Diagon Lemmy - A Queer-friendly, Harry Potter-themed Lemmy Server is now live (before you block me instantly, please hear me out)

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨blueberry@diagonlemmy.social⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

Harry Potter Fandoms will be a part of the Fediverse one way or the other. It’s better to shape this development rather than being overwhelmed by it.
Harry Potter Fandoms are a huge opportunity for the Fediverse. Look at what the collaboration of Lego and Disney brought to Fortnite. People want to spend time in places, in which they feel familiar and welcomed. I’m not saying collaborating with big companies here, what I’m saying is: the Fediverse needs to be filled with life and we have to use that opportunity first, before others do.
Don’t throw the opinions of J.K. Rowling and its fandom in one bucket. It’s one of the biggest in the world, there is a broad range of opinions and people.
The Fediverse needs more projects that immediately make sense to people. Projects that you tell a person about, and they say: “Oh, yeah, that makes sense.” Mastodon in comparison to Twitter was such a thing: its billionaire proof. Everybody gets why that’s a good thing. A better, more open place to build Harry Potter fan sites could be another.
The project (including other places like this that may follow) could also become another attractive place on the Fediverse for the open-source community. Who wouldn’t be excited to help build the world of Harry Potter?

All of this is of course up for discussion. I’m a very stubborn person but I’m also able to listen ;)

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Chozo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Man, the gatekeeping is wild these days.

You're allowed to like a story you grew up with as a child and also dislike its bigot author, they're not mutually exclusive. Talking about Harry Potter doesn't give Rowling magical transphobe powers; Voldemort logic doesn't work in real life. The rightsholders have already taken great strides to distance the HP property from Rowling and adopt it to be more inclusive in spite of her TERF bullshit. It's not a hate crime to like a story about child wizards anymore.

If people want to geek out about some books or movies they like, they should be allowed to do so without the insinuation that they're by default enabling transphobia or something. But the beauty of the Fediverse is that your community has just as much right to exist as any other, so as long as you can maintain a healthy, hate-free community that isn't posting a bunch of pro-Rowling bullshit, I say go for it. Anyone who would block your instance for merely existing probably isn't worth your time, anyway.

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- z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Let me pose a hypothetical to you then. If the transphobic rhetoric of JKR escalated, and transphobes took action, like just started doing even more harm to the trans community than they already have. At what point would you say “you know what, I’ve had enough of HP. It’s just distasteful to engage with this anymore”.
  
  Let’s say a trans person enters, participates, and becomes a part of your HP fan community. What if they are directly, or even indirectly harmed by JKR’s transohobic rhetoric. If you continue to engage with how great the content is, while ignoring what just happened, was that trans person, who was harmed, ever really part of your community? Or were you just paying lip service to your community’s inclusivity?
  
  These hypotheticals can happen, it’s not even remotely outside the realm of possibility. At what point is engaging in HP fandom distasteful?
  
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  - Chozo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    At what point is engaging in HP fandom distasteful?
    
    I'd say when the material that makes up the HP franchise, itself, becomes distasteful. I'm not hugely invested into HP, but last I've seen of it, the franchise is LGBT-inclusive, directly in spite of Rowling. I see no reason why one shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the story.
    
    Yeah, Rowling may still profit from it. But the bitter pill is that she's allowed to. People are entitled to make money from their IPs, it's how society enables creatives. Just because somebody's a shit person doesn't mean they're not allowed to earn a living. And realistically, she's going to make money from it, anyway. Blocking a Lemmy instance has literally zero impact on Rowling's bottom line, making the act little more than posturing.
    
    The HP material, itself, is fine. And the HP community largely seems inclusive toward LGBT fans. I can't think of any reason to consider liking it or talking about it to be distasteful. Rowling's a TERF shitbag, and I think most of the HP community is generally onboard with that notion, too.
    
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- technomad@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I feel like most of what you said there can just be directly copy-pasted to the sidebar.
  
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- kratoz29@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I love Harry Potter, what are you gonna do, block me? /s
  
  For me all the hate Rowling gets just helps to make this brand bigger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  
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cosmic_slate@dmv.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Don’t let the comments here discourage you. A lot of people on Lemmy like finding reasons to get mad at the world.

You’re not hosting a Tucker Carlson server or anything, you’re hosting a server for a very popular and sentimental franchise.

