Submitted 2 weeks ago by zedgeist@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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But money earned in labor can be converted into property, you see.
You can’t decide that YOUR labor money is more valuable than MY labor money. Maybe you spent your labor money on prostitutes. Maybe you spent your labor money donating to churches.
It doesn’t matter. I spent MY labor money on property.
See you are purposely ignoring the various entry barriers to property ownership.
Instead you think people don’t own property cause they spend their money wrong, for example in prostitutes?
Get out of you echo chamber, I get is cosy and safe there but come on…
You are totally right. I was going to buy several properties, but I chose prostitutes instead.
My bad.
Fun fact: no landlords, no trump.
That’s the most brainrot thing I’ve read this week.
My hot take, you shouldn’t be allowed to rent out single family homes under 2k sqft. Larger homes and multi family buildings are fair game for real estate investors. Lots of holes in my opinion. Maybe it would incentivize building more apartments. Are homes under 2k sqft being built anymore?
my hot take is that no one should own more than one house
This would incentivize only building houses that are 2,001 ft² or larger, so they can rent them.
There should always be a rental market of all sizes.
I was thinking you should be capped at the number of residential properties you own regardless of size.
Maybe increase property tax rate of subsequent properties by a multiplier?
Second property, additional 10%, third property 15%, and so on. Maybe 10, than 20, then 30, etc… Whatever drives down ownership and home costs.
I mean arguments like this are tricky, cause on one hand, buying property to rent out is one of the ways out of wage slavery, but on the other hand housing is (should be) a human right, so where do we draw the line?
I’d love a beach condo to use 2-4 weeks out of the year and rent out the rest of the time, but wouldn’t I just be inflating property value artificially, keeping locals frozen out of the market?
I also don’t really think the answer is all property being state-owned, but what do I know
cause on one hand, buying property to rent out is one of the ways out of wage slavery
This is not complete thinking. It’s not a way out of wage slavery when you’re just pushing the can down the road and making the condition of someone else’s wage slavery worse. You have to realize that your condition as a worker and a potential tenant’s condition is one and the same, and the way to abolish that condition is to unite as a class to seize and exert political power.
I also don’t really think the answer is all property being state-owned, but what do I know
It really doesn’t have to be. There’s already countries where they have a 95% homeownership rate and that’s been achieved by heavy regulation of housing and real estate speculation, and expropriation programs (also a lot of liquidation of the landlord class).
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Think there’s also difference between someone renting their mass bought properties vs someone renting their extra flat for a fair price. Corporations renting properties they mass bought should be illegal.
What’s “a fair price”? 1% over production + maintenance costs is already exploitative, in the sense that rich people who can afford to buy the flats will do so because they will get passive income from it, and poor people who can’t afford housing will be forced to rent at prices higher than otherwise.
Imo students and just people who don’t want to buy. One small flat I saw is like 6k czk a month. But ideally there should be free such flats that are just room and bathroom with showers free to anyone.
If the housing market gets so unprofitable that people aren’t building enough apartments, even though enough land is zoned for building, prices are too low.
That just leads to homelessness.
mason@partychickens.net 2 weeks ago
@zedgeist How about rent of things, as opposed to rent of living space? I'm specifically thinking of the hardware I'm renting for this Fediverse server. A network connection, power, and cooling come with it. In my view this is more acceptable than having to rent a house or car. (Related topic: is having a car moral? Related to that: Is there a moral argument to be made for our against living away from a population center? And related to that: why the Hell do people refuse to wear masks during a pandemic?)
Is my renting that hardware more paying for a service than straight rent? There's certainly the aspect of my not being able to afford the hardware cost up-front and just renting space, network, and power.
Ideally I'd just run the server in my cellar, but I live in the woods and trees fall on the power lines all too often. (Loop to the question of the morality of living away from population centers.)
MrMetaKopos@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Rental of land is unique because land ownership is made by drwing line on a map and drawing up a contract with the state. Equipment rental is the product of labor that has transformed natural resources into something people can use.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Land ownership is fundamentally a violent act in that paper agreements are a surrogate for establishing territorial dominance. End of the day land ownership is enforced though force.
Renting objects on the other hand is rooted in mutual benefit. Tool creation and use being separate skills creates a natural opportunity for cooperation.