wait till they rediscover seatbelts
Yet they immediately forgot again
Submitted 11 months ago by negativenull@lemm.ee to risa@startrek.website
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xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 11 months ago
GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 11 months ago
If bracing for impact is good enough for the Enterprise, it's good enough for my Hyundai.
aeronmelon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Everyone else in the minivan:
TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org 11 months ago
In my CRV I’ll often initiate attack plan omega.
Zorque@kbin.social 11 months ago
That's what the inertial dampeners are for!
... if they were working
aeronmelon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“Inertial dampeners have failed.”
Many times someone will say this while the ships is performing combat maneuvers at several hundred kilometers per second.
If that were true, everyone onboard would instantly become “chunky salsa.” (Obscure Trek-related quote, for anyone that can place it.)
xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 11 months ago
Have you tried diverting power from life support yet?
Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 months ago
and start actually putting on space suits when they should.
xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 11 months ago
But then they can’t get infected by the secret bioengineered virus left behind by the extinct species!
StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 11 months ago
Then gatekeeping fans will say it breaks canon, has to be an alternate timeline/universe because they didn’t need those in TOS/TNG.
Oh, wait, that’s one of the criticisms of the environmental suits in Discovery and SNW…
lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 11 months ago
THEY DO HAVE THEM! Every once in a while a trek will show seatbelts and then proceed to forget about them later.
Maultasche@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Isn’t there a joke about that in Nemesis?
mkwt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Once again I remind you all that these consoles are not powered by a substance as boring as regular electricity. Oh no. It has to be highly energetic tuned plasma…straight to the user interface consoles…for, uh, reasons.
aeronmelon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The reason is because the engines produce this material as a waste product. So instead of venting it into space it’s processed and funneled back through the ship to power everything from lights to equipment.
Very efficient and very VERY dangerous. Many Vulcans retired from the VSA because Humans pulled shit like this.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Wouldn’t it be easier and safer to just use it to generate boring old electricity and send that through the ship? Maybe the danger is there to keep the crew excited and working at maximum efficiency…
mkwt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
All I’m saying is, there’s no way this would pass a MIL-STD-882 safety assessment in the twenty first century. So I have no idea how they got their spaceworthiness certificate.
Zorque@kbin.social 11 months ago
Gotta have a way to effortlessly kill redshirts. Whoops! Another plasma conduit blew out. Poor Gary.
Sdnimm543@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Battle shorting the practice of negating the fuses in a ship or other war machine because a blown fuse disabling a key system could lead to the loss of the whole ship in battle, and the equipment can maybe work over its rated limit for a time when necessary. Cathode Ray Dude did a video about it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJ_6LCly4A
Spot@startrek.website 11 months ago
“In a battle or emergency, where the survival of the vessel (or other protected asset) is dependent upon the continued operation of the equipment, it is sometimes wiser to risk equipment damage than have the equipment shut down when it is needed. For example, the electrical drives to elevate and traverse the guns of a combat warship may have “battleshort” fuses, which are simply copper bars of the correct size to fit the fuse holders, as failure to return fire in a combat situation is a greater threat to the ship and crew than damaging or overheating the electrical motors.”
Huh. Learn something all the time.
Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 11 months ago
So sticking a penny in the fuse slot in my car is actually a galaxy brain move.
bouh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Something can probably be done though with matter synthetiser and teleporters.
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If only they had Space OSHA.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That would be so cool a sci-fi adaption of forklift-driver Klaus (warning, a bit gory but hilarious):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJYOkZz6Dck
bouh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Another problem is about where to redirect the overcharge. In space there is no ground where the current can go. Yet you need to dissipate the energy somewhere.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Back at the attacking ship, obviously!
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Let me just pull a grounding wire to there.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s probably grounded to the hull somewhere, put in a couple electric gizmos and feed the power back into your batteries. Now the enemy is charging your ship while they blow it up because you didn’t turn on your sheild.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Oh great, now what am I supposed to do with all these extra damage-accentuation rocks?!?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
Do we have fuses that can safely dissipate like 350Megajoules?
Neato@kbin.social 11 months ago
Fuses don't dissipate electricity. They pass electricity and then blow when exceeded. Blowing is either flipping off (like your breaker) or breaking (like replaceable fuses). The point of a fuse is to be the weakest link so if a surge occurs it doesn't damage equipment or wiring.