Have fun with it, hopefully it takes off. If it doesn’t, then hey you tried.

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- Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  You’re not hosting a Tucker Carlson server to praise alt-right values
  
  They may as well, to the kids on lemmy, they’re the exact same thing. There’s absolutely no nuance here at all. The hive-mind dictates what governs the outrage.
  
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  - cosmic_slate@dmv.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh how I miss the free time I had in high school.
    
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- SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  When I was growing up, a lot of queer kids loved HP. There is a literal potion in the books that completely changes you to another person, including sex. I know a lot of millenial trans people who were able to come out referencing that potion and scene and how they could relate or wish they had that potion.
  
  Imo, the books aren’t that good. For elementary and middle schoolers, sure, but I don’t think JK Rowling is a good author or world builder. I believe the IP/franchise relied heavily on the audience and Rowling backstabbed her queer fans. The same goes for the new game. It’s more open world drivel and I think the only way it got this big is because idiots kept talking about it.
  
  With all of that said, having a community on lemmy that is about Harry Potter, and they are clearly pro-trans/queer, leftists/progressives, and ban any alt-right shitters then that is very good and powerful. It’s so powerful to get more HP fans in more leftist spaces so they can incept those ideas.
  
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  - blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    It’s so powerful to get more HP fans in more leftist spaces so they can incept those ideas.
    
    That could prove to be harder than expected. I tried to reach out to r/harrypotter but they won’t let me put an advertisement post there :( Turns out that not so surprisingly, these fansites are kind of closed up themselves and until they open themselves up to AP, too, they will be very reluctant to any fediverse clones of them …
    
    I’m now trying to reach out to other fansites. Let’s see.
    
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cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
love this! i’m trans and honestly harry potter was such a big reason why i’m still here. it was one of the only things i loved when i was still in the closet and between starkid, leaky, and pottercast, it resulted in making some amazing friends. fuck rowling but i’ll never forget harry potter <3

harry potter is the trio and the fandom not the author

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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  <3
  
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yildolw@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Divorcing the author from the work is rather challenging when that author is a living billionaire who makes money whenever you buy any kind of merchandise of their work. While pirating their trademarks without paying is in principle harmless, the moment you cross over into, say, paying money for Harry Potter Lego or Harry Potter Fortnite skins, you are then immediately funding the author’s hate campaigns

The instance name is clever, but I think you will find the concept embarrassing in hindsight. I would recommend not doubling down on the cognitive dissonance

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- Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People don’t seem to realize that their consumption of a product is seen by its beneficiaries.
  
  Sure not YOU directly, but when someone sees “oh this place also set up something dedicated solely to the thing I made, they must really like me and approve of the things I do/say!” and others who agree with their shitty views think “oh they agree too, otherwise why promote it?”
  
  Is it possible to separate the creatOR from the creatION? Yes. But not for everyone, and many of those who can’t will see your support as support of their own shitty ideals that match the creators’.
  
  Sure, you may not be antisemitic, but the country club you go to for lunch sure is. Go ahead and pretend you’re not supporting them I guess.
  
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  - blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Is it possible to separate the creatOR from the creatION? Yes. But not for everyone, and many of those who can’t will see your support as support of their own shitty ideals that match the creators’.
    
    If it would be that easy, yes. But you ignore that H.P. does have a cultural value to it. Now you could try to re-build this, but first of all: it will be pretty hard to come up with something that noone feels offended by. And second of all: it will be pretty hard to come up with something that is equally popular.
    
    For me, this is about post-structuralism vs. structuarlism. The current zeigeist is all about “deconstruction”, but if you de-construct everything, you are left with nothing. You need to build something new and that structure will always leave some room to deconstruct.
    
    So I’m for leaving some of these cultural structures even if they are in parts worth overcoming. In case of the social web, which the Fediverse tries to create: it will not work without some kind of cultural structure on which it is build. People don’t want to spent time in a non-place, the Metaverse already failed because of that (at least its first try). That’s basically the point I’m trying to make with this whole instance apart from setting up a nice instance for people to interact with one another: post-structuralism is bad.
    
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Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well, as always I’ll recommend our small existing community !harrypotter@literature.cafe H

Literature.cafe is a lovely instance, Gabe the admin is a very nice person.

