It's real. Twitter Shadowbanning is back.

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Jat620DH27@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2023/freedom-of-speech-not-reach-an-update-on-our-enforcement-philosophy

“Freedom of Speech, not Freedom of Reach - our enforcement philosophy which means, where appropriate, restricting the reach of Tweets that violate our policies by making the content less discoverable.”

Surprise! Our great ‘X’ CEO has brought back one more bad thing that we hated about twitter 1.0: Shadowbanning. And they’ve given it a new name: “Freedom of Speech, Not Reach”.

Perhaps the new approach by X is an improvement? At least they would “politely” tell you when you’re being shadow banned.

I think freedom of speech implies that people have the autonomy to decide what they want to see, rather than being manipulated by algorithm codes. Now it feels like they’re saying, “you can still have your microphone… We’re just gonna cut the power to it if you say something we don’t like”.

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Jaysyn@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you're still on Twitter, you're part of the problem.

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- TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  People keep repeating this for easy self-righteousness. Again, what about small artists whose careers depend on their social media following?
  
  Fuck Musk, but for better or worse this isn’t just about him.
  
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Artists whose whole career depends on the whims of social media giants have dug their own hole.
    
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  - Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m not an artist but I know a lot of them and basically only use twitter to follow them. And honestly, the ball is in their court. I see a lot of them complaining about shadowbans and it being impossible to grow a following. But nobody wants to jump ship to a place without an audience.
    
    The problem being there will be no audience sitting around a new platform waiting for a show to start. They need to start double posting, IMO. Being the change they want in the world. They don’t have to quit twitter, but posting content to twitter and mastodon (for example) would give their audience a reason to move, would give them a chance to grow, etc.
    
    There’s even apps like PostyBirb that can do the multiposting for you.
    
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  - mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    Again, what about small artists whose careers depend on their social media following?
    
    hope the artists like playing the Nazi bar, because that’s twitter now.
    
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- Razzazzika@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I apply to a lot of online contests and most have me ‘retweet’ the contest submission link or follow people on the platform. That is literally all I use it for.
  
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  - RunningInRVA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Ever win anything?
    
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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
So originally, it was that he was a “free speech absolutist,” then it was that he was in favor of free speech “within the bounds of the law,” and now he’s not even in favor of that.

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- anlumo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  He never was, that was just an excuse to amplify the voice of his far-right buddies.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I know. It was more about what he said.
    
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  - Stern@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Freedom of (my) speech.
    
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  - Steeve@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I don’t believe this because it gives Elon Musk too much credit and honestly I think he’s just a big loser who will latch on to whoever likes him at the time.
    
    A series of stupid events led to Twitter being full of stupid far right nutjobs and stupid Elon decided they’re his people now because they use his stupid platform.
    
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- psycho_driver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  By free speech absolutist he really meant he thinks fascists should be able to say whatever they want.
  
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  - billiam0202@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    By free speech absolutist he really meant he thinks fascists should be able to force you to listen to them say whatever they want.
    
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  - JasSmith@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    "Down with fascism! No more free political speech!"
    
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- woshang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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  - pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This is blatant advertisement. Doesn’t it violate the instance rules?
    
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  - Jat620DH27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    “No one can act as a moderator to remove my content” This claim does align with with the principle of freedom of speech, but we have to admit that for now, complete freedom without any control can be unsafe. It could potentially lead to spams and political issues. However, the feature of not asking for phone numbers or email addresses sounds interesting, especially considering Elon is planning to introduce government ID verification.
    
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  - Sed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Thx
    
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- pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Freedom for me but not for thee
  
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- MyFairJulia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I mean freedom of speech, not reach describes one boundary of the law in that nobody is required to give you a platform as far as i know.
  
  However it does absolutely not fit to the free speech absolutism purported last year.
  
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- iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You gotta be really stupid to believe people like him. They are all the same. It’s like a mental sickness. You can feel it even just hearing him talk on TV.
  
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- Jat620DH27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I guess it’s all about his political ambition.
  
