Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai are cowards - X’s deepfake porn feature clearly violates app store guidelines. Why won’t Apple and Google pull it?

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• sigh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  this is actually a pretty wild headline to appear on the verge frontpage

  good on them

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  • W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I see a lot of people hate The Verge and I don’t understand why. Is it perfect? No. But, I think they have a pretty solid ethics policy and they call out bullshit.

    I like 404 better but Verge is by no means bad.

    Maybe there was an issue with them that I don’t know about? Idk!

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    • missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      An eon ago they made a PC building guide that was riddled with mistakes and had to pull it down again and I think that’s still where most of that comes from.

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    • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Paywalls mostly (speaking for myself).

      That and, back in the day, they trashed Samsung for making big phones, then praised Apple for making objectively less functional ones (no stylus, no Note like features). We started calling them iVerge back then, for favoritism to Apple. Even as an Apple guy, I found it annoying.

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    • frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Google “verge pc build”. They ran a video of a guy, completely unqualified, building a “$2000 PC”, and doing almost everything wrong. And then the guy called people racists for dunking on him. There’s layers to the story. The Verge has been a joke of tech reporting for years.

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• BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’ve been an Apple user since the 80s, I used to be penpals with their CFO Ellen Hancock. Would get care packages from their PR team full of promo items. Exchanged emails with Wozniak and Jobs. I was deeply obsessed.

  Obviously things have drifted away from the core “underdog” vibe that Apple exemplified for so long, as their popularity and device adoption surged, they’ve been less of the Apple I knew.

  But Cook’s behavior this year has me realizing I’ve bought my last Apple device. Bring on Linux in every form.

  I know I don’t matter at all, but it would have taken epic amounts of bullshit to make me sour on them, and here we are.

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  • Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Your individual change is a drop in the ocean but everyone making that change is a tidal wave. I have very recently moved to linux after almost 30 years using windows. It is an incredible set of OSs with brilliant support from a fantastic community and it keeps getting better.

    We need to make the change and encourage others too.

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    • bdama@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re not alone. Used to be the biggest Apple fan, worked there for nearly ten years until 2023.

      Last year I made the cut, the new PC I bought was custom built and is running Linux. My MacBook Air is running Asahi Fedora Remix primarily and the iPhone was sold on. Disconnecting from iCloud was a pain, getting pictures off of their system took me three months but it was worth it. Self hosting my stuff now and 2026 is the year to switch my family and friends over as well.

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  • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I recently saw a video about what changed and it’s very clear that it is almost entirely Tim Cook’s fault. He’s a rotten snake who no one ever seemed to really like and who was constantly wrong about nearly everything and yet was left in charge and, with zero surprise whatsoever, immediately and consistently fucked it all up.

    He was handed a roadmap to making money without sacrificing quality or much integrity(corporations seem hell-bent on making sure they always suck a little bit at the very least) and he threw it away to be a little bitch instead.

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  • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just finishing off setting up ElementaryOS on my wife’s early 2015 MacBook Air. It’s based on Ubuntu LTS, but with a custom theme to make it macOS-esque. Seems pretty good so far, but time will tell if she enjoys using it.

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• stringere@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Post deepfake porn of them and their wives or husbands on X.

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  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s…actually a pretty good idea.

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  • Leonardo_da_Vinci@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    More views, more ads. Go ahead make them richer.

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• pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They pulled Tumblr over cartoon porn, but using AI to sexually abuse actual women and children is all good, apparently.

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  • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s because they fear what Musk might do.

    Twitter should be banned for making CSAM.

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Money and mutually assured destruction (blackmail-able info).

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  • nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not just blackmail, if either had the balls to ban twitter I don’t imagine the large fascist would keep his mouth shut and not retaliate. So it’s also extortion!

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I thought him and musk had a falling out?

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• HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If you have an Apple account take a min to report it.

  reportaproblem.apple.com

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  • FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thanks, this is very helpful!

    It’s only allowing me report apps I’ve installed so I’m wondering if I should very briefly install the app to allow that. I’m generally cautions of allowing dodgy apps on my devices.

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    • HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You don’t have to open it. Therefore not being able to grant it permissions to access info.

      *I mean that theoretically but it’s worth a shot.we can also review bomb it on the App Store.

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    • Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t even download apps you don’t feel comfortable with because the permissions they are granted are agreed-upon at the time of download and you are also boosting the download and usage metrics simply by installing it and opening it once.