Good luck with your instance, I’ll probably visit

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- originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  direct comm add link !harrypotter
  
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  - Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you Mbin expert
    
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- Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I second that, happy to hear Gabe is still around, gotta head over there!
  
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  - inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Since he is being brought up, you should read exactly what Gabe said about the HP community. Clearly seems uncomfortable by the entire concept.
    
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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks :)
  
  The more the merrier. I will check it out sometime if I find the time.
  
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hal_5700X@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Man. People need to learn how to ignore stuff they don’t like or use the block button.

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- Nima@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  right? there’s more outrage than is really worth it. just don’t participate in it if you don’t like it. instance blocking is a thing now on lemmy I’m fairly sure.
  
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z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m sorry, but as a cis heterosexual man who has trans friends and has turned away from all things Harry Potter and JK Rowling in utter disgust, this strikes me as attempting to ignore the obvious transphobia of the TERF author in the hope of keeping your head in the sand and residing in a place of nostalgia solely because transgendered people aren’t the majority.

I get your desire to grow the Fediverse, but if you want to create a community around a fandom, perhaps you should choose a piece of media that embraces inclusion rather than one that is simply popular?

Stop looking into your past fandoms with nostalgic rose tinted glasses, acknowledge that you can’t have Hogwartz without the hatred, and find media that is straight up more inclusive.

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- kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Damn, you gotts love those shortcuts. You love HP ? You’re a transphobe biggot horrible person. Come on, grow up.
  
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  - z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nah. Didn’t call uou or amyone else a transphobe. Did i? Make your case that you’re not simply wanting to enjoy HP while ignoring how hurtful JK’s rhetoric has been to the trans community. You’re turning a blind eye to the pain a minority community is enduring. That doesn’t make you a transohobe, that makes you indifferent to the harm that trans people have and will continue endure because of JK’s transphobic bigotry.
    
    The company you keep isn’t inherently transphobic, but it does show you don’t care about this particular issue, which puts you in the company of transphobes. Again, the company you keep reflects on your character. And I personally find that crowd distasteful, and I’m on the internet expressing it as such until the conversation ends.
    
    I await another one of your witty retorts.
    
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- berg@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Holy fuck. I like Harry Potter and want to speak about it, so what? Because JK made a few announcements? Words do damage and I get that it’s already hard being trans and she isn’t helping. But acting like this is well just build more walls, dividing an already fucked humankind for no good reason.
  
  I respect anyone’s choice to be trans, but then you’ll have to let me discuss HP without judgement as well. And if you won’t, then you’re the problem. Because I will still respect anyone trans, but I won’t respect you.
  
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  - Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    for no good reason.
    
    Seems like a pretty good to reason.
    
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  - z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah you obviously like of Harry Potter. I don’t think I questioned that?
    
    Secondly yeah the human race particularly duvided right now, but trying to rally humanity around a brand founded by an outspoken outright TERF who has done real harm to a margianalized group deserves to be called out for what it is. A rally to form a group around a work authored by a hateful person.
    
    Saying we can somehow separate the good the work has done for some people, from the harm the author has done to the specific minority of trans people, is naive at best, and turning a blind eye to bigotry at worst.
    
    Think abiut the community you’re trying to create. It is inherently anti-trans, by the very nature of it’s association with the author.
    
    But hey, if that’s the kind of company you’d like to keep, then at least we all know who you like to associate with.
    
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  - Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “choice to be trans”
    
    Well there you go, transphobia pretending to disguise itself. Go ahead and try to justify your wording, you’ve already lost plenty of people’s respect. Of course if that “doesn’t matter” to you, you probably shouldn’t have brought it up.
    
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- stsquad@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If you limit yourself to media created only by authors that past your particular purity test your going to have a very narrow view of the world. There is a reason the HP fandom is popular and I don’t think it’s because it’s because it’s made up of budding transphobes.
  
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  - z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ve read Rowlings original HP books. They were decent. My current stance is as simple as no longer supporting her work nor supporting groups that continue to. I’m calling out you and anyone else that thinks they can some how support trans rights and still enjoy the HP universe. You’re trying to absolve yourself of somehow not being in the company of transphobic Harry Potter fans, when you clearly are. That doesn’t make you inherently transphobic, but it does indicate your love of HP more than your dislike of JK’s transphobic rhetoric. Sure you can verbally condemn JK’s transphobic rhetoric, but if you continue to engage with her content after having knowledge of her bigotry, it indicates you’re willing to turn a blind eye to hate speech in the interest of nostalgia. Probably also out of loneliness and a desperation for community.
    
