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Nearly Half of Europeans Want X Banned if it Continues to Break the Law

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Beep@lemmus.org⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://peoplevsbig.tech/press-release-eu-polling/

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  • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned. What’s different about X? The fact that Elon Musk runs it and he’s in with a powerful dictator?

    At some point you have to admit the CSAM is not the problem, it’s the person running it, whether they have the power to stop you/fight back or not.

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    • fernandofig@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s different about X?

      The fact that, since it’s sadly still one of the largest social outlets, there’s a whole economy around it. If Europe banned X tomorrow, a lot of people and companies would take a non-negligible hit to their revenue. We can argue that probably these people are not a majority of the other half of people in Europe that don’t want X gone, but in the end, politicians and lawmakers care about money and (in a very distant second place) what the majority of their constituents say.

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      • pycorax@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I wonder how feasible it would be if they’d announce a deadline whereby it would be blocked and recommend people and business to move onto a federated alternative.

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      • IratePirate@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If Europe banned X tomorrow, a lot of people and companies would take a non-negligible hit to their revenue.

        Care to back up that claim? What exactly is Twitter’s contribution to their bottom line that they cannot live without?

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      • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They wouldn’t suddenly ban it though.

        Any ban would roll in without enough time for people to switch away. Twitter doesn’t do anything special that can’t be replicated elsewhere.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      not just banned, but there would be criminal charges brought on the owners.

      Musk should be prosecuted for distribution of CSAM.

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      • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Absolutely. And soliciting Epstein for sex with minors. Let’s not forget about that. He was begging to get on the island and get some underage tail. It was pretty pathetic.

        He should be held liable, but he won’t be. Not by people who do the same thing.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think if any other (smaller) site were continually posting CSAM without moderation, it would be banned.

      On what legal grounds would that happen?

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      • bold_atlas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Confiscate every server uses as evidence.

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      • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve read (on sites like Ars Technica that cover technology) about dark web sites trading CSAM being shut down. By the FBI in America, by Interpol in the EU… I don’t know what legal grounds they use to do it.

        You don’t think CSAM should be illegal? Or you genuinely don’t understand why it is, or what law it breaks?

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      • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        depends on the country, but the same framework as an individual spreading CSAM.

        Musk should be treated like the pedo he is.

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  • DandomRude@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, it is unfortunately becoming increasingly clear that even in the EU, billionaires and their companies are above the law. The legal situation should be clear here and there should be consequences - but there apparently aren’t any.

    Unfortunately, this applies not only to Twitter, but to most US tech giants in particular, to meta, for example. I have already stopped counting the massive violations of the GDPR that meta and others are constantly committing, because nothing happens anyway. If anything, the fines are so low that violating the law brings these companies far more revenue than it costs them.

    So unfortunately, the same major issue that brought the US to the brink of a straight up dictatorship also applies in Europe: even the most blatant violations of the law have no serious consequences for the richest of the rich – and that is why billionaires are becoming more and more powerful.

    The situation may be better in the EU for now than in the US, whose legal system obviously no longer even maintains the appearance of fairness, but even in the EU, the enforcement of the law is miles away from anything that could even remotely be called justice.

    The reason seems to me to be the same as in the US: concentration of power in a tiny billionaire class that asserts its influence through corruption.

    I think that if things continue like this, and I see no indicators that they will not, it will not be long before even the appearance of justice is abandoned in the EU as well.

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  • gressen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How about we just fine them to oblivion and make the people responsible answer for their crimes?

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How about we start throwing executives into jail starting with the top and working the way down?

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    • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How do you enforce the fines? Wouldn’t you have to invade the USA to enforce any meaningful fines.

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      • greybeard@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Elon Musk does a lot of business in Europe. You seize his assets in Europe to enforce the fines.

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      • rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pay up or you’re banned

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  • MrSulu@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    100% of this European want X banned without further ado.

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    • FreddiesLantern@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yesterdaythe moment the sink carrying cancer walked in.

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  • projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I want it banned regardless :D

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d rather not see a great firewall of Europe.

    I’d be happy to see them banned from doing business here though. Hit them where it hurts, their money.

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    • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, I wish they would ban Tesla cars in Europe. That would be amazing.

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      • YaksDC@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are an outrageous amount of Tesla vehicles in Lisbon. But there are some beautiful Chinese brands that are now undercutting them. With I think Forthing as a direct competitor.

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  • Prikkeres@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And ban Facebook too. It’s been breaking the law a lot longer!

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    • Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So you suggest that people should see others in real life? Out and about? What are you, a savage?

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    • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just imagine how funny it would be if people would just ditch all that shit.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Weird to be that low for “continues to break the law.”

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’ll immediately ban “from the river to the sea” and prosecute everyone who says/displays it. but a multinational corporation is just allowed to break the law and maybe the politicians will at some point allowed them to face the law.

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      • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Uh. You do understand that this law breaking includes not cracking down hard enough on illegal content? Like that Hamas slogan?

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  • Didntdoit71@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I say that, in order to save the species, ban all social media, everywhere.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      but lemmy :(

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    • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You might not realize it, but the Fediverse is social media so a ban would be rather detrimental to this place.

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      • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Damn near the entire internet is “social media” but people usually mean “social networking sites”.

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    • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s literally not possible.

      I’m not talking about from a practical standpoint I’m talking about from a theoretical standpoint.

