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https://nypost.com/2023/09/13/apple-users-bash-new-iphone-15-innovation-died-with-steve-jobs/
Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Not Impossible support.apple.com/iphone/…/battery-replacement
Grab FairPhone.
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
are there any great innovations left
Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agrew with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.
Of course, they’re just being done on Android until Apple takes them on later and markets them as their innovations.
Foldables are already a thing and the next iPhone will likely be their version of it.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
I’ve commented this elsewhere in this thread:
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now USB-C”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
I dislike Apple, but I think it’s mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn’t doing it.
I think innovations in phones are going to go the other direction honestly. Shit like eink displays, batteries that last days, fuck it, am/fm… New consumer tech is outpacing the users needs. I see a touch of old standards making a comeback. Hell how old is USB-C?
Fuck it, but an antenna and TV tuner on there. Give Cathode Ray Dude something to enjoy.
What you’re describing is not innovation.
I am holding out for rollables! There still so many things that can be done. Satellite coms and holographic displays are my dreams.
Imagine a cell device with a whole suite of radio tools for amateur operators and professional ones. Im waiting for the FTC to open up some fun bands for us to play with as they open up while consumers etc switch to the newer ones.
i just don’t see holographic displays being all that great to interact with. they might look pretty, but what’s the advantage over what we have now?
Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.
Innovation is kind of their job
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Thats 50% of modern journalism. The other 50% is copying police press releases verbatim without investigation.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
You could easily replace the battery back then! Not on iPhones, but on many Android devices.
It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don’t use those anyway. You really don’t need 8-core CPU on your phone but it’s 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.
No matter what others say, you really don’t feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It’s just consumerism at work.
Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don’t. Even most developers don’t know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users… but for the most part it’s just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.
As for the every imaginable feature… it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don’t have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don’t have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah… removing those is considered brave.
Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
Better local AI capability. It’s definitely something they are working with, introducing new accelerator features with new processors. Currently most of the actually great AI tools still require you to offload the workload to a server somewhere. And some stuff is not worth doing in a mobile device before it can be done at a fraction of the power.
For the basic hardware features, mainly the camera and image processing tools are actually relevant. Almost all non professional photography in the world is now done with phones and there is still a lot to do to improve the miniature cameras.
Some of the greatest new features from the past few years are things people don’t even realize weren’t always there. Like for example my phone opens up when I pick it up and look at it. And locks when I put it down. This makes usage so much more fluid and is something that did not happen just ten years ago. This kind of UI optimizations are way more important than some numbers in spec sheet. And the local AI processing I mentioned is a key in enabling more situations where the phone understands what you want without you explicitly pressing buttons.
A Siri that doesn’t feel like it’s ~13.5 years old would be nice, especially with the advancements in LLMs. I use Siri daily (timers, alarms, weather check while in bed, etc.) but it feels SO ancient. Can’t even ask it follow-up questions.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging right of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features with a fraction of the price.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
Leave it to Apple to release a new iPhone with intentionally outdated, hamstrung technology just to upsell more expensive models.
My 2013 Samsung had usb 3, used a special micro USB 3 cable but still.
I just miss all the backwards comparability Jobs used to maintain. When he was driving the bus, he may have been a complete asshole, but he made sure a 12 year old mac computer could still work with the new tech, as best as it could.
Snow Leopard was the last, glorious OSX that was secure (enough), and very malleable.
Now? I want to dump their whole ecosystem.
Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.
Hear this remark every year now.
Imagine if these stupid fucking articles came out about desktops and laptops each year. What is wrong with you people that you upvote this shit out come in here bitching about how apple NEVER innovated.
I was watching the announcement yesterday and afterwards I was trying to recollect what cool new feature there was, I had to rewatch it because I fell asleep, but even then I couldn’t find anything. They should thank the EU that they at least can talk about the difference between USB2 and USB3 speeds.
Apple fans are delusional, the iPhone has always don’t tiny ass incremental changes. This is par for the course.
Most hilarious is adding USB-C, announcing lightning 5 and then keeping the transfer rate on their flagship phones at USB 2.0 speeds.
It died long before Steve Jobs did. Steve straight up fought tooth and nail to keep superior emerging technologies like OLED off new iPhone’s.
Apple has n’t made anything impressive and quite a long time
Huh, so that’s why Apple stocks dropped
I find it amusing that it’s taken Apple fans this long to realize this.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Xia@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
BobKerman3999@feddit.it 1 year ago
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
Johanno@feddit.de 1 year ago
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
nxdefiant@startrek.website 1 year ago
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’s likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Fredol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You’re right.
Apple is the first company to ever try rounded corners.
bigschnitz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 year ago
In every way except for starters their UI is absolutely dog shit
BetaBlake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.
They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.
HellAwaits@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 year ago
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.
ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
June@lemm.ee 1 year ago
lmao what?
TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.
Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 year ago
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.