This New Android Smartphone Is For Everyone Who Misses the Blackberry

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• helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  this device is designed to be your secondary smartphone

  In this economy?

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  • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    lol imagine having two phones, takes years to save up just to buy one!

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Have you tried being rich? I highly recommend it.

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    • PeroBasta@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In 2017 I bought a refurbished lenovo p2 for 300 that lasted me until 2024. Out of boredom, non because i needed it to change, i bought a refurbished s20 ultra for 350, still my daily driver.

      No one is forcing anyone to buy a top gamma phone every year for 1400€

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  • sunbeam60@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Work often issues work phones. They’re likely to be quite swayed by something focused on communication.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s their marketing pitch but it has every feature you’d need to make it your only phone, which is my plan.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s such a weird marketing pitch though…

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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The Spacebar has a built-in fingerprint sensor, which could be handy for unlocking the phone quickly. The keypad is touch-sensitive, which means that you can slide your fingers over it to scroll through messages. And before you ask, yes, it also has a 4.03-inch OLED touchscreen display for those of us who like scrolling on a smoother surface.

  Some of you may also be pleased to know that the Clicks Communicator has a 3.5mm headphone jack and that it supports microSD cards for storage expansion. It ships with 256GB storage and you can add a microSD card with up to 2TB of capacity.

  The device runs Android 16, supports Qi2 wireless charging, has a USB-C port, and has a 50-MP rear camera with optical image stabilization, alongside a 24-MP front camera. It’s powered by a 4nm MediaTek chip that has 5G support. It’s a dual-SIM phone with one physical SIM slot and an eSIM

  It also has NFC for mobile payment support. I’m not seeing many compromises here except perhaps the camera and processor. I’m gonna use this as my next phone.

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  • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe they should reach out to the GrapheneOS team and see if there could be a partnership of some type there.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately the GrapheneOS team said it doesn’t meet their requirements. Their requirements are suuuuuuper specific which is why it’s only on Pixel devices.

      They have said that the bootloader can be unlocked, so some sort of ROM support is possible.

      GrapheneOS complete requirements:

      • Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality
      • Complete monthly Android Security Bulletin patches without any regular delays longer than a week for device support code (firmware, drivers and HALs)
      • At least 5 years of updates from launch for device support code with phones (Pixels now have 7) and 7 years with tablets
      • Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they’re released)
      • Linux 6.1, 6.6 or 6.12 Generic Kernel Image (GKI) support
      • Hardware accelerated virtualization usable by GrapheneOS (ideally pKVM to match Pixels but another usable implementation may be acceptable)
      • Hardware memory tagging (ARM MTE or equivalent)
      • Hardware-based coarse grained Control Flow Integrity (CFI) for baseline coverage where type-based CFI isn’t used or can’t be deployed (BTI/PAC, CET IBT or equivalent)
      • PXN, SMEP or equivalent
      • PAN, SMAP or equivalent
      • Isolated radios (cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc.), GPU, SSD, media encode / decode, image processor and other components
      • Support for A/B updates of both the firmware and OS images with automatic rollback if the initial boot fails one or more times
      • Verified boot with rollback protection for firmware
      • Verified boot with rollback protection for the OS (Android Verified Boot)
      • Verified boot key fingerprint for yellow boot state displayed with a secure hash (non-truncated SHA-256 or better)
      • StrongBox keystore provided by secure element
      • Hardware key attestation support for the StrongBox keystore
      • Attest key support for hardware key attestation to provide pinning support
      • Weaver disk encryption key derivation throttling provided by secure element
      • Insider attack resistance for updates to the secure element (Owner user authentication required before updates are accepted)
      • Inline disk encryption acceleration with wrapped key support
      • 64-bit-only device support code
      • Wi-Fi anonymity support including MAC address randomization, probe sequence number randomization and no other leaked identifiers
      • Support for disabling USB data and also USB as a whole at a hardware level in the USB controller
      • Reset attack mitigation for firmware-based boot modes such as fastboot mode zeroing memory left over from the OS and delaying opening up attack surface such as USB functionality until that’s completed
      • Debugging features such as JTAG or serial debugging must be inaccessible while the device is locked

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    • Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The hardware security measures graphene wants are very expensive. Plus, GOS wants quick android security patche

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    • weaponG@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even LineageOS would be amazing.

