Asus Co-CEO: MacBook Neo Is a 'Shock' to the PC Industry

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• BigTrout75@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I can’t speak for Macs. But in the Linux world, 8GB is fine. In Windows it’s awful because of all that bloat. I’m guessing Macs fair better for OS efficiency.

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  • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Macs don’t have copilot so that’s like 4GB saved right there

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    • BigTrout75@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ha ha ha. True!

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    • kratoz29@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can it be debloated? I might do that for my parents home PC.

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  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    8GB of ram is more than fine for work as long as you have plenty of SSD space and don’t use Apple Intelligence.

    People forget that MacOS is UNIX at its core.

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  • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m running Mint on an 8BG laptop and I’m surprised by just how much can be running at one time. Right now I’m running Firefox with 10 open tabs, Waterfox with 8 tabs, Thunderbird, Keepass, Calibre, Signal, a Whatsapp client, Syncthing, Libreoffice Writer with 2 open docs & Calc with 2 open small spreadsheets, a couple of terminals and Gedit, and didn’t even notice it until came across these comments. A friend who uses Windows 11 says 32GB is recommended now.

    Microsoft must be thrilled with age verification being required at the OS level. What a great way to lock people into their Microslop garbage.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Right now I’m running Firefox with 10 open tabs,

      Oh…I guess I’m the only one who opens firefox, and literally thousands of tabs.

      One day I closed one window and it said “Are you sure you want to close 158 tabs?”

      I said yes. It was one window. I had 23 more windows.

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    • gurty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m running Arch on a Macbook Air with 2GB of RAM. Its limited, but it does what I want it to.

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    • Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      on my work PC at the moment (lovely little AMD 5700u mini-pc with 16Gb ram) I have a debloated LTSC build on W11 and two profiles of firefox running with a total of 25 tabs, a couple of them are more complex web apps but most are static pages, plus a couple of file browser, an old dumb custom invoicing app we use (~2003 application so its very light) and a VNC viewer with another machine running.

      7.9gb of ram use.

      it’s not that bad really, I mean it’s a lot for just mostly websites but we know they arent as light as they used to be, 8gb would be too little since I need some dedicated for Vram as I run 3 displays but I certainly dont need much more than 16.

      I did have 32gb in this machine at first since I was doing some light photoshop and basic CAD/CAM, but it very rarely exceeded 16gb, so I cut it back and it’s been absolutely fine.

      If you give windows more ram, it will use more ram as a baseline of course, unused ram is wasted ram.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    in the Linux world, 8GB is fine

    Yeahhhhh no

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    • scintilla@crust.piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But it is for most people.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Different people use computers for different things you know.

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    • Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Been enough for me.

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    • Nindelofocho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My old laptop is running Pop!OS on 8gigs really well. I mostly do document editing, vector graphics, and a little light gaming. Have not updated to COSMIC yet so will see how that goes. I definitely dont load it up like my beefy desktop though.

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  • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    in the Linux world, 8GB is fine

    So I presume you’re saying that the entire system shouldn’t slow down when Firefox starts swapping?

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  • Anivia@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The only time I ever use more than 8gb on my M4 Mac Mini is when I run a Win 11 VM through Parallels

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  • BladeFederation@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I use mainly Linux but Mac is more efficient with RAM than Linux is also. By a significant amount.

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    • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What?

      I use OSX for work and Linux on my personal laptop, that hasn’t been my experience at all

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    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is not more efficient. Macs use more ram in general and they both employ memory compression and caching.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s basically iOS at that point.

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    MacOS is like 6 gb of ram doing nothing

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    • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s not true at all.

      I constantly have Illustrator, Photoshop, Sibelius, Scrivener, and about 100 browser tabs open on my 10 year old MacBook with 8gb of RAM without issue.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It can also do things and still use the same 6 gigs.

      MacOS caches a lot. That memory is freed when it’s needed for other things.

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sure, but that’s a bad excuse. 16 GB is a standard even in low end nowadays.

