipulate them.

      Tankies aren’t communists, they’re red fascists. Same abuser mentality as the fascists they so gleefully surrendered to in November 2024.

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      • postpunkmusic@musician.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        @HazardousBanjo

        @Schmoo

        So are tankies accelerationists or sellouts? You weirdos need to get your story straight

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  • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One thing I’ve learned as a socialist is that there is always a purity test by people who consider themselves purer socialists.

    Karl Marx himself could post on here and people would accuse him of being a neoliberal stooge.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tankies don’t like anyone, they’ll never be satisfied. I’m fairly certain most of them are russian trolls tasked with sowing discord and fracturing the left.

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    • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Excuse me, we’re Chinese trolls, thanks very much; we are unhealthily obsessed with China because it’s incredibly economically successful, it’s the last hope of actual oldschool dictatorship of the worker socialism, and it’s barely avoided being controlled by the market.

      It’s incredibly centralised, it’s authoritarian, yes, but it’s also building all the solar panels and executing billionaires when they get too powerful and making the imperial nations look like chumps, so you should forgive us for our infatuation.

      My lack of action and lack of building local organisation? Guilty. I’m trying to correct this. China is not the model for the West, and even the Chinese govt says that, so as a true Chinahead I do not call for Chad Xi to come save us, that is missing the fucking point. We must grow our own socialist organisations to bypass the state, and anarchists and syndicalists might be the best idea for the West, with our individualism and love of freedom.

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    • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you omit the word Russian, I think you just described the entirity of the current reddit user base.

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’d be surprised. I read about a time when there was a power outage in moscow, and for the span of a few hours there were hardly any trolls active on reddit

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  • sudo@programming.dev ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Historically, a socialist holding an elected executive position of a capitalist government is a precarious position fraught with contradictions. You can only meaningfully govern by making massive concessions to the ruling class and betraying some supporters. Communists will stake out the “he will betray you” position.

    FWIW the Mamdani administration is very aware of this contradiction and deliberately made promises that he can do by decree, such as the rent freeze. But there’s also been some rather heinous concessions, like keeping on a bunch of Zionists in the admin, and also keeping on the NYPD commissioner Jessica Tisch.

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  • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve been accused of being a tankie, and I think he’s great. But obviously the McCarthyites of Lemmy would rather create a straw man than listen to anything a red has to say.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you’re comparing shitting on tankies to McCarthyism, you might be a tankie.

      Lots of people on the left hate tankies, because tankies are more fascist than leftist in praxis. McCarthyism basically accuses anyone with a remotely left-wing opinion as being as bad as a tankie, which is a strawman.

      Tankies have more in common with McCarthyism than they’re willing to admit. That’s called horseshoe politics.

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      • Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I would swap fascism with authoritarianism or totalitarianism. To equal the left and right wing in any kind always sounds like horseshoe theory. But apart from that you are right.

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      • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You don’t know what fascism is, apparently.

        As for horseshoe nonsense . . .Image

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      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fascist tankies? Tell me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda without telling me you’ve huffed capitalist propaganda. Y’all are miseducated af

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tankie does not equal any communist. People are fine with listening to communists, it’s MLs they draw the line at.

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      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I am an ML as are most communists.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      False accusations mean nothing.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’d say they’re skeptical that Mamdani will keep to his promises or that electing him isn’t enough. But dislike? I bet every one would’ve voted for him.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Assuming they vote at all and don’t think the best way to show your dissatisfaction is to stay home and complain on the Internet

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    • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They can’t vote. They’re either not American or they’re bots.

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      • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I believe enough of them are American and Lemmy is a dumb place to create a bot army.

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• loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve seen one today: “Mamdani warns about massive NYC deficit! Proof socialism doesn’t work!”. Dude, he wasn’t mayor a month ago, pretty sure socialism isn’t the problem here…

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is that a real headline? If so, that’s extremely dishonest journalism…

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      IIRC It was newsmaxx or some other propaganda outlet.

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The overly rich own most large news outlets so it‘s not surprising.

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• nednobbins@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I just headed over to .ml and did a local search for “mamdani”

  I see a bunch of the more conservatives Democrats and their supporters complaining about him and conservatives of all stripes are really hoping he’ll fail.

  I’ve been called a tankie several times and I rather like Mamdani. I see him, AOC, and Sanders as the best hope for the future of the US.

  Where are these tankies that hate Mamdani so much? What do they hate him for?

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  • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    They don’t.

    There’s two main criticisms of Zohran that come from the left.

    One is that while good, his victory is going to be limited because the mayor has little power to enact systematic change. The keeping of Teach (likely to avoid a war with Hochul he can’t win) is a point for this

    The second is that it reinforces the Democratic party which actively opposes socialism, by giving it a face of that. And that in that way it also serves to dilute actual revolutionary energy, etc.

    You don’t have to agree with those arguments - I don’t fully. But those are them. But considering the person here is hitting a shitlib trifecta - screaming about tankies and horseshoe theory, conspiracy theories about Russian bots, and claiming “nuance” when caught in obvious contradictions - theyre not going to make an actual argument. Just claim ownership of the left for the center, again.