      Given that social media being a form of media where humans socialize with each other is not something that can be banned because humans are intrinsically social creatures and modern technology facilities media based communication.

      What we don’t need is social media banned. We need regulation and enforcement and teeth for those regulations.

      Almost all of the bad and negative parts of social media are results of companies driving profits and engagement at the cost of everything else, including the well-being of their users (Such as artificially, inflating, negativity and division because that drives more engagement).

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      • Typotyper@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Make the platform liable for the hate posted on them. They have algorithms manipulating what we see, those same algorithms send those messages to us for profit.

        Hence the justification form holding them liable for content. Civil suits will destroy them in no time.

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  • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t like the idea of “banning” users from accessing a website. But I am certainly in favor of banning sovereign companies from doing business with the company that owns a website, and seizing any physical assets that the website company owns within the laws reach.

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i want it banned even if it doesnt

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  • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Image

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    • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lmao, if only

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      • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If we obstinatly refuse to call it anything else, then it as twitter shall forever remain

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  • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would like to know the percentage between if they break the law and regardless if they break the law

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  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    More than half are ok with any company breaking the law?

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    • nao@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      According to a new YouGov survey, a vast majority of respondents in Germany, France, Spain, Italy and Poland (60-78%) think that the EU should take further action against X if it does not address breaches to European law brought forward by the Commission last year [1]. The majority of those (62%-73%) who wanted further action – and 47% of total participants – want X to be banned from the EU if it refuses to address these breaches [2]

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      • Ziglin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        20% being fine with it is still worrying to me.

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I imagine some of them are okay with fines, or strongly worded letters.

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  • modus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People know you can just not use it, right?

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    • Sharkticon@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is exactly why I’m against any regulation of any kind. Its up to the consumer to make those choices. Say if a baby food company put deadly amounts of arsenic in their food. That’s those dead babies fault for not exercising their power as consumers. A bank steals all the money the customers put in? Shouldn’t have picked that bank, tough luck. Buy life saving medicine from a pharmaceutical company and they send you sugar pills? Your fault.

      Companies don’t commit crimes and are never liable for them. Its on the people who choose to use them. Couldn’t agree with you more. Well said.

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      • Oodlenoodlenoo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ve been online to much today I took your comment at face value at first 😅

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    • iglou@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not just about not using it, it’s about punishing a company breaking the law, profiting from it, and feeding an authoritarian regime.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, but I don’t really want to share a reality with people who do.

      It’s making them not right.

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    • sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not really if everyone else uses it and you need information from them

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  • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I want it banned here too.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    banning this website would be super good for Blue sky and mastodon

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    • sveltecider@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lol people will go to meta threads first, not that.

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      • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        One step at a time…

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    • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And why would not these be also banned shortly thereafter?

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      • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        to be clear, I do not advocate the banning of any social media website for any reason

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  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nearly half? Sheesh.

    Maybe it’s because most Europeans don’t have a strong opinion about X. I really don’t think it’s quite as popular here as in the USA. Which is also the reason many don’t know how unhinged the current admin is.

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    • Kirp123@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A lot of politicians and governments still use it as an official platform. I wish they would stop doing that and giving it any sort of legitimacy.

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    • Patrikvo@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      To be fair, the only time I used Twitter was in a data science course that required to capture some data from the “firehose” (unsorted and unfiltered realtime stream of tweets). Other than that I never cared for it. Wouldn’t affect me at all if they ban it, so it’s easy to be in favor of such a ban.

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  • lithiumground@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think all USA/Israel social media application must be banned.

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    • GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What is a Israel sozial media application?

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      • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        American ones it seems like. American politicians sure love Israel for some reason.

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      • lithiumground@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All USA social media indirectly product of Israel .

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        TikTok now that Ellison owns it.

        Facebook is also joined at the hip with the Zionists.

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  • arch@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ditch it.It will have 0 to none effect of EU. And Mr.NaciSalute won’t get broke.Mastodon is the way.

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    • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think you are mistaken. It will have a huge positive impact on the EU.

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  • roserose56@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ban it, do it, we are not gonna cry!

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, the other half of the people who don’t want it banned have all the political capital.

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  • Mwa@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i wish this was worldwide

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  • SethTaylor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If X fails to respond to the Commission’s fine, 70% of respondents were supportive of repercussions [3]. Among those, between 17-28% think that further fines should be given to X, between 23-29% believe X should be banned, and the largest segment - between 40-52% of those in favour of repercussions - believe that the Commission should fine and ban the social media service entirely from the EU [4].

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  • PointyFluff@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Certainly not Lemmy Users. Lemmy users love that nazi shit with how much they repost it here.

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  • Decq@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And yet most politicians here still use it. Any that’s still using it I consider a child rapist and fascist/nazi enabler. Sadly that leaves very few left to vote for.

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  • ieGod@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Those are rookie numbers.

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  • Nomorereddit@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t count uk as Europe plz, they ban everything. They’ll ban your momma for saying god bless you.

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And there is our main argument against the ChatControl.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What is?

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      • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ChatControl is pushed with the excuse of CSAM. If that was a true concern of the proponents, we would have a push towards stronger and faster enforcement of the DMA and in particular of X. Instead, nothing.

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  • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It should’ve been banned long ago. It’s insanity that, it is not banned yet. There’s so much illegal content through Grok and so many hatred on X.

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  • Mihies@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m sure they expressed this on X.

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