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    • BigTrout75@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I do agree that 8GB is low. But it does fair better on Macs than Windows. This reviewer is editing his 4k videos on one. youtu.be/pCRtNeAP1dQ

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• brokenwing@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Did the difference between you and Apple is Windows 11. The don’t have a crappy copilot or Edge hoarding 4GB in the background to show the weather.

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  • Jrockwar@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s a big difference but not all. The sub-$1000 ultrabook sector has SO MUCH garbage, like Intel Celerons that stutter when you scroll down a web page designed in 2022+. Manufacturers are happy because they can sell rubbish and uncle John with no idea about computers will say “I want a laptop with 1 TB so it’s faster, and it must have free office 365 and an antivirus”…

    So when someone puts a phone processor in a laptop and builds a chassis that isn’t a $5 extruded plastic shell, they panic because it still manages to be better in both benchmarks and real world use despite the paltry amount of RAM.

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  • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Exactly. They should start installing Linux Mint and call it a day.

    Fuck Microsoft.

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  • qat@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Indeed. PC manufacturers should just invest in the Linux ecosystem.

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    • djdarren@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What, like Asus did back in 2007?

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  • kepix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    yet

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As I always say:

  …Most people need an iPad with a better keyboard.

  That’s honestly all they use their computers for. They don’t want to mess with filesystems or specs or any concepts like that, they just want to add text to their kid’s picture or send an email or read a PDF, or do things like banking or streaming that are honestly better supported as iOS apps anyway.

  And that’s basically what the Neo is.

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  • Hadriscus@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If I were a laptop maker I would have seen the writing on the wall ten years ago and invested in Linux support, but hey

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, technically, System76 and a few other white box laptop makers did. But they don’t actually make laptops.

      And to be fair to big OEMs, “it uses Linux!” was a much harder thing to market before. I can see (outside of the Framework, which caters to enthusiasts) they only dabbled with it but didn’t invest.

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  • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To be quite honest if IPads could just run Mac OS apps on it, it would be a dynamite device and I wouldn’t have even bought my MacBook. I bought an IPad for note taking, and basic work tasks I can do via SSH. The lack of desktop app support was the only thing that thing couldn’t do handily.

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    • Attacker94@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Iirc the general assumption in tech spaces was that ios and macos are going to merge in two or three major versions, so I would imagine that apple is aware of this want in their consumer base as well.

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• Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In Europe the price it’s not that appealing, it’s €699 and because they “care about environment 😉” the €99 charger (which is almost mandatory for a new user) is sold separately.

  At €798 for 256g/8g it’s not as good as the $599 they’re selling in the US.

  If someone is price sensitive, can get 3-4 refurbished ThinkPads with better specs for that price and run Linux much easier without hoping on some volunteer wizard to reverse engineer the proprietary components

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  • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    because they “care about environment 😉” the €99 charger (which is almost mandatory for a new user) is sold separately.

    It’s because they’re required by law to offer it without a power supply. See Article 3a, section 10.

    Apple’s first-party power supply isn’t “almost mandatory”, and doesn’t cost 99€. The 20W model shipped with the Macbook Neo in other markets costs 25€ on Apple’s German store, and a generic 8€ power supply from Amazon will work. The power supply most people already have for their phone will usually also work.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s because they’re required by law to offer it without a power supply. See Article 3a, section 10.

      the problem is not that, but that they are still including the price of the charger in the deal

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    • blackbeans@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The law is there solely to ensure the customer always has the option to buy the product without a charger, in order to fight waste. It doesn’t restrict manufacturers from offering the product including charger as well.

      For consumers it doesn’t matter. Capitalism is capitalism. If the price of the laptop + charger is not attractive, consumers can buy a competing product. Arguably buying an Apple on a budget is a controversial choice anyway, as the ecosystem costs (software, cloud services, accessories) are generally higher compared to OS with an open hardware architecture.

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  • SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    one caveat: the us price is without vat

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I also hate that they no longer ship chargers, but it’s a USB-C charger. Don’t most people have at least one by now? The Neo in particular doesn’t require a very powerful one.

