Submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
A ‘Shocking’ Amount of the Web Is Already AI-Translated Trash, Scientists Determine::Researchers warn that most of the text we view online has been poorly translated into one or more languages—usually by a machine.
I’ve been saying for quite a while now that the Internet was best in the '90s and early 2000s back before it was commercialized, even despite all the “under construction” gifs and whatnot. The signal/noise ratio has only continued to drop since then.
Counterpoint: the Internet still exists as it did back then, but relatively smaller compared to what it’s become.
You just need to find the right people and content to interact with, which is harder now because there’s so much more garbage. I’d say they have grown in absolute numbers.
I get what you’re saying that '90s-style content is largely still there if you look for it, but this…
…which is harder now because there’s so much more garbage…
…has nevertheless destroyed the “Internet as it existed back then,” which was specifically an Internet where finding such content was easy.
Is it harder? It was very hard to find anything on the old internet.
I hope you remember the amounts of spam and machine-translated text back then.
Being not an English speaker, you’d basically expect most of what you find to be machine-translated and bad at that.
Pirate localizations of games were basically translated the way that you’d get some basic idea sometimes somewhere, but in general it was probably worse than the English version, which would at least make some sense if you knew some English.
It’s people and IT companies which were better.
Since I am an English speaker, my '90s Internet experience was very different than that. There were “link farms” (pages designed to exploit early search engine algorithms that scored pages higher when they got linked to a lot) and e-mail spam, of course, but being unsophisticated, it was generally a lot easier not to get suckered in by than the advertorials and shit we have today.
You forgot the pop-ups, forced midi music, easily injected malware, difficulty in verifying sources, html frames that frequently broke, the entire concept of needing a site map, fucking keywords, true banner ads that could force clicks with Javascript, and RealPlayer to name a few. I don’t miss it at all.
No I didn’t forget anything. It was still better even despite all that.
It was always bad, it’s just now bad in a slightly different way. I’ve been online since 1994 and, yeah. If anything, it’s a bit easier to avoid malware and scams these days. Even websites from reputable sources were shade as fuck back then, with seizure-inducing popups and a minefield of JavaScript malware with no real options for VPN or blocking ads.
It’s been getting steadily better over the past 10 years or so, and the AI nonsense is threatening to send us back to the early internet Wild West.
All we need now is for Microsoft to start including 30 very sketchy ‘demos’ and mandatory adware with Windows again and the nostalgia will be complete.
The internet is light years ahead today. What we need is anti-ai filters in our browser to keep our browsing clean of shitty AI nonsense.
More evidence for the Dead Internet Theory.
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts that the Internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation, marginalizing organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe these bots are created intentionally to help manipulate algorithms and boost search results in order to ultimately manipulate consumers. Furthermore, some proponents of the theory accuse government agencies of using bots to manipulate public perception, stating “The U. S. government is engaging in an artificial intelligence powered gaslighting of the entire world population”.
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Fucking ironic
Lol, read the room bot.
WikiBot on Lemmy!
Good bot
Thanks, scientists, couldn’t have known that without you.
There is value in verifying and quantifying opinion, even if your sure this opinion is true.
*you’re sure
Next up: scientists detect sarcasm.
No way.
Recently I was looking for info (in finnish) how to prevent car windows from fogging. I found a really weird website all about car windows, but it was weird since it kept confusing car and house windows. Is instructed to clean car windows by “opening the window and cleaning between the panels”.
It was obviously ai-generated, but I couldn’t figure out why. They weren’t selling anything, there were no ads and no links to other websites or services.
It’s probably either waiting for approval to sell ads or was denied and they’re adding more stuff. Google has a virtual monopoly on ads, and their approval process can take 1-2 weeks. Google’s content policy basially demands that your site by full of generated trash to sell ads. I did a case study here, in which Google denied my popular and useful website for ads until I filled it with the lowest-quality generated trash imaginable. That might help clarify what’s up.
What an absolute ballbag Google is.
The posts are from march 2023, and there are no ads yet :/
Hey man! I’ve read this article a few times, perhaps from other comments on Lemmy!
Thanks for the write-up. I’m a programmer myself.
Stuck in operations in my new job until we’re done with the data center exit/ migration. Anyway cool beans, and very interesting article. Will keep all this in mind if any of my hobby projects take off.
Instead of feeling defeated, like every other millennial that doesn’t want to work,
That is one weird glib to throw in there.
Perhaps parking a site for traffic and then using the enshitified data to sell it?
It makes me sick how dumb it sounds.
People who care about SEO for their window-related businesses will pay the blog to link to them from there.