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Ekybio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Raise your hand if you are convinced this will not impact the people who pay for the blue checkmark. Meaning that a lot of Elon Fanbois / Bots / Fascists will be seen with theit shitty takes (since the checkmark pushes your comments up), while voices of reason will be dragged down further.

Twitter is rapidly becomming the new Truth Social and it’s sad to watch.

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- TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Well that was the whole point. His old friend Peter Thiel and others failed to set up a competing service against Twitter, so now they’re undermining Twitter. Either Twitter steps into line and becomes what they want it to be, or it dies due to the $13bn debt/tax avoidance scam that Musk performed.
  
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  - GigglyBobble@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    $13bn debt/tax avoidance scam that Musk performed
    
    Since I don't follow Musk, please elaborate. I hope, you don't mean his buying an unprofitable company for $40B was to avoid taxes...
    
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- Heastes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That was always the point of the blue check under Elon. It’s very clear already that blue checks have vastly higher reach and engagement. This all started back in December.
  
  theverge.com/…/twitter-blue-paying-priority-repli…
  
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  - assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It ruined so much of the appeal. Previously when someone was being a fucking idiot you could see them getting absolutely dragged in the comments, and it was cathartic. Now it’s just blue check sycophants going “omg based”.
    
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- IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Checkmorons are already signal boosted, since their replies will always be on the top.
  
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alienanimals@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Literally every single day we have idiots doing Musk’s PR work for free.

Downvote Musk spam. The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring his businesses stay in the 24 hour news cycle.

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- Squander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This community has a weird fetish for anything elon musk. If he scratches his butt, this community will post and comment about how much fingernail he used. And you are correct, everyone claiming to hate twitter/musk do a great job of keeping his company and name recognition relevant.
  
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cabron_offsets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Can we stop posting musk shit? It’s exhausting.

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- TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Have you considered joining “Enough Musk Spam”, another such community devoted entirely to posting about the thing they dont like seeing posts about?
  
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  - cabron_offsets@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Lol. I blocked that shit.
    
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  - FellowEarthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You understand that the point of these subs is the exact opposite of that?
    
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- TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It’s doubly exhausting for the hundreds of millions of people who are still there and are affected by this.
  
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Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Like it or not (I don’t), free speech has nothing to do with social media. Platforms are free to do this, it’s the government that can’t limit your speech like this.

Given those circumstances, I wonder if social media should be treated like infrastructure. That would fuse constitutional rights and the platform itself.

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- WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  it’s the government that can’t limit your speech like this
  
  Not all countries are free speech absolutists. If you unironically say “Heil Hitler” in modern-day Germany, that’s prison time for you. And rightfully so. Hate speech in public should not be allowed.
  
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Not even the US is a “freeze peach absolutist”. That’s a dog whistle term for people who want to do hate crimes without fear of reprisal
    
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  - Chariotwheel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Or you just get beat up, and nobody on the street has seen anything: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/drunken-american-beaten-up-for-giving-nazi-salute-in-germany
    
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- flipht@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  While you're right, I think the issue here is the hypocrisy of Musk claiming to be pro free speech (specifically on his platform) only to then repeatedly limit speech he doesn't personally like.
  
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I feel pretty numb to right wing hypocrisy at this point. Which is probably their exact playbook.
    
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- TheEntity@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Indeed. Personally my problem isn't with them limiting the "freedom of speech". It's with them claiming they have it or that it's even relevant there, as you've said.
  
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Same page club. I think centralized social media is going to die sooner or later anyway*, so I’m thinking it’s only a problem in the short term.
    
    *Making money from social media just sounds like some weird shit in a history book to me, like merkins. We’ll see I guess.
    
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- sugarfree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Free speech has nothing to do with social media or governments. Freedom of speech is a universal, natural right that has been with our species since we gained the power of speech through evolution.
  