    Now the fact that if you get an M5 Max 16" MBP which takes like a 100ish watt charger (can charge with slightly less, but with 20-30 it’ll be hopeless), you still get no charger, is utter bullshit because most people don’t have such a powerful USB-C charger around unless they’ve had a Macbook Pro made in the last decade already.

    “care about environment 😉”

    Most definitely something they’re doing for improved profit margins, but at the same time, slightly smaller boxes = more boxes per load of cargo = a bunch of CO2 saved on transport. Also they get to manufacture fewer chargers, as repeat customers won’t buy multiple chargers anymore. I do think the impact is significantly more pronounced with phones which get replaced more often and where the charger would take up a bigger percentage of the total box size.

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Got an L440, upgraded it to 16 GB and to i7, now it’s a beast. Had to “reset” its battery, otherwise it didn’t last for more than 20-30 minutes. Maybe will swap the screen to a 1080p IPS one and upgrade the WiFi/Bluetooth to modern standards.

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• Ice@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Am I the only one even a little happy to see the head of a major company mentioning upgradability as an appeal for customers?

  Please please stick with two unsoldered SODIMM slots Asus.

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t know what Asus is doing as I haven’t owned one, but some manufacturers are finally starting to do LPCAMM2. Which near me is actually cheaper than SODIMMs. And is technically superior. One reason (besides being able to sell you a new device when memory goes bad) that manufacturers solder RAM it is that it allows for faster speeds than SODIMMs, at lower power requirements.

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    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Really?!

      The only laptop I was with LPCAMM was a specific Lenovo laptop that used LPCAMM to connect to a SODIMM daughter board.

      Are there others you know of?

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    • rekabis@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That may be the case, but the most irritating thing is that thy fill all available spots with the lowest-capacity chips that meet the requested provisioning spec, instead of taking the requested provisioning and using the fewest higher-capacity chips needed to meet the provisioning spec. The latter, at least, would leave spots open for an authorized repair location to manually solder on more approved chips of compatible spec.

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  • ieGod@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He knows his market. As others have mentioned, most casual users don’t need or care about that. Personal computing has become much more niche.

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• GreenBeard@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He pointed to the laptop’s 8GB of “unified memory,” or what amounts to its RAM, and how customers can’t upgrade it.

  Given the price of RAM, you’d need to sell a kidney to upgrade it in a Windows laptop these days, so that’s not much of a difference, although 8MB is a little skimpy, I’ll give him that one.

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  • thatonecoder@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    […] although 8MB is a little skimpy

    Have we already downgraded to this???

    /s, and sorry for being pedantic

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    • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No one needs more than 640k

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  • just2look@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My phone has more RAM than that. I can’t imagine running a computer with that little memory considering how poorly optimized software tends to be at this point.

    I’m not sure what the overhead for Mac OS is, but that has to be basically rock bottom to be even considered functional unless you’re running one of the lighter Linux builds.

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    • GreenBeard@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, at its heart, Mac OS is a heavily re-tooled fork of the BSD platform, so it’s not inconceivable that it’s light enough to run on 8G. I doubt it would run well on 8G, but it could do it.

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    • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I got a free, going to be recycled, dell with 8gb of ram from work. I threw in an nvme and installed Linux. It’s not the lightest Linux install, but it is Arch, so definitely on the lighter side. I idle at under 1gb and under normal use don’t break 2. I do some coding which uses more but nothing super crazy. MacOS probably uses a little more ram, but it’s not Windows. I’d wager than the vast majority of people don’t come close to using all of that RAM, and power users are going to get hardware for the task, and this isn’t it.

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    • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just to play devil’s advocate: a smartphone is definitely a computer and has no trouble competing with older laptop CPUs in benchmarks. I see this as a difference without a distinction beyond form factor.

      8GB is 💯 barely serviceable. I see this is a product for a casual user only, with excellent build quality.

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    • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have a 2013 MBP that shipped with 8GB, the minimum amount they came with.

      Of course it also is upgradable. Which I did, to 16GB. A decade ago.

