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Rent is theft

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨zedgeist@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨aboringdystopia@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Sirdubdee@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    My hot take, you shouldn’t be allowed to rent out single family homes under 2k sqft. Larger homes and multi family buildings are fair game for real estate investors. Lots of holes in my opinion. Maybe it would incentivize building more apartments. Are homes under 2k sqft being built anymore?

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  • jwiggler@sh.itjust.works ⁨47⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I do not believe that which was created through collective labor should be able to be enclosed, so that the encloser can extort others for access.

    The house was not built by its owner. It was erected, decorated, and furnished by innumerable workers–in the timber yard, the brick field, and the workshop, toiling for dear life at a minimum wage.

    The money spent by the owner was not the product of his own toil. It was amassed, like all other riches, by paying the workers two-thirds or only a half of what was their due.

    Moreover–and it is here that the enormity of the whole proceeding becomes most glaring–the house owes its actual value to the profit which the owner can make out of it. Now, this profit results from the fact that his house is built in a town possessing bridges, quays, and fine public buildings, and affording to its inhabitants a thousand comforts and conveniences unknown in villages; a town well paved, lighted with gas, in regular communication with other towns, and itself a centre of industry, commerce, science, and art; a town which the work of twenty or thirty generations has gone to render habitable, healthy, and beautiful.

    A house in certain parts of Paris may be valued at thousands of pounds sterling, not because thousands of pounds’ worth of labour have been expended on that particular house, but because it is in Paris; because for centuries workmen, artists, thinkers, and men of learning and letters have contributed to make Paris what it is to-day–a centre of industry, commerce, politics, art, and science; because Paris has a past; because, thanks to literature, the names of its streets are household words in foreign countries as well as at home; because it is the fruit of eighteen centuries of toil, the work of fifty generations of the whole French nation.

    Who, then, can appropriate to himself the tiniest plot of ground, or the meanest building, without committing a flagrant injustice? Who, then, has the right to sell to any bidder the smallest portion of the common heritage?

    Kropotkin

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  • cikano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I’m surprised so many people are running defence for landlords in the comments

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    • titanicx@lemmy.zip ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Hey I’m not really worried, my landlord is actually really cool. The place I live in is actually better than the place he lives in. My rent is well well below market rate for what I should be paying. I lived in the same place for the past 11 years and he’s only raised my rent twice for less than $200 total. Not all landlords are bad, not all of them are in it just to get rich. And not all of us would be able to buy a house regardless of paying rent or not. And I’d much rather pay rent to somebody for a nice place to live then be living in a tent by the river.

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    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I’m not lol. .world is basically Reddit 2.0, warts and capitalists included 😆

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      • BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        You Tankies live outside of reality.

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  • Virtvirt588@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    These days it is hard to own a house, its like the system is designed to cater to the burguoise - because it is. Regular people cant have their own personal ownership because capitalist leeches known as landlords exist.

    The system feeds on the profiting of others misfortunes.

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    • xtr0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m very lucky to have my own house. The number of spam calls I get from randos trying to buy houses is staggering. Some are obviously from call centers. I don’t understand how it makes financial sense to pay people to cold call every fucking homeowner in the US constantly in the hopes that they catch someone looking to sell quickly (and cheaply?). WTF is their endgame?

      I kinda want to get everyone on board with refusing to sell single family houses to anyone who isn’t going to live there as their primary residence. Back in the not so old days, people would refuse to sell to “undesirables” because they didn’t want to tank property values, which would also carry significant reputational harm. We need to use that energy for good.

      In theory, developers who would replace single family houses with multiple houses, townhomes or condos would be OK. We do need more housing in general. Although, IDK if real estate developers are a trustworthy bunch.

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  • BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    What if the rent is fair and the property owner is not a profiteering corporation? What if I just moved to a bigger house and want to rent the old one to someone who doesn’t want to own one?

    Am I stealing from someone?

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    • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨51⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Most of the people that I have rented from have been pretty kind, decent folks. I lived in one apartment building, that definitely sucked, and one 3 level that was section 8 besides us, and that landlord was on the scummy side, but didn’t argue about fixing things. Other than that, just people renting their first house that was too small after a point and they bought another. And I bought my house from the last one 40k under market because we were good tenants and had become friends.

      Are the people that sold me their extra house 40k off evil?

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      • BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Exactly. You rent a house? You are the equivalent of Jeff Bezos!

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    • DirtSona@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      What is a fair rent?

      Why do you even use the word fair in an economic context?

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      • BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        A price that isn’t gouged?

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  • PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    This is exactly why I own. Yeah it sucks dealing with maintenance and HOA bullshit, but, no. I won’t enrich some piece of shit for no gain.

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    • Gerblat@lemmy.world ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      My God, it’s so simple. Just buy a house!

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    • Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      What I don’t like is I worked 3 jobs during school, never went on trip and lived very frugal. I was able to save up and buy a property. I played my cards right and also got some level of luck and was able to leverage the first house to buy a rental property. I do my hardest to treat tenant with fair rent and safe place to live.

      Yet on paper, I am a “landlord” and demonized because of some bad apples. I hate it because I worked hard to get were I am and now I’m a problem and don’t want to just hand out my hard work.

      I think there needs to be an asterisk on these things because I agree there is generational wealth and billionaires are a problem but damn if I had bought a couple of franchises instead and did well that way maybe I wouldn’t be as hated.

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      • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Look man you sound like a decent person, but it’s not really the point. The system, laws, the entire concept that enable owning property and renting it out are barbaric, even if some landlords do their best to be fair and kind. Some slave owners treated their slaves well too.

        In my mind, I’d demonise you just as much if you owned businesses instead, for profiting from the labour which others did, and not you, if it’s any solace. But I don’t really believe demonising normal people is really the point either. We’ve all got to live our lives and look after our families and so on. I don’t think anyone can legitimately fault you for that, it’s normal behaviour. But we should really structure things so that it’s simply neither necessary nor allowed for people to do either of these things, and anything less is fundamentally unjust.

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  • 5715@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A liberal’s conclusion would be: No rent without representation.

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    • zedgeist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Coop housing! It works.

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      • zewm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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        I can’t stand other people, let alone have to share my home with one. Hard pass on coop.

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      • thenextguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Coop housing is for chickens.

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      • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        How strongly would you believe that if all your housemates were MAGA, AI Startup CEO, and an ICE member?

        If you say they wouldn’t be, then you’ve identified the limitation of the proposed solution.

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  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    But money earned in labor can be converted into property, you see.

    You can’t decide that YOUR labor money is more valuable than MY labor money. Maybe you spent your labor money on prostitutes. Maybe you spent your labor money donating to churches.

    It doesn’t matter. I spent MY labor money on property.

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