I don’t mean you can’t choose to not associate. What I’m hinting at is that you can disassociate with a group without the drama. HP fans aren’t all bigots, that’s obvious right? I like Wagner’s music, I’m not a fucking Nazi. It’s such a weird hill to die on with everything going on.
And choice to be trans? I dunno if it’s a choice anymore than I “choose” to love the same sex.
It’s not the point, and I hope you got that but just couldn’t leave without slapping my wrist.
Yeah words matter. But thanks for clarifying it wasn’t your point.
Nobody’s gonna call you a Nazi for liking Wagner. But I will say you like a Nazi’s music and if you start hanging out with other Wagner enthisiasts, you might very well find yourself in the company of Nazis. Sure they aren’t all Nazis, and I’m sure that if you were to find out some or most of them were ,you’d rightly distance yourself from the group.
My original argument isn’t about the quality of the works in question, it’s about whether it’s okay to ignore the hateful rhetoric of JKR and the harm she causes trans people with said rhetoric, solely in the interest of creating and engaging in community around her work.
It’s insensitive to a group already marginalized in societies at large because to form a community around HP inherently excludes them, not because trans people can’t see the value in HP or it’s literary quality, but because they can’t disassociate the work from the author because the author targeted them specifically, and in recent memory.
Additionally, Wagner, while a controversial figure as Hitler’s favorite musician, was never explicitly anti-semitic. The same cannot be said of JK Rowling and her transphobic rhetoric. So the comparison isn’t quite as astute as you might believe it to be.
berg@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I don’t mean you can’t choose to not associate. What I’m hinting at is that you can disassociate with a group without the drama. HP fans aren’t all bigots, that’s obvious right? I like Wagner’s music, I’m not a fucking Nazi. It’s such a weird hill to die on with everything going on.
It’s not the point, and I hope you got that but just couldn’t leave without slapping my wrist.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Yeah words matter. But thanks for clarifying it wasn’t your point.
Nobody’s gonna call you a Nazi for liking Wagner. But I will say you like a Nazi’s music and if you start hanging out with other Wagner enthisiasts, you might very well find yourself in the company of Nazis. Sure they aren’t all Nazis, and I’m sure that if you were to find out some or most of them were ,you’d rightly distance yourself from the group.
My original argument isn’t about the quality of the works in question, it’s about whether it’s okay to ignore the hateful rhetoric of JKR and the harm she causes trans people with said rhetoric, solely in the interest of creating and engaging in community around her work.
It’s insensitive to a group already marginalized in societies at large because to form a community around HP inherently excludes them, not because trans people can’t see the value in HP or it’s literary quality, but because they can’t disassociate the work from the author because the author targeted them specifically, and in recent memory.
Additionally, Wagner, while a controversial figure as Hitler’s favorite musician, was never explicitly anti-semitic. The same cannot be said of JK Rowling and her transphobic rhetoric. So the comparison isn’t quite as astute as you might believe it to be.