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  - melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t think it’s particularly hard to find authors who aren’t actively spreading hate, actually. And I don’t think Rowling’s level of transphobia is a particularly specific purity test.
    
    Plus, Rowling takes an active role in promoting hate. She’s loud about it. She has a big platform because HP is so popular, and I think that makes her especially dangerous.
    
    She certainly seems to put her money where her mouth is too.
    
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- ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Perfectly said
  
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  - NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So where’s do trans people that still like Harry Potter fit into your equation?
    
    Should we just ignore what they think?
    
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_edge@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Sounds cool. I’m not a Harry Potter fan and certainly no fan of Rowling, but I’m really surprised that this is controversal.

How do you explain the Fediverse? You can find an instance you like. Harry Potter people can have theirs.

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TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Honestly, it’s not even about JK Rowling, the actual Harry Potter series has very poor values in general and the world is quite poorly written imo. Not something I’d want to promote to other people and even children regardless of Rowling’s nonsense. The books turned me off very much so as a kid though the movies are much more palatable. It’s just a really mean series.

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lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m neither an HP fan nor queer so take what I’m going to say with a grain of salt.

I think that the idea is mostly good, but don’t underestimate the amount of work necessary to keep your instance safe. Make sure to have admins online 24/7, that they’re all on the same page regarding rule enforcement, consult often the queer community on stuff that matters, and make sure that it’s part of your admin team.

The main thing that I believe that you need to watch out for is users lacking discernment. They’ll come in two “flavours”: the ones trying to sell JK Rowling’s transphobia, and the ones trying to sell hate against the fanbase.

Also, I’m not sure but I think that “no tolerance towards transphobia” sounds easier to enforce than “queer-friendly”. The goal is the same, the difference is less subjectivity. (In general it’s better to approach rules and their enforcement as objectively as possible.)

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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thanks for the tips, they are very helpful.
  
  I think I will exclude “queer friendly” again. It raises some false promises that I think I cannot hold. I like the term “no tolerance towards transphobia”.
  
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  - Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I would recommend only opening with regsitration application only. And only federate with instances you trust and want to get federated and have some contact with the admins that you federate with. ( On matrix or anywhere else ) We have a common, matrix channel where many admins are active ( matrix.to/#/#defense:lemmy.world ) there you get early warnings about bad stuff that could be federated to you.
    
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- Blaze@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Good advice
  
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ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The responses in this thread highlight my point. If you don’t have explicit rules to stop that shit in its tracks (which you don’t), you aren’t queer friendly, because queer folk can’t exist there without being told that transphobia is fine actually, as long as you like the person doing it.

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- hal_5700X@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  The responses in this thread highlight my point.
  
  What responses? The ones who say they can separate the content from the creator?
  
  If you don’t have explicit rules to stop that shit in its tracks (which you don’t)
  
  Here are the rules. The first rule is about not attacking groups of people. So yeah.
  
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  - Chozo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Don't bother, the person you're replying to has a storied history of notoriously bad takes, such as "porn of petite women is the same thing as CSAM" (paraphrased), and deleting comments that call out their awful takes in communities/instances they run. They aren't a sensible person.
    
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  - NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Bro it’s fucking Ada. You can safely ignore them, they get bitchy about everything.
    
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HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Look at what the collaboration of Lego and Disney brought to Fortnite.

I’m not sure if this is the example you want to follow

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blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes your post came through!
  
  Wishing you best of luck with your server.
  
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  - zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Is this actually true? Rowling herself aside, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an openly transphobic Harry Potter fan - granted I also don’t spend a huge amount of time in Harry Potter forums and stuff.
    
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- Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes. It went through
  
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  - blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ok thanks :)
    
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ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
When you say “queer friendly”, are you, the admin of the instance, gender diverse and thus directly impacted by Rowling’s transphobia? Because that’s the only voice that I’m open to hearing “queer friendly” from when it comes to Potter and Rowling.

If you’re not impacted by her bigotry, you have no place claiming that it’s queer friendly, whilst actively refusing to engage with the reality of her transphobia.