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• abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I mean Grok is literally being used to make CSAM so it should not only be taken down but illegal to use.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    how many times do we have to say it

    the law is optional for corporations and the rich

    the law is for oppressing the poor and justifying it

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  • Bunbury@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The thing is though… is it actually CSM according to the law if there is no real child involved along the way? At least some countries might need a law change first before tackling this.

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    • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The thing is though… is it actually CSM according to the law if there is no real child involved along the way?

      Legally, yes. The law in the UK also includes images of children that are drawn or computer generated.

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• lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because money. And the laws are useless against them.

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• Tamps@feddit.uk ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It appears to demonstrate that it’s very much profit over principles and values.

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• brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because they are indeed cowards.

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  • Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Coward” implies that they want to do good, but are to scared to do so. There’s no reason to think that, and indeed we shouldn’t. They want money and Elon makes them money; that’s all there is to it. If ethics mattered to them at all, they wouldn’t have been able to climb to the position of CEO of a major corporation in the first place.

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• PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No, I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. I think people are theorizing that X is very likely to respond to pressure from Google and Apple threatening to deplatform them, and loudly complaining about them not applying their own rules equally is a great way to remind their internal lawyers to put pressure on them (insulting the CEOs is just a nice bonus).

    Frankly, if the fallot here is a relaxed adult policy, that’s still a win. LGBTQIA advocacy groups tend to get lumped in as ‘adult’, which is a problem for trans-affirming suicide prevention hotlines trying to save lives.

    As for your slippery slope question, that Pandora’s box is already open. Just half a year ago Mastercard and VISA put the strongarm on Valve and itch.io to let the payment processors ban any game they choose under the guise of pornography censorship. Pressuring a platform to censure an app ‘for the sake of the children’ just isn’t the virgin ground you seem to think it is.

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  • JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There is another battle: There is a fight to open up app installation on phones. The EU recently forced Apple to allow other app stores on iOS and Apple is fighting this as hard as you would expect. Apple & Google are taking 30% of each sale in their stores and are making bank. One of the arguments they are pushing is “safety”. Only apps on their vetted app stores are safe, every other store is unsafe and so on. If they allow a child porn app in their store, all of their arguments in this debate are invalid. And that is also an important fact for that debate.

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• xenomor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Because billionaires like these two, and the corporations that they run, believe they’re largely not accountable to the law nor cultural pressure. They exist in a cloud of privilege that never holds them to account for truth, justice nor anyone’s wellbeing as long as the investors get paid. They are sociopaths.

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  • Triumph@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    believe they're largely are

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• tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Everyone watched as Tim Cook bowed and kissed the ring. The coward was already his namesake.

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• magnetosphere@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Do you need a back brace to stand up straight, buddy? Because at this point, I am certain you haven’t got a single vertebra.

  Just want to make sure this line gets the attention it deserves.

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• xep@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  More proof that rules and guidelines only apply to those without money or privilege.

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• kinkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This was a really good article. The author is rightfully pissed off.

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  • sausager@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Image

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    • throws_lemy@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      here you go >> archive.ph/WtSlJ

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    • jenings@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You can just enable ublock origin to bypass these verge popups

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• MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why won’t Apple and Google pull it?

  Google will pull it as soon as Apple does, they’re a follower not a leader.

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  • cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Funny how it’s the other way around when it comes to hardware. Headphone jack removal and fingerprint reader, Droid did both first.

    With software, copying Apple is everyone’s game. Samsung were caught red handed literally telling their designers where they could copy Apple more. They’re only just getting around to the important bits. Software updates, and synergy with a computer (which unfortunately is Windows, not Linux).

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    • MolochHorridus@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The ”Droid” you’re talking about isn’t Google.

      Conflating the company Google, Android operating system and every company that makes phones running Android is a common mistake people make.

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• ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Because billionaires like to stick together because they think that they’re better than all of us combined.

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• FrankFrankson@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They are not cowards, they don’t give a single shit about it. There isn’t enough backlash to effect Google so Google doesn’t care. That is how corporations deal with every subject. They don’t treat child porn differently becuase it’s one of the more henious offenses; it’s simply another rule broken and it is delt woth the same way as anyother broken law or rule: ignore it or throw money at it and admit no wrong doing.

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  • e461h@