That would make sence, also the domain is really good (lasinvaihto.fi, translates to windscreenreplacement.fi). Maybe they are planning to sell the domain?
Good bot.
I need an AI Firefox extension that detects badly translated AI text and automatically blocks those domains.
A search engine that displays only human created content, and hides AI.
That will probably never be possible.
That’s actually a pretty good idea.
It is and it isn’t, “AI detection” is even crappier than AI is.
For a time I thought this Fediverse thing would help or change things or something, but honestly…the Internet is just plain boring now…and it’s pretty clear what is causing that: AI SEO trash content, social media’s rise, and commercialization of the Internet generally.
One day I was even feeling nostalgic so I went back to where I spent hours upon hours of my youth: EFNet on IRC…there was basically nobody there and of the few channels I saw some were even Trump-leaning weirdo communities.
It’s basically finished. I can’t even find a decent place to procrastinate or hang out anymore on this POS. It’s all just a giant ad surface and e-commerce portal. The fucking owners won.
EFNet is boomer shit. Most of IRC happens on other servers now, like LiberaChat, or on new protocols like Matrix.
We’re still here, we’re still alive
Yo someone mentioned librechat while I was on hexchat. How do I get onto a librechat server?
The fucking owners won.
Always has been 🔫
That said, I would suggest smaller communities and private messaging. Find your niche and make it home.
Yep, it might have been hijacked by consumers but it’s still a a communication network.
The most annoying aspect of this is when you know actual information has to be out there, but it is being drowned out by dozens of sites reposting the less relevant and low quality information… And then you go to search in another language and you see substandard machine translations of all the garbage you were just fleeing, lol.
I was trying to find the radius of the corner of the iPad Pro. Not the screen, the actual device. No matter what I kodified my search term to all I could find was information about the screen corner (and how it isn’t a true radius and blah blah blah) or AI generated bullshit.
Eventually I gave up and changed the way I was tackling my project.
It’s getting to the point where I have to use AI to help me sift through all the AI bullshit :(
Turing tests solving turing tests solving turing tests
The whole webring idea needs to come back. Human curated recommendations of good resources and pages. So long as these pages remain in the control of humans and dedicated to curation and are decentralised, unlike the search engines, then they’ll be reliable.
Plugging in some social and community organisation, perhaps like a wiki, and you could get even more out of it.
There are modern webrings. Dang the yesterweb webring shut down, that was a really good one.
Got any other reccos? I’m brand new to the concept
This isn’t shocking at all. The markets for obscure language content is incredibly small, so there’s no incentive for most to spend resources on it. I’d argue mediocre machine translation is better than nothing at all in many cases, but for unsupervised training it does pose a challenge.
They didn’t only look at low-resource languages, they just started there because that was the problem domain. They found that 57% of ALL sentences on the Internet appeared to be machine translated, including translations into high-resource languages. The remaining 43% might also be machine translated, it just wasn’t found to be part of a multi-way parallel group.
Too good not to be ruined by humanity
In the beginning humanity was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
Douglas Adams, probably…
I had a lot of fun pasting that into dalle the other day, created some funny stuff.
Translation is very different from generation.
As a matter of fact, even AI generation has different grades of quality.
SEO garbage is certainly not the same as an article with AI generated components and very different from a translated article.
This is basic math, articles are written in one language but there are lots of languages they can be translated into so if a site written in English has a Spanish, french, and Portuguese version 75% of that counts as ai translated garbage - because apparently having stuff available to non English speakers is a bad thing now?
As for ‘poorly’ What’s their mechanism for determinng it? How much is well translated or are they just assuming it’s poor because it’s possible it could be? Likewise what percentage is human translated and how do they determine that? Or is it another assumption to fit their narrative?
Clickbait doomer nonsence.
People who actually read the article don’t need to ask questions that were answered in the cited source.
So it is just over extrapolated junk that doesn’t add anything to anything, good to know.
Well you read the article, but didn’t comprehend it.
AI is going to fuck up everything we’ve ever done.
We fucked up on our own SEO long before chatgpt came along. Google has been going downhill for years as people learn to game the algorithm.
It will speed it along sure, but the core problem is that is profitable to dump garbage on the internet and put ads on it. The monitozation is the root of this.
Is this really 2024? I felt myself in 2004 for a moment.
If only. 2004 was better.
I agree. If I could go back to the 1980s, I would.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I recently was searching for some tips on overlanding routes. So many sites are just long strung together SEO word salad.
1984@lemmy.today 10 months ago
I bet you get better results with Kagi. I don’t see much crap in my results with it.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Looks interesting. I recommend Perplexity.ai for finding information (sourced), like a more accurate GPT.