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not seeing many compromises here

    That’s because it’s really small. And has a weird square shape. It’s the display. And the fact that they’ve only committed to 2 years of updates.

    It looks very cool, and it’s cool to see actually interesting phones. But it’s not for me. It’s very strange to me that people would rather a physical keyboard and a tiny display. Guaranteed I can type faster on a virtual keyboard…

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’ve announced 5 years of support.

      And it’s small but not really small. Here is a 3d printed mockup next to a Galaxy S25 Ultra

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      It’s every bit as wide, just shorter.

      But I meant compromises that would make it not usable as a phone.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We’ll have to wait and see what they’re availability is like and if they offer bulk ordering but I’d be very interested to use these as our work phones. Currently we use iPhones and I’ve never been happy with that decision.

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• lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can it run Linux? Because if it runs any fascism-tech from Google it’s a non-starter

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  • Ugurcan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Isn’t Android Linux? That was the trench defended when I last checked a few years ago.

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    • ebolapie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Android uses a modified version of the Linux kernel.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      when people say linux phones, the point is not the kernel but believing it could have the same open ecosystem as the linux PC. no forced lockdown, no spyware, open source and in turn extensible system software, where its not the oligarchs who dictate. other then the first point these can be told about mostly none of the current phones, and even the first point is going away recently, despite that being the only way to get rid of the preinstalled, google mandated (and sometimes additional) malware.

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  • copd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you want to use it as your primary device, you may be locked out of using specific security focused apps such as banking apps.

    Mobile banking is probably the only reason I’m still on Android

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you may be locked out of using specific security focused apps such as banking apps.

      they locked me out already, so it does not matter. they can’t play the same card twice.

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    • Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve yet to try a Linux Touch distro on a phone, but couldn’t you just save a shortcut to the website?

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What are you using right now because every Linux phone I’ve ever seen has been an unfinished working program that isn’t commercially ready.

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• theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I miss Blackberry a lot but this ain’t it.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It literally has every feature of a modern smartphone. And it’s not even that expensive.

    If I had a need for a new phone right now I’d be buying this.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It even has some of the design team from Blackberry

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  • copd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What’s wrong with it?

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Probably a purist complaining it’s not the fabled mythical Linux phone.

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• rozodru@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I had a Blackberry Curve in like 2012 when everyone was using iphone and android and I loved that damn thing. Other than the Nokia Lumia it was the best phone I ever had.

  I would use this.

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  • lasta@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The BlackBerry Curve was great. I kept using mine until support ended for most of the apps I needed on BlackBerry OS :(

    I still keep it as a spare phone and for travel.

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• ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can it do Linux touch and ditch android?

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  • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ditto

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• MalReynolds@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Wake me when there’s a slider.

  Lengthwise, with a smaller screen (actually this is 4", that’s one box ticked, prefer 5" tho), and a bigger battery, and an open OS, and sd card expansion, basically an anti-todays-phone I guess…

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  • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I actually stumbled across my Blackberry Torch in storage and gave a great big sigh. I don’t use my phone as a media consumption device as much as many people. I understand I’m in the minority, but its comms first for me.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It actually does have an SD card slot. And headphone jack.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It has a headphone jack? They must lack courage.

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  • locahosr443@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I had an n900, it was my worst best phone. The software was often arse, the resistive screen was arse, but that keyboard was god tier.

    If someone made a modernised version without a bunch of slop I’d buy 2 today just incase they went out of production.

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• toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Wow, very interesting. But being able to root it is pretty much a must, for me. I wonder if this will give users that freedom.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They have confirmed that you can unlock the bootloader to you’ll be able to root it yes.

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    • toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Very nice!

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  • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Haha haha h haha h haha haha…but also: no. Of course not.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They have confirmed that you can unlock the bootloader, and are claiming 5 years of updates.

      They have shipped hardware before and seem like a somewhat reputable company. They haven’t made a phone before though so we shall see.

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    • toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I suppose we could all band together and send them email after email asking for it... I suppose...

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• Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I saw this kickstarter alternative the other day. IMO if it becomes a reality it would be better simply due to the fact that it fully supports linux instead of android.

  I’m gonna keep an eye on it and see if it ends up becoming reality after the kickstarter.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah that looks mega cool but it’s not a cellular device, so I’d still need a phone. I’m really not interested in carrying more devices.

