Comment on Learning to drive

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Came here to say that whoever wrote this is old, like me.

  The switch from 10/2 to 9/3 is because of airbags. If you’re doing it the old way, you’re more likely to have the airbag catch your hand and whack you right in the face with it.

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  • zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    10 and 2 was always stupid. When I was young I got an opportunity to go to a racing school and that was one of the first things they talked about. If you mime driving a car, do you put your hands at 10 and 2? No, you’ll probably do 9 and 3. Better control, less going hand over hand.

    Also you should push the steering wheel with your outside hand, not pull it. Smoother input.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Aha, hand over hand, now I get to wax poetic about that.

      Hand over hand steering was useful up until maybe the mid 1960s. Later, too, but after about 1967, power steering was becoming more the norm. Cars were far more likely to not have power steering. Instead, they employed lower range steering gear boxes and giant trash can lid steering wheels. In order to make a regular old 90 degree turn, you'd have to crank the wheel over way more than you do on a modern car, and the car was heavier, had steel wheels (more mass to move).

      They continue to teach it today, because if your car loses power and/or shuts off (ICE cars especially, not impossible with EVs) or the power steering otherwise fails while you're moving, you're really going to want to know how to hand over hand steer. It's much more difficult to steer a car with power steering that's dead/broken than a car that just doesn't have power steering at all. Why they still demand it for drivers' tests on every turn, I don't know. You should be able to demonstrate that you can do it, but hand over hand steering on essentially every car today is more clumsy, as long as everything is working properly.

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      • errer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I had a Chevy S10 without power steering and man steering that thing at low speeds was such a bitch (such as when you’re trying to do a three point turn). You get a real workout every time you drive. So grateful power steering is in all cars nowadays.

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      • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Nothing like a technical discussion of automotive steering history without a reference to Toonces.

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      • SailorFuzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        This is the kind of niche spew of knowledge that only those touched by the tism could produce.

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      • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Hand over hand is better for ensuring you have a grip that can go either direction if something pulls on your wheels suddenly, like in slippery conditions. It isn't necessary to pull it like climbing the rope in gym class with power steering, but awkward hand positions can lead to loss of control.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Amateur hour itt…

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      • Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Lol you need an assistive device? Just use the palm of your hand, scrub.

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    • frank@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yup, exactly this.

      Coached race cars (and bikes) at tracks for years, and amateur raced for more than a decade.

      Try just pushing (not pulling). You have a LOT more range and more comfortable control from 9/3 than 10/2

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    • BluesF@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Drying a dinner plate was how my teacher described turning. Starting with both hands opposite (10/2 or 9/3 would work fine) - push with one hand and slide the other one towards it until they meet at the top, then switch which hand is holding and reverse the motion, so you end up doing both, but you never cross your hands.

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    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      10 and 2 (and now 9 and 3, though to a lesser extent) is just a visual indicator of what drivers you need to be extra wary of when they’re around you

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Image

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    • titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You’re all wrongz left hand 1:00 that’s the correct way.

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      • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s mainly for better control of the vehicle. At 9 and 3, you can pull the steering wheel straight down to turn.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In a modern car, yes.

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      • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Not many people are still driving cars from the 70’s.

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      • Grabthar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Weird. I don’t think I have driven a modern car that lets you put your hands around the wheel at 9 and 3 because that’s where the centre/airbag attaches. Most also have a third point at 6, so 10 and 2 or 8 and 4 seems more appropriate. Are you only supposed to rest your hands on the outside of the wheel now?

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  • Siethron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I thought the risk was degloving.

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    • wander1236@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Keep your thumbs out of the center too

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, I can see that, too. Definitely more than one additional injury risk that is easily mitigated by changing hand position habits. Totally makes sense that they changed the way driving is taught.

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  • tatterdemalion@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    My driving instructor said the airbag could rip the skin off your arms lol

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    • __ahhhhh@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Can confirm

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• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  *7 and 5

  Less arm fatigue and safer with air bags.

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    With better control the airbags won't go off.

    9:30 and 2:30 is optimal and hands are to the side for an accident.

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    • Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I vote for: 2:47:18.987 and 9:51:43.051

      Makes you concentrate on driving! /s

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      • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        i too have a digital protractor on my steering wheel

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      • StuffYouFear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        6 using 1 knee because hands busy with food and phone. Driving beemer so I dont need to bother with turn signals. Leaving brights on for safety

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    • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      With better control the airbags won’t go off.

      You can have the best control in the world and still get rear-ended, T-boned, or otherwise crashed into by someone else. Defensive driving isn’t 100% crash-proof and shit happens, my friend. There’s a lot of dumb people on the road.

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  • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No it’s not.

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• Lycist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Thought they were teaching 7 and 4 now? Due to airbags I’d heard.

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    just go with 0 and 0 with a knee on the wheel.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ain't nothing stopping me from eating my burrito.

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  • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    7 and 4 isn’t even centered

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  • joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You also need to keep in mind thumb placement. If you have a vice grip on the steering wheel with your thumb and forefinger wrapping the wheel, you’ll get your thumbs ripped off/sprained in a crash.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That's more for mad offroading, because the weight of the vehicle over terrain can lever the front wheels quickly enough to spin the wheel. Not impossible, but far less likely on pavement, even in any crash.

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  • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No.

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• Gerudo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Til they updated the standard.

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  • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That is the updated standard.

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    • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I thought the updated standard was adjusted for daylight savings time, making it 2100 and 0300.

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    • Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I got thrown of thinking they meant 'til, but they mean TIL= Today I Learned

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• RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sounds annoying to drive with your hands to the side

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  • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No, it is the proper way to drive. That is why the signals are at the side, so you can operate them without moving your hands.

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    • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Steering stalks on my 2015 car are at 10/2.

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    • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Proper way sounds annoying. I prefer to have my hands further up, easier to rest them. I can still reach blinker/wiper though, just extend a finger

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      • Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Why do better when you can be stubborn.

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• Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Eh, 3 fingertips at 7

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