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  - ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    yeah not sure about that. Most of human history would say freedom of speech (and most of the concept of natural rights) is a rather newish ideology. In the past, speaking negatively of higher powers (religious organizations, ruling class, etc) could lead to sanctions, imprisonment, or death and that is still very much the case in many countries to this day. We can argue _____ is a "natural right" till you have arthritis in your hand joints but you have to be blind to think governments have nothing to do with it and its enforcement. In a utopia, maybe it is granted naturally on birth but in reality it is a "right" that has to be "fought" for (legally or with arms). Like are you seriously arguing the people of North Kor... Sorry, I mean the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are born with this "natural right" of free speech but if they dare use it they and possibly their immediate family may be subject to torture, rape, reeducation camps, and/or work camps.
    
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  - ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Well that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
    
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Universal? So I can go to all of your neighbors and tell them you’re a pedophile and that’s ok?
    
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  - assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Sounds like it doesn’t matter what Twitter does then. Human history spans several thousand years, possibly ten thousand. If freedom of speech has been there throughout, then Twitter is completely inconsequential, considering free speech was doing fine literally thousands of years before it.
    
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You’re generally right and I have nothing to take away from that. Right now I’m talking specifically about the “law” of free speech with regard to the US Constitution.
    
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- malcyon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It’s not a law for no reason at all. Free speech is also an ideal, a principle. It can apply, as a moral, to non-legal areas.
  
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xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
So much for that free speech he was talking about.

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- masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  "Free speech absolutist"®©™
  
  (Terms and conditions apply)
  
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thesmokingman@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This is from April. Did something change with it?

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- DetectiveKakuna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is the most important comment on this thread. I wish lemmy forced you to post the date of the article
  
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  - TotalCasual@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I have to strongly agree here. This needs to be a strongly written and enforced rule for social media. Dates and timestamps need to be extremely clear and a requirement for all sorts of news reporting.
    
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- Jat620DH27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The topic is trending on X today so I didn’t noticed the date. But I guess there might have been some updates compared to April?
  
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Lowered_lifted@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Someone predicted that they were going to slowly add back all the stuff they took out and they were right

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- OskarAxolotl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I think most people could have predicted that. Most of the things Musk removed were there for a reason. Mostly of economical or legal nature. You cannot simply remove them if you want Twitter to someday make a profit.
  
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ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
You can say whatever you like… in the privacy of your own cell.

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infyrin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Another obligatory ‘why the fuck are you still on there, go and leave’ comment here.

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dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I mean, it was never about free speech. It was always about crippling a powerful communication tool that had been used to undermine Middle Eastern governments. “Free Speech” was just how Musk was able to curry favor with fascists and grift retards into paying for twitter blue.

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Pratai@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Why are there people still using that garbage? It’s fucking hilarious watching everyone complain about twitter, YouTube, etc and then continue using it.

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GustavoM@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Since when a rule change to (any site whatsoever) related to technology in any way? Yeah, we get it, you HATE “Xtwitter” and want it to burn but please… you are beating a dead horse at this rate. Just let it go.

That, or the mods around here need a reality check and start dropping some chill pills (i.e temp. bans) on users like OP…

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- wmassingham@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It’s not, but the top mod also runs a bot that automatically posts content from various news sites, probably based on keywords. And I’d bet that some of those keywords are Twitter and Facebook.
  
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- BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Breaking News: Elon Musk throws gasoline on dumpster fire
  
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Earthprototype@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I don’t give a fuck about Twitter, stop posting this garbage already!

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TheDramaLlama@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
it’s not a revolution if you don’t wind up where you started

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acutfjg@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Stop calling it X

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- pachrist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  But when you’re looking for a crap company and platform that’s always been bad, but is also, surprisingly, somehow now much worse, X marks the spot.
  
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CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
lol such a Loser shitshow.

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klyde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What are you even quoting bro

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- anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I was onboard until I read your comment. What is he even quoting bro?
  
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masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The only thing absolute about Elmo is being a cuck.

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- ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Elmu!
  
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Grant_M@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
#BoycottMusk

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Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It is a for profit place that has always put reach before speech. For-profit places are not bastions of free speech, they are bastions of making decisions that make them more money.

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Still@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
so this is why those shithole accounts have been showing up on my fore you page.

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