In the case you described, they were looking for a load (where energy is used or dissipated to do work) to absorb that much energy at once. There might be a fuse that could withstand that kind of load; there was wiring that could afterall. But if the shield system could absorb the full power of an overloaded warp core, it might not have needed one if there was no downside to overcharging it.
Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 11 months ago
Do we have fuses that can safely dissipate like 350Megajoules?
A 350 Megajoule fuse oughta do it
marcos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hum… I have 75MJ varistor on each phase of the main wiring of my house. Those are not fuses (because fuses don’t have a total energy ratio) but I can certainly get a few more for the Enterprise it they want.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That’s 21 kilowatt hours worth of energy, are you sure about that?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe don’t put so many things that can catch fire on the bridge too.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
In the 24th Century they discovered that liquid napalm was a highly efficient electrical conductor … so they used it to wire their ships.
lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 11 months ago
When you consider that the bridge is on the top and center of the saucer section and a very enticing target the constant explosions make a bit of sense. It’s not that the enterprise got shot in the ass and it sent a current up to the computer that monitors shift rotations, no the high powered energy weaponry is aimed right on the other side of the wall. Structural integrity fields, shields, ablative armor, and other technobabble keep the the whole bridge from popping like a balloon when something bad happens.
It’s like if your tv is plugged into a house with breakers and safely on a surge protector it’s not going to keep your tv from getting fried if zeus decides to target that outlet specifically and strike it.
meteorswarm@beehaw.org 11 months ago
Why not put the bridge somewhere internal, then? It’s not like it needs windows.
lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 11 months ago
The enterprise c did have a battle bridge that they used mostly for saucer separations, but there were times when they used it saucer in place and there are some ships which have more protected configurations.
Disregarding the IRL reasons of that’s just where it always goes, I believe the in universe reason is that starfleet at its core does not like to identify as a true military organization. It’s why the enterprise C is built like a cruise ship and why despite being a swift science vessel voyager is also very spacious and sleek and elegant on the inside. They do make plenty of starships that are top in class and capable of holding their own against anything else out there, but starfleet is not in the business of making warships. They overtly mention this in DS9 when it is mentioned that the Defiant is officially an “escort vessel” even though it is a very no frills combat vessel.
Of course they can get away with this concession because generally the shields do most of the work when it comes to absorbing hits anyway. Once shields are down if another vessel wants to go for the kill it wont take long for it to tear through the hull. In theory the centralized location also means that the bridge can get additional protection by tilting the saucer away from the enemy(sorry lower decks).
LongbottomLeaf@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
that what*
CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Resettable fuses and circuit breakers!
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Basic overcurrent protection? In my sci-fi?
Next you’re gonna tell me you can’t just “re-route power” by pressing buttons on a screen and not, you know, actually unhooking any wires!
admiralteal@kbin.social 11 months ago
Building everything to be able to re-route to everything is WHY all the consoles are constantly exploding.
BloodSlut@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What do you mean you dont want to reroute all the power for the warp engines into the navigation console?
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 11 months ago
O’Brien constantly breaking good cardassian engineering with internal federation secondary backups.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly, sure you could have relays or Automatic Transfer Switches like we use from generators. But if you’re just slamming more power at stuff than it’s meant to use, where’s your overcurrent protection?
wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 11 months ago
one of my favorite jokes about this is on TNG. i think it's the episode where the bridge gets cut off from the rest of the ship, and Troi is in charge of running the ship. O'Brian makes a comment to Ro about how you can't 'just reroute power from things'.
it's a funny little nod from the writers.
m_r_butts@kbin.social 11 months ago
You kind of can, though. A solar system on a house can switch between batteries and mains. It can even do that by itself. Surely if the Enterprise needed that kind of thing, it wouldn't be hard to build into the ship's design.
marcos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t know about you people, but personally, I always write programs at work by removing boards from my computer and plugging them in a different order.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s why they are so fit and resourceful. Imagine carrying every IF statement by hand.
Eylrid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That not too far off how they used to program computers with punch cards
Norgur@kbin.social 11 months ago
How do you know the buttons don't trigger relais or the like which then actually unhook the wires?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
Judging from what things look like when they open up the walls, they could just be telling the system to use a specific circuit path. It looks like everything is just a bunch of blocks or cards with super dense computer chips on them and half the repairs we ever see are just these being unslotted and replaced. The other half being waving fake tools around.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
High-voltage switches might be a bit complicated. One I’ve seen requires you to tighten a spring and then have it released extremely fast to prevent sparking. Still, there should be a way to do it safely, without having to go near or touch the wiring.