Submitted 1 month ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
Workers should learn AI skills and companies should use it because it’s a “cognitive amplifier,” claims Satya Nadella.
in other words please help us, use our AI
CEOs aren’t people. That’s why they lobbied to have companies recognized as people. Stop giving them a stage.
“We have to find a compelling use case so we can keep tragedying the commons!”
What does Capitalism™ say about “innovations” that can’t deliver results? Filtering out crap that only works on some bullshit paper is the one thing capitalism is supposed to be good at.
Capitalism says that the market won’t reward people making those things, and the companies might fail as a result.
But, we’re no longer in a capitalist world. We’re in a corporatist world where it’s closer to technolfeudalism where it doesn’t really matter how bad your idea is, because you aren’t out to make a profit, instead you’re out to extract rent.
It’s getting more and more absurd.
“We can’t think of a good use for this parasite outside of our industry.”
Play with algorithms and datasets if you want, but make it efficient. We don’t need thousands of data centers guzzling water and electricity and disturbing the peace just to generate wrong answers and slop. Work on the algorithms, don’t just scale up the slop.
Microsoft angle is that they can run their AI on your documents and files (it’s all on OneDrive now remember?) and “know” about you and the world as a whole collectively at all times. The panopticon wet dream of advertisers and governments alike. Plus hardware will be too expensive for plebs and we’ll all have scaled back dumb terminal tablets that connect to Microsoft Azure Copilot Windows for $49.99/month
Did they ever have social permission in the first place?
Just investing in better tech instead of stacking GPUs might suffice too
“But we’re rendering naked children as fast as we can”
It would be more useful to replace CEOs with AI. Or maybe even my dog.
If dogs were CEOs, Reddit mods would have the most money in world (since they all dog walkers)
I recall an r/antiwork mod best being on the news. He walked dogs too.
The only thing I use AI for right now is spouting nonsense at it for a joke. For example I would ask ‘why didn’t (insert well known figure here) buy me lunch?’ Or ‘I farted and they cleared out a 10 block radius and called in a chemical weapons cleanup crew, is this normal?’
Shit like that.
I like giving it impossible tasks, like spell OPERATION with only 4 letters, and arguing with it as it refuses to admit that I’m wrong and have requested something impossible, or when it tries to cut corners. “No, I don’t want an abbreviation, or a word that means the same thing, I want you to spell the full word OPERATION with only 4 letters. Why can’t you get this right?”
I see…
Fuck you.
I know something useful that can be done with AI in its current form. Toss it in the fucking garbage maybe.
On the one hand, I get it. I really do. It takes an absurd amount of resources for what it does.
On the other hand, I wonder if people said the same of early generation comptuers. UNIVAC used tubes of mercury for RAM and consumed 125KW of electricity to process a whopping 2k operations per second.
Probably not. Most people weren’t aware of it, nor did they have a care for power consumption, water consumption, etc. We were in peak-American Exceptionalism in the post-war era.
But, had they, and computers kinda just…died. Right there, in the 1950s. Would we have gone to the moon? Would we have HDTV? iPhones? Social Media? A treacherous imbecile in charge of the most powerful military the world has ever seen?
Probably not.
So…I do worry about the consumption, and the ecological and environmental impact. But, what if that is a necessary evil for the continued evolution of technology, and with it, society? And, if it is, do we want that?
LLMs are dead end tech which is only useful for people who want to do unethical shit. They’re good at lying, making up nonsense, sounding like humans, facilitating scams, and misleading people. No matter how much time and energy is spent developing them, that’s all they’ll ever be good at. They can get better at doing those things, but they’ll never be good at anything actually useful because of the fact that there is no internal logic going on in them. When it tells you the moon is made of various kinds of rock, the exact same thing is happening as when it tells you the moon is made of cheese and bread. It has no way of distinguishing between these two statements. All of its ‘ideas’ are vapor, an illusion, smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t “understand” anything it’s saying, all it does is generate text that looks like something someone who does understand language would say. There is no logic in the background and there cannot be.
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(www.computerhistory.org/revolution/…/83)
early generation computers fueled a demand that was being supplied by rooms and rooms of human calculators calculating and checking each other’s works for scientists, engineers, businesses, and government agencies
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(Manhattan Project, Atomic Heritage Foundation picture)
they would not have died out, because they were a necessary part of the evolution of technology at their time. more importantly, they were more accurate than their human calculators. computers don’t forget to carry a number to the next digit or flip them around. barring exceptionally rare cosmic radiation events. and their technological progression fueled an ever greater need until now when tech has entered post-scarcity when it comes to calculating power.
generative AI in contrast was an offering looking for a purpose. spare gigaflops no longer needed for tech people are trying to sell by building more and more hype for calculating power. sucks to be the one who invests into it, but that’s business. sometimes investment don’t work out. if microsoft can’t hype up a demand then it is unnecessary technology.
Those old computers you speak of: They worked. There is no comparison to be made here.
They were built in order to give us an edge on the battlefield. More accurate artillery and the like. They did math which humans could do, but which would take humans weeks or months, and the answers were required within timeframes more like 12 hours, because war.