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    • undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What the fuck are you doing on a phone that you need 8 GIGABYTES of RAM? Damn son!

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  • blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    or what amounts to its RAM

    You can criticize the amount of RAM, but it’s still RAM. Clown.

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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’re hinting at the fact that those 8GB are shared between the CPU and GPU. So it’s not dedicated, which you’d expect if someone said “RAM.”

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• Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Lemmings that focus on the RAM spec are telling on themselves. 256gb storage is the real travesty here.

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  • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is it, though?

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    • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you like to actually do your computing locally, it sucks. If you’re using it for web browsing, the specs are great.

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  • Tanoh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is not a lot, but it is not that hard to extend storage. For example with an external SSD/HDD or a NAS.

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    • Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even if tethering yourself to an external drive wasn’t wildly inconvenient anyway, you would be giving up your only usb port on this thing

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The perfect time for a relatively cheap Apple laptop when Microsoft is forcing people to buy new hardware just to use their latest version of their operating system. I wonder what the percentage of Microsoft folks who go to the MacBook will be. I wonder what the percentage of users who go the UNIX/Linux route would be. I’m not an apple fan myself so would go linux, but a good business move from Apple though.

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  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Apple user share is beneficial for Linux user share.

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  • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That would be interesting to watch.

    If I ever had to buy a personal laptop again, it’d definitely make the list.

    Obnoxious hardware prices are what kept me off mac for so long. Now all prices are obnoxious maybe it would even out.

    Great move if they can capitalize on it

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They were making a lot on build quality, convenience, brand, ecosystem, cultism, software quality, but not so much on power.

      Now power became more expensive for suppliers, and for things listed before it you have to restructure marketing and everything. Apple doesn’t have that problem. They also have rid themselves of the legacy problem by two softer changes (dropping 32 bit Intel, then moving to ARM) instead of one hard change.

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• MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m suspicious.

  I’m seeing social media FLOODED with Neo content. Definitely not organic.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tinfoil hat aside, that could also be due to how disruptive it is in the tech world.
    Maybe it’s just a literal bomb to everyone involved in decision making and now making the waves in the news.

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• Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I honestly dont care about the 8gb of ram, that is plenty for the target audience given MacOS’s pretty good memory management, and optimisation of the first party apps the majority of users will use. I would have liked to see the base price be $499, but that would probably have needed something to be cut down to outside of apples standards, like the display or chassis quality.

  I’m a little disappointed by the limited USB, its just one usb 3.0 (not 3.1 as far as I know) and one 2.0, I know that’s a limitation of the platform, there arent really any spare PCIE lanes on a phone SOC. They could have put in a USB Hub chip to get two USB 3.0 ports with shared bandwidth, but I suspect that was difficult to do with reliable video and power throughput and someone decided saving a dollar was more important. That’s plenty for your average user, but a pair of usb 3.1 would have been preferred of course.

  However… how many average PC users even use USB now? maybe just a thumb drive very rarely or to use an external display. I’m surprised it even has a headphone jack and an SD reader honestly.

  I’d suspect the next gen model to use the newer iPhone chip that should bump the memory up to 12gb and I think has a usb 3.1 controller, so they could break that out better.

  I dont hate it. it’s filling in what used to be the mid range of laptops that has kinda died in the last 10 years and is full of spec bumped versions of bottom tier plastic garbage with awful screens and short battery life, and a couple of underspecced cut down versions of nicer metal case laptops that are just not very good either.

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  • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have to use MacBook for work, I guess it depends on the load but I doubt 8GB is enough unless you are just browsing, in which case far cheaper devices can fill that nieche.

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• espentan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “We can’t believe Apple aren’t fucking consumers harder! Apple?! have been fucking everyone so hard, for so long and people have just been bending over and taking it, and so we’re very shocked to see them decide not to go maximum fuck-you with this product”

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• xep@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can I put Linux on it? Because otherwise refurb Thinkpad Carbons are cheaper and better.