    I really want a Linux phone but I e played with them and they are just not to the point of being able to use as a sole device yet.

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  • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    18hr of battery with the display off is a killer, and even if you could get an m.2 modem working in it m.2 modems tend to be far less efficient than the ones integrated to cell phone hardware. At least it my experience with Quectel and Sierra m.2 modems is representative of other brands.

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• piyuv@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I might actually use this as my primary phone (I agree with others who say marketing this as a 2nd phone was a mistake) if it gets e/os/ or grapheneos support

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  • whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We need two phones now?!

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Some people do that, most commonly with one being a “work” phone. But I think the idea is insane for the majority of people.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I do have two. One just for at home for all the banking and depot-apps that I would surely not carry around with me outside. And also because exactly those won’t run in an emulator.

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• SeaSgt@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does it track and sell personal data?

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Itself? I wouldn’t think so. But like almost all Android phones it comes with Google services so there’s that. They said the Bootloader will be unlockable to that should be able to be mitigated…

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• pimpampoom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Already preordered mine

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  • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Risky move, but I hope you’ll enjoy it.

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    • pimpampoom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why risky? The company is not new, they’ve been selling cases with keyboard to a few years.

      It’s their first phone indeed but it’s quite cheap so wor ty giving a try imo

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Supposedly they’re offering a refund up until it ships if you want. It’s not a completely brand new company so it doesn’t seem super risky. I do it with a credit card that way you can do a chargeback if things go really bad.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I made a community for it: !clickscommunicator@thelemmy.club

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    • pimpampoom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I joined

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• FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If it had an unlocked bootloader where i could install ubuntu touch i’d buy it. Otherwise naw.

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  • innermachine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you currently daily Ubuntu touch? How is it?

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    • FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s good, no annoying UI gotchas, never had a problem with calling/receiving/texts. Waydroid works great using F-Droid/Aurora store.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The bootloader will be unlockable, what ROMs will be installable is going to depend on the community

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Someone said with the SOC it has third party ROM’s will be questionable. I haven’t taken the time to check that out but it would be great to have one device out there that still be tailored to the individual.

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• Usernameblankface@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve been wishing to use an old feature phone for that one’s advertised purpose. This one is more interesting than refurbishing a hopelessly outdated phone because it’s going to actually work.

  In any work setting where it is common to have a work phone and a personal phone, this would make an ideal work phone

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• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I miss Palm and WebOS.

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• fyrilsol@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This could be my next phone.

  But, but, though. Will the OS be non-proprietary? Will I be able to actually use all the apps I would ideally want? Because, much as I love my Samsung Galaxy, I really do wish I could remove a lot of its bloatware off the phone that I know I won't ever use.

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  • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can, without root even! Take a look at uad-ng (universal android debloater). Comes with a community-curated list which sorts APKs into 5 tiers from “recommended to uninstall” to “yeah don’t, your phone needs this to boot”. Apps disabled through this do not come back after updates.

    Removed 140+ apps from my Xiaomi, 120+ from my GFs Samsung S24, and 90+ from my brothers Motorola Edge something.

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  • Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s always LineageOS for now

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can I close the keyboard with the ‘back’ button?

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• SW42@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So where is the running prototype? Even a shitty one made with an esp32 and a Display so one can get a feel for it. as far as ive seen they only showed non functional mockups…

  Would love for this to be a success but at this time I’m not holding my breath.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’ve shipped hardware before so I don’t think it’s total vaporware. They’ve said the non-functional devices they’ve shown at CES had the seal screen and keyboard hardware so it seems somewhat far along in the manufacturing/design stage. But yeah, everyone would like to see the real deal.

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• aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “There are dozens of us!”

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• PointyFluff@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  AI slop trash article.

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  • vinyl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I too would call anything slop that I don’t like!

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• brianary@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m experimenting with the LILYGO T-Deck+ on MeshCore for messaging and thinking about the Mecha Comet for other stuff. I’m really hoping to leave the corporate stuff behind.

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• potatogamer@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wonder what the profit margins on this will be 🤔

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• Spellbind8558@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have their Clicks Razr keyboard. After typing with a physical keyboard for a few months, tough to go back to typing on glass. The tactile response is much more satisfying

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