They were so useful, so valuable, that they were worth the treasure spent. They conferred a kind of superintelligence to their users. Those with brains to understand could see this, and so yes, hobbyists found their way to building their own machines, once small CPUs became available, however janky. Anyone who had to do math, who had to do math, went into debt if they had to, and learned to use these janky beasts because the advantage was weeks or months of time they didn’t have to grind on paper.
There is nothing about AI that resembles any of that.
It’s like Facebook’s squandering tens of billions of dollars on the Metaverse even though nobody asked for it or wants it. Ultimately they had to give up on it, and the same thing will happen here.
Must do something useful? You’re the one selling the damn thing. You can’t build a Pinto and then tell people “we have to stop burning to death or we’ll lose permission to keep production faulty cars.”
There is something inherently wrong with your product, and you can’t even fix it because you’re too busy shoving it down everyone’s throats.
It’s like you’re trying to bake cookies using pieces of every plagiarized baking recipe, whether or not they’re related. Then, before you’ve actually tasted the cookies, you’re telling everyone to reach into the oven and try using this “basic” cookie to modify and make their own cookies.
Except the cookies haven’t even baked yet. And before you’ve ever tasted a single fully baked cookie, you’re announcing modifications to your cookie dough recipe based on feedback from your previously undercooked, improperly made cookies.
Go back to small scale. Let people bake their own cookies at home, and report what they’ve discovered. Try upscaling those recipes, and see if you can make any parts more efficient.
And quit telling people to eat your tainted cookies that are poisoning everyone, and then telling them that if they don’t start enjoying your cookies soon, then you’re gonna have to shut down your factory.
Your cookie/Pinto/AI venture deserves to be shut down. Take the L, learn from it, and try again after you figure out how to get it right. Bake a better cookie instead of trying to make better consumers.
Yeah, cause its totally not end-stage capitalism to invest a trillion dollars into something and THEN figure out what its for.
So you admit it. You admit AI isn’t useful.
Quick! Jam it into toasters! Put LLMs into keyboards so they rewrite everything inputted! AI-powered screwdrivers!
Toasted AI! The best kind of AI!
Ah. Is THAT why they’re trying to shove it into everything.
"The bubble is gonna burst sooner or later, and we really hope we can do something to convince everyone there is something useful here - whether that’s by finally making something good enough, or just finally turning non-stakeholder tech-literate people over to our side.
“Because otherwise everything we all poured into this was for nothing, and we will have to scramble like lunatics to not end up on the chopping block of history.”
You don’t have permission 🤷♀️
You should… ASK PEOPLE BEFORE ? 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
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How about we train them on killing billionaires?
Can we not all just log into chat gpt at the same time and ask it to count up to a googleplex sequentially in one second intervals?
Waaay ahead of you buddy
just need to get rid of jensen, and it will all collapse.
A single point of failure you say? 🤔
Maybe they should look into selling AI CP since it seems to be great at geberating that shit
But only to protect the children™ of course
They’ll spin it with some BS like “if they’re looking at our generations they won’t touch real children” or some shit like that
That might be the only off-ramp.
They have nothing consumers want.
For the vast majority of use-cases we’ve been presented with, the most useful thing you can do with AI is abandon it.
LOL
Funny seeing this post during a big Microsoft outage lmao
I bough a second hand laptop with windows 11 and it had Copilot pushing down your throat.
It’s now running Fedora just fine. And if I want I can spin up a local AI when I decide that I need it.
No
Microsoft CEO warns that we must ‘do something useful’ with AI or they’ll lose ‘social permission’ to burn electricity on it
<Insert AI generated video of Microsoft CEO dancing around with willies on his head>
I have a use for it. Put it in the recycle bin.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Skynet or China wins is the goal. It’s useful to US empire to do Palantir surveilllance for “Patriotic subservience to Israel first agenda”. Robocops instead of ICE officers provides useful increase in bravery to apply fascism. We must race China in robots, without any manufacturing aptitude, or power capacity, with only extortionist oligarch power expansion options, under an oligarchist, corporatist, zionist supremacist fascism to concentrate oligarchy and fascism further, so as to force China to keep up and “everyone” (important) makes money playing the game of winning is which side gets destroyed more.
So, as long as we view US empire as useful, Skynet is very useful. We can pretend that some other apps will be useful (Nadela is saying “just buy a PC and learn excel to be useful” as main point), but all of big tech is courting US government for big datacenter use, and political unanimity for war on China, means there is no other “useful” application required.
The most important social permission for AI, is the permission to fund Skynet, and the permission for warmongering military budget and attitude. An Israel/Oligarchist first rulership means there is never any money for any other purpose than that supremacism. The destination of collapse is a consequence only for the little people. Wealth “creation” (pillaging) in the journey, and escape from consequences of collapse.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Congrats, an LLM would be unable to spew all that crap in a million years
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Not sure what your point is. Oligarchist or Zionist supremacism has no influence on US democracy? No politician supports warmongering? Where is the crap?