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  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oooh, I’d love to see what stupid shit they are complaining about.

    “Oh no! We are going to have healthcare again! Stop him!”

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  • LordCrom@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What’s a “tankie”?

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Authoritarian-Communist.

      Named after the leftists who supported the Soviets brutality in Hungarian Revolution of 1956, when they sent into tanks to kill the student democratic uprising. Used by non-auth leftists for decades, past few years some centrists and rightists have started using it for anything left that they don’t like as calling everyone communists wasn’t working any more.

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      • mattyroses@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        The irony of the use in respect to Ukraine is that they’re calling anyone not wanting to send tanks a tankie.

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    • HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I’m not searching that term either

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Where are these tankies that hate Mamdani so much? What do they hate him for?

    I have seen a few, here is one I saved from some time back.

    lemmy.ml/post/39249375

    A lot of things get removed from .ml so its hard to go back find things sometimes. If you are around lemmy a while you will find quite a few takes from tankies.

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    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Idk the post calls him infiltrator but there is -54 likes. Even .ml likes mamdani.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So I had a look at the voting score and only 5 of those down votes came from .ml, most are from .world accounts.

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      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        doesn’t that mean he is liked over there?

        Hard to say, I have seen a few that outright don’t like him. But more of a he isn’t as far to our liking overall.

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  • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    something something he kept a “genocide supporter” on his cabinet

    note, the biggest compliant about him from the other side is that he has too many pro-palestinians in his cabinet

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• partofthevoice@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yeah, I’m also liking Mamdani. However, I may be traumatized because I don’t completely trust the situation. What did Mamdani tell Trump to make Trump support him so quickly? Trump did a 180 over night, and I want to know how Mamdani did that…

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  • scintilla@piefed.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    trump will literally agree with anyone he spends an hour talking to. He said he and walz had similar thoughts on what to do in ministota.

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  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump is barking seal that agrees with any man that is in the same room as him.

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  • SalamenceFury@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump is ridiculously easy to manipulate. Just use the right words and butter him up and he’ll think you’re his buddy.

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Exactly. Mamdani came prepared, and Trump was caught off guard by how nice and eloquent the dangerous communist was.

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  • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I genuinely think its because Trump, and all of his supporters, are colossal pussies when actually challenged and defeated by someone willing to fight them.

    If Mamdani made any concession, you’d never hear Trump and his cult not talking about it.

    Instead Trump publicly sucked Mamdani’s cock and MAGA is pretending it never happened.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Expanding on what others have answered, Trump is extremely suggestible due to dementia. He literally just agrees with whoever told him something last because he can’t think on his own anymore.

    That’s why it’s even more vital to get rid of fascist advisors like Steven Miller than it is to get rid of Trump himself.

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  • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    trump will say anything. he doesn’t support mamdani, at least not in action. but trump wants to be popular and for people to like him, so he will attach himself to anything successful. he loved the new england patriots until the kansas city chiefs became the dynasty to beat. suddenly he was talking about patrick mahomes constantly.

    the criticism for that meeting should purely go on mamdani allowing his brand to be attached to a fascist. but that gets into that electoralism will never save us because politicians who play political games to curry favor are inherently compromised. however, the value of electoralism is that it can help us put people who will allow us to organize on the margins in office as we grow our movement

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    • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      i saw it as a genius move, anyone on the left with half a brain should have realized he was just making a fool of trump.

      and the cognitive dissonance generated by such a public whiplash change of face on “some dirty communist muslim” might have been jarring enough to disillusion a couple magats

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  • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump can’t afford to dislike anyone overwhelmingly positive.

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  • chaitae3@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Trump can’t hate on Mamdani too much, lest he becomes a folk hero.

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  • protist@mander.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    All you have to do is mildly flatter Trump and then he’s your best friend

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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Seeing the tankies talk about him on .ml would make you think he was leading the 4the Reich.

  Source: I made it up

  I’ve seen many that are skeptical that he’ll stick to his promises but I don’t think any of that crowd would disagree that he was clearly the best option and a big step forward.

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  • HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Found the tankie

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thanks for the links to the posts/comments backing up your statement. Really made me think.

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      • OptimalHyena@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Seriously, compared to all the great specific references you made! Good for calling that shit out!

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve seen tankies trying to call him fascist on lemmy, and I called them out and said how wrong they are. They responded by calling me a zionist and accusing me of supporting genocide…

    These are not rational people arguing in good faith…

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d love to see then link. You’ve got over 1k comments in 30 days or I’d look for it on your profile.

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don’t save links to every comment I ever read, don’t be ridiculous.

        My comment history has nothing to do with it. Admitting to stalking my profile doesn’t prove any point.

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• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve yet to see any negative headlines about Mamdani ever since hr won election

  Seeing the tankies talk about him on .ml would make you think he was leading the 4the Reich.

  Well yeah, it depends exactly what kind of social bubble you are in. If you are in a right wing bubble, you would be led to believe that Mamdani is a wome Muslim terrorist commie.

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• DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I believe he banned raspberry pi devices, which is dumb.

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  • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    From the inauguration, which is kinda weird but inderstandable if you’re not very tech savvy. He didn’t ban them from new york in general

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