*7 and 5
Less arm fatigue and safer with air bags.
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Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
*9 and 3.
*7 and 5
Less arm fatigue and safer with air bags.
With better control the airbags won't go off.
9:30 and 2:30 is optimal and hands are to the side for an accident.
I vote for: 2:47:18.987 and 9:51:43.051
Makes you concentrate on driving! /s
i too have a digital protractor on my steering wheel
6 using 1 knee because hands busy with food and phone. Driving beemer so I dont need to bother with turn signals. Leaving brights on for safety
With better control the airbags won’t go off.
You can have the best control in the world and still get rear-ended, T-boned, or otherwise crashed into by someone else. Defensive driving isn’t 100% crash-proof and shit happens, my friend. There’s a lot of dumb people on the road.
No it’s not.
Til they updated the standard.
That is the updated standard.
I thought the updated standard was adjusted for daylight savings time, making it 2100 and 0300.
I got thrown of thinking they meant 'til, but they mean TIL= Today I Learned
Thought they were teaching 7 and 4 now? Due to airbags I’d heard.
just go with 0 and 0 with a knee on the wheel.
Ain't nothing stopping me from eating my burrito.
7 and 4 isn’t even centered
You also need to keep in mind thumb placement. If you have a vice grip on the steering wheel with your thumb and forefinger wrapping the wheel, you’ll get your thumbs ripped off/sprained in a crash.
That's more for mad offroading, because the weight of the vehicle over terrain can lever the front wheels quickly enough to spin the wheel. Not impossible, but far less likely on pavement, even in any crash.
No.
Sounds annoying to drive with your hands to the side
No, it is the proper way to drive. That is why the signals are at the side, so you can operate them without moving your hands.
Steering stalks on my 2015 car are at 10/2.
Proper way sounds annoying. I prefer to have my hands further up, easier to rest them. I can still reach blinker/wiper though, just extend a finger
Why do better when you can be stubborn.
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Came here to say that whoever wrote this is old, like me.
The switch from 10/2 to 9/3 is because of airbags. If you’re doing it the old way, you’re more likely to have the airbag catch your hand and whack you right in the face with it.
zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
10 and 2 was always stupid. When I was young I got an opportunity to go to a racing school and that was one of the first things they talked about. If you mime driving a car, do you put your hands at 10 and 2? No, you’ll probably do 9 and 3. Better control, less going hand over hand.
Also you should push the steering wheel with your outside hand, not pull it. Smoother input.
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Aha, hand over hand, now I get to wax poetic about that.
Hand over hand steering was useful up until maybe the mid 1960s. Later, too, but after about 1967, power steering was becoming more the norm. Cars were far more likely to not have power steering. Instead, they employed lower range steering gear boxes and giant trash can lid steering wheels. In order to make a regular old 90 degree turn, you'd have to crank the wheel over way more than you do on a modern car, and the car was heavier, had steel wheels (more mass to move).
They continue to teach it today, because if your car loses power and/or shuts off (ICE cars especially, not impossible with EVs) or the power steering otherwise fails while you're moving, you're really going to want to know how to hand over hand steer. It's much more difficult to steer a car with power steering that's dead/broken than a car that just doesn't have power steering at all. Why they still demand it for drivers' tests on every turn, I don't know. You should be able to demonstrate that you can do it, but hand over hand steering on essentially every car today is more clumsy, as long as everything is working properly.
errer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I had a Chevy S10 without power steering and man steering that thing at low speeds was such a bitch (such as when you’re trying to do a three point turn). You get a real workout every time you drive. So grateful power steering is in all cars nowadays.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
Nothing like a technical discussion of automotive steering history without a reference to Toonces.
snooggums@piefed.world 1 day ago
Hand over hand is better for ensuring you have a grip that can go either direction if something pulls on your wheels suddenly, like in slippery conditions. It isn't necessary to pull it like climbing the rope in gym class with power steering, but awkward hand positions can lead to loss of control.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is the kind of niche spew of knowledge that only those touched by the tism could produce.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Amateur hour itt…
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Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Lol you need an assistive device? Just use the palm of your hand, scrub.
frank@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
Yup, exactly this.
Coached race cars (and bikes) at tracks for years, and amateur raced for more than a decade.
Try just pushing (not pulling). You have a LOT more range and more comfortable control from 9/3 than 10/2
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
10 and 2 (and now 9 and 3, though to a lesser extent) is just a visual indicator of what drivers you need to be extra wary of when they’re around you
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Drying a dinner plate was how my teacher described turning. Starting with both hands opposite (10/2 or 9/3 would work fine) - push with one hand and slide the other one towards it until they meet at the top, then switch which hand is holding and reverse the motion, so you end up doing both, but you never cross your hands.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 day ago
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titanicx@lemmy.zip 23 hours ago
You’re all wrongz left hand 1:00 that’s the correct way.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
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Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s mainly for better control of the vehicle. At 9 and 3, you can pull the steering wheel straight down to turn.
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
In a modern car, yes.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Not many people are still driving cars from the 70’s.
Siethron@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I thought the risk was degloving.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Keep your thumbs out of the center too
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Yeah, I can see that, too. Definitely more than one additional injury risk that is easily mitigated by changing hand position habits. Totally makes sense that they changed the way driving is taught.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 22 hours ago
My driving instructor said the airbag could rip the skin off your arms lol
__ahhhhh@lemmynsfw.com 17 hours ago
Can confirm