I say that, in order to save the species, ban all social media, everywhere.
Nearly Half of Europeans Want X Banned if it Continues to Break the Law
Submitted 10 hours ago by Beep@lemmus.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://peoplevsbig.tech/press-release-eu-polling/
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Didntdoit71@feddit.online 2 hours ago
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
but lemmy :(
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned. What’s different about X? The fact that Elon Musk runs it and he’s in with a powerful dictator?
At some point you have to admit the CSAM is not the problem, it’s the person running it, whether they have the power to stop you/fight back or not.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
not just banned, but there would be criminal charges brought on the owners.
Musk should be prosecuted for distribution of CSAM.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned.
On what legal grounds would that happen?
fernandofig@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
What’s different about X?
The fact that, since it’s sadly still one of the largest social outlets, there’s a whole economy around it. If Europe banned X tomorrow, a lot of people and companies would take a non-negligible hit to their revenue. We can argue that probably these people are not a majority of the other half of people in Europe that don’t want X gone, but in the end, politicians and lawmakers care about money and (in a very distant second place) what the majority of their constituents say.
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I wonder how feasible it would be if they’d announce a deadline whereby it would be blocked and recommend people and business to move onto a federated alternative.
IratePirate@feddit.org 6 hours ago
If Europe banned X tomorrow, a lot of people and companies would take a non-negligible hit to their revenue.
Care to back up that claim? What exactly is Twitter’s contribution to their bottom line that they cannot live without?
otter@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
They wouldn’t suddenly ban it though.
Any ban would roll in without enough time for people to switch away. Twitter doesn’t do anything special that can’t be replicated elsewhere.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
I don’t like the idea of “banning” users from accessing a website. But I am certainly in favor of banning sovereign companies from doing business with the company that owns a website, and seizing any physical assets that the website company owns within the laws reach.
DandomRude@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Yes, it is unfortunately becoming increasingly clear that even in the EU, billionaires and their companies are above the law. The legal situation should be clear here and there should be consequences - but there apparently aren’t any.
Unfortunately, this applies not only to Twitter, but to most US tech giants in particular, to meta, for example. I have already stopped counting the massive violations of the GDPR that meta and others are constantly committing, because nothing happens anyway. If anything, the fines are so low that violating the law brings these companies far more revenue than it costs them.
So unfortunately, the same major issue that brought the US to the brink of a straight up dictatorship also applies in Europe: even the most blatant violations of the law have no serious consequences for the richest of the rich – and that is why billionaires are becoming more and more powerful.
The situation may be better in the EU for now than in the US, whose legal system obviously no longer even maintains the appearance of fairness, but even in the EU, the enforcement of the law is miles away from anything that could even remotely be called justice.
The reason seems to me to be the same as in the US: concentration of power in a tiny billionaire class that asserts its influence through corruption.
I think that if things continue like this, and I see no indicators that they will not, it will not be long before even the appearance of justice is abandoned in the EU as well.
modus@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
People know you can just not use it, right?
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
This is exactly why I’m against any regulation of any kind. Its up to the consumer to make those choices. Say if a baby food company put deadly amounts of arsenic in their food. That’s those dead babies fault for not exercising their power as consumers. A bank steals all the money the customers put in? Shouldn’t have picked that bank, tough luck. Buy life saving medicine from a pharmaceutical company and they send you sugar pills? Your fault.
Companies don’t commit crimes and are never liable for them. Its on the people who choose to use them. Couldn’t agree with you more. Well said.
iglou@programming.dev 4 hours ago
It’s not just about not using it, it’s about punishing a company breaking the law, profiting from it, and feeding an authoritarian regime.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
Sure, but I don’t really want to share a reality with people who do.
It’s making them not right.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
I would like to know the percentage between if they break the law and regardless if they break the law
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Weird to be that low for “continues to break the law.”
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
They’ll immediately ban “from the river to the sea” and prosecute everyone who says/displays it. but a multinational corporation is just allowed to break the law and maybe the politicians will at some point allowed them to face the law.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Uh. You do understand that this law breaking includes not cracking down hard enough on illegal content? Like that Hamas slogan?
gressen@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
How about we just fine them to oblivion and make the people responsible answer for their crimes?
snooggums@piefed.world 8 hours ago
How about we start throwing executives into jail starting with the top and working the way down?
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
How do you enforce the fines? Wouldn’t you have to invade the USA to enforce any meaningful fines.
greybeard@feddit.online 8 hours ago
Elon Musk does a lot of business in Europe. You seize his assets in Europe to enforce the fines.
rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Pay up or you’re banned
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
I’d rather not see a great firewall of Europe.
I’d be happy to see them banned from doing business here though. Hit them where it hurts, their money.
Scrollone@feddit.it 9 hours ago
Yes, I wish they would ban Tesla cars in Europe. That would be amazing.
YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
There are an outrageous amount of Tesla vehicles in Lisbon. But there are some beautiful Chinese brands that are now undercutting them. With I think Forthing as a direct competitor.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 9 hours ago
Nearly half? Sheesh.
Maybe it’s because most Europeans don’t have a strong opinion about X. I really don’t think it’s quite as popular here as in the USA. Which is also the reason many don’t know how unhinged the current admin is.
Kirp123@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
A lot of politicians and governments still use it as an official platform. I wish they would stop doing that and giving it any sort of legitimacy.
biofaust@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
And there is our main argument against the ChatControl.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
What is?
Decq@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
And yet most politicians here still use it. Any that’s still using it I consider a child rapist and fascist/nazi enabler. Sadly that leaves very few left to vote for.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
It should’ve been banned long ago. It’s insanity that, it is not banned yet. There’s so much illegal content through Grok and so many hatred on X.
Mihies@programming.dev 10 hours ago
I’m sure they expressed this on X.
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
How about just banning it for the good of humanity?
Kirp123@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I want them banned even if they aren’t. Twitter is a shithole and has only made things worse since Elon has taken over. If people aren’t gonna move off it because it’s a Nazi shithole then force them to move off.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 8 hours ago
Nearly half is less than 50% democracy therefore says it stays. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
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