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- kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So you have to be part of the queer movement to be queer friendly ? Please go gatekeep something else
  
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  - DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No but it’s easier to determine if something is queer friendly or not. If you are just an outsider how can you accurately say what’s queer friendly?
    
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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No, I’m not. With “queer friendly” I wanted to signal my good intentions here. I don’t want to call it a safe space, because I’m not able and also not willing to provide this. Possibly in the future there will be other H.P. instances that are also safe® spaces.
  
  So yeah, “queer friendly” is more like a ideal/commitment that I want to try to hold rather than a promise/claim. Or that what was I tried to do here.
  
  If you have a different phrase that could reflect this more accuratly, I will be happy to consider it.
  
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  - ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Then blocking it will be!
    
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- HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Their rules post also doesn’t say anything about transphobic content whatsoever
  
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  - Chozo@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Why lie about something that we all can easily verify for ourselves?
    
    Rule 1: Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. DiagonLemmy.Social is not a place for you to attack other groups of people. Every one of our users has a right to browse and interact with the website and all of its contents free of treatment such as harassment, bullying, racism, antisemitism, discrimination, transphobia, hate speech, violation of privacy or threats of violence.
    
    https://diagonlemmy.social/post/108
    
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  - hal_5700X@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They do. It’s the first rule.
    
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- NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No one cares what you think
  
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lstwndr@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fuck this.

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dubbel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think this is a good idea and wish you all the best.

Moderation will be key of course, but the rules ( diagonlemmy.social/post/108 ) sound good.

At the same time, if somebody doesn’t even want to think about HP, they can easily block the entire instance, no harm no foul.

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ombremad@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I personally think it’s a very bad idea and politics will catch up on you eventually. But whatever floats your boat.

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inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

it has a no tolerancy policy against transphobia

Does this include discussion of Rowlings current work like Bad Blood?

I ask because it gets to the core of why “separate art from artist” can’t apply when you are promoting the works of active bigots. Reading Poe or Seuss harms no one, but starting a community to promote upcoming projects from a bigots, such as the TV show or the games.

It feels HP fans want to have their cake and eat it to, you can’t be a trans ally AND be promoting the works of someone who uses that capital to actively harm trans folk. Which is why so many trans people are asking you to stop.

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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Its H.P. themed not Rowling themed. If they want to talk about Bad Blood in the literature section, sure. Like on all other literature instances, too.
  
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  - inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Okay, but can you understand how that logic isn’t very consistent? Bad Blood itself is itself explicitly transphobic (a male killer dressing as a woman specfically to stalk women in the bathroom), it’s inherently biased bigoted propaganda. So discussion of the text would be allowed in literature section. Just not if it were transphobic?
    
    You are trying to have it both ways. It’s easy enough to say you won’t allow transphobic content, but not to understand what that is nor listen trans folk pointing it out.
    
    I mean frankly, you are gonna have the community regardless what I or any other trans person say, which is your right. Just please acknowledge that this isnt how an ally would act. It’s actively cognitive dissonance to have a nontransphobic discussion of Bad Blood or any of Rowlings work.
    
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- MadhuGururajan@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You and other trans who are asking people to stop are missing one important point: Harry Potter is the reason many trans people are still alive.
  
  A story can walk farther even if the storyteller faltered sooner.
  
  You have to understand that people often lose their way. It’s in the nature of many humans to do so.
  
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  - inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Harry Potter is the reason many trans people are still alive.
    
    And transphobia in main stream society is why many trans people are NOT alive today. Something that Rowling directly perpuates via Harry Potter. Every bathroom bill she champions and every trans inclusive space she attacks is part of this. Without question she is the biggest most influential name when it comes to transphobia. You can wax poetic that she “lost her way” and think of the good ole days but that doesn’t change the fact that her current actions are directly causing harm and the trans community is asking you to please stop celebrating her work. Rowling herself sees her continued public support of her work as direct endorsement of her bigoted views.
    
    So if you truly do want to prioritize miniziming self harm then please understand how your actions and this community is supporting harm.
    
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  - ogler@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    whoa, was Voldemort after them?
    
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BreakDecks@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Read it fully dammit - OP outright said “Instead, it has a no tolerancy policy against transphobia, which is more clear and probably easier to enforce.”
  