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its still a Mac

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• PieMePlenty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe Asus should invest more into linux and start shipping it on their laptops by default? Maybe add an improved software compatibility layer for windows apps to get more people in?

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• LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well good, maybe it’ll incentivise y’all fuckers to sell actually usable machine instead of Bordeline e-waste Celerons with a 4GB of RAM in the ultra-budget segment

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• just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The failure rates of these will be the determining factor. The components inside are cheap, all soldered on, and will not be repairable at all (waiting on the iFixIt score).

  Its pretty much just their phone platform with a big screen and keyboard, so maybe it’ll be okay. It’s not built like a phone though, so I’m expecting some interesting testing outcomes. It’s either going to be cheap enough that they have a new planned obsolescence hit on their hands, or people are going to be pissed at it sucking so hard.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think the real shock is the quality of windows and Microsoft, and the laptop industry also… When everything about a pc laptop is worse than a mac laptop, why do we expect?

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• FireWire400@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He pointed to the laptop’s 8GB of “unified memory,” or what amounts to its RAM, and how customers can’t upgrade it.

  Yes, because Asus laptops all have non-soldered RAM…

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• fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They’ve had Mac minis for over a decade.

  I find this hard to believe.

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• GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For Windows if 8 gb of RAM is not enough that’s an own-goal. Because it is. Or it should be. Windows 11 is not so dramatically better than Windows Vista SP3 to require a 10x better computer to use comfortably. Actually, in many ways Windows 11 is a massive downgrade from what came before it.

  I’m glad the MacBook neo is only 8gb. That means they have to support it as a usable low-end target. That means we aren’t jumping the gun on saying “actually you need 12 gigs of RAM” as if that should be normal for a usable computer.

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• JigglySackles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  8GB of unupgradable ram is unforgivable in today’s software landscape. Even if the OS is memory efficient, running multiple software still takes ram. I get it’s a $600 laptop, but that’s still an inexcusably low amount of ram for anything but grandma and similar.

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• vane@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He also described the MacBook Neo as a “content consumption” device, similar to an iPad. “This is different from the use case of a mainstream notebook," which can handle more compute-intensive tasks, Hsu said.

  I don’t know what windows have out of the box but is MacBook really content consuming device ?

  Free build in OS offline office apps Word = Pages, Excel=Numbers, Power Point = Keynote, Adobe alternatives like Photomator, Pixelmator or Motion, - All that and more as part of Apple Creator Studio. Notes, Calendar, Email, Reminders, PDF viewer = Preview, movie editor = iMovie, Journal, Password Manager = Keychain, Maps app ( yes you can download parts of map to use offline), Garage band where you can connect your midi devices and record them.

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• CovfefeKills@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It really is not appealing a mac air with 16gb RAM was $999 AUD and the NEO is $899 AUD. It’s a step backwards…

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• phar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is attractive to me simply because finding a quality 13" laptop is very difficult. 15.6" is huge.

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• bitwolf@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just make some decent SD Elite laptops, I’ve been waiting…

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• megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honestly, I’m just surprised this is the first time someone has dared to put a phone SOC in a laptop chassis.

  It seemed kind of obvious to me that a laptop experience on phone hardware (but like… with a bigger screen, keyboard and mouse/trackpad) was sort of perfect for most use cases. I just assumed that it would come in the form of a phone docked in to a hollowed out laptop. The core issue was just that the software was awful with such a set up. Apple just kind of bypassed that by having their whole OS and everything on it switch over to ARM and just running a non-mobile OS.

  It seemed like Google is kind of edging that way by merging chrome OS in to android. And windows was maybe flailing that direction with windows on arm… but… I think that was mostly just them trying to copy Apple without really thinking to hard about it.

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• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That price still sounds like a ripoff for what you apparently get. Such is Apple.

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The industry problem is mainly that RAM makers do not want to piss off Apple, who has already had long term contracts set prior to rampocalypse. But 8gb linux native is a better product for systems that need to be offered at 8gb for affordability.

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• scala@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But can the MacBook neo have Linux installed

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