  The matter here is subjectivity. What two people consider “friendly” depends on a thousand factors; and that won’t change just because they’re both queer, since they’re still different individuals.
  
  As such, “this is queer-friendly” is a hard promise to keep. It breaks once the first queer person says “I’m queer, and I don’t consider this friendly”.
  
  However, once you say “no tolerance towards transphobia”, the picture changes. Transphobia exists on a discursive level; it’s shit that people say that denigrates trans people. And the discourse is not something inside someone’s mind, it’s the stuff that is shared by people, thus far more objective.
  
  For example, if I were to utter something transphobic, I wouldn’t have room to say “well, that person there is queer, and they didn’t feel offended”. It’s transphobic so it gets the chop.
  
  Alternatively, think on it another way. Would you rather stumble upon a community and then realise that it’s friendlier than it looks like? Or one that promises something vague, that won’t hold true for your personal experience? I’d probably prefer the former, and I think that most other people - including the queer ones - are the same.
  
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- xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh no, not them removing a vague vibe in place of an explicit policy on transphobia.
  
  What an absurd reason to defederate a server
  
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Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
*heating up the popcorn and preparing for the outraaaaage!

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nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Best of Luck to you. I find that a creator is indelibly linked to their creation, while they are still living (and their beliefs definitely color it long after they are dead). So, while Rowling draws breath, I endeavor to give her neither profit nor advertising. I do absolutely understand the draw that the fandom has, despite the very problematic aspects of the setting - I’m not going to shit on what people enjoy, though I think that acknowledging the problematic is important.

More than anything, I see that there are a lot of extremely creative people in the fandom. This is easy to prove. You just need to look at all of the cosplayers over the years that have made their own costumes from scratch. I hope that some channel that creative energy into making something better and more inclusive (that doesn’t fund hate against trans people).

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MBM@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Best of luck!

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mintdaniel42@futurology.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Could you provide the instance url?

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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
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  diagonlemmy.social
  
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ONRYO@feddit.ch ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ok

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RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So…where is it? Where is the link? I don’t see a link.

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- blueberry@diagonlemmy.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  diagonlemmy.social
  
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Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How much of every 1$ spent on HP merchandise makes it to to Rowling’s pocket? Because there is a big difference between being a patron at a business and consuming a narrative product. Further, do you think it’s the billionaire that you’re affecting with your choice? Or the thousands of employees that will be laid off in a heartbeat before said billionaire loses a single dime?

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JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Rowling is an hell of a woman. She’s donated more money than we will ever earn and doesn’t dodge her taxes.

She lost her billionaire status a few years ago after donating between 160 to 200 million quid!

Say what you want about her views on gender, but she has done more good for the world than most.

Introduced an entire generation to reading. Millions of kids who weren’t big readers picked up lifetime habits!

Started or donated to many charities. Including the Multiple Sclerosis Society Scotland, The Maggie’s Centres for Cancer Care, Doctors Without Borders, and more. She founded the Children’s High Level Group, known as Lumos, which works to “end the systematic institutionalization of children across Europe and help them find safer, more caring places to live.” She has also contributed to various other charitable causes through her philanthropic trust, Volant.

Helped save female Afghani lawyers from the taliban.

Funded the Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology clinic in Edinburgh.

And rather more contentiously, has stuck to her guns about the areas where she believes sex should take precedence over gender identity in the face of abuse, rape and death threats.

And now employment tribunals are ruling again and again that gender critical views are perfectly reasonable to hold and in fact are legally protected.

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threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m interested to see how this goes. What communities will the instance have?

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onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How is it Harry Potter themed? There don’t seem to be any specific Harry Potter colors, backgrounds, icons, emojis, etc.

What do you mean by “themed”?

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- MBM@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same way programming.dev is programming-themed, I assume: the communities all fit the common theme of being about Harry Potter
  
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  - onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I disagree with the use of “theme”. It evokes a visual for me. If you went to a “Harry Potter themed conference” and saw nothing that was visually Harry Potter, wouldn’t you feel like the mark was missed?
    However, if you said it’s “centered”, “focused”, “related”, or something similar, then there’s no visual.
    
    When you talk about a website theme, most likely you’re talking about visuals. Dark, light, dusk, sunset, etc. When going to a X-themed website, I expect visuals that go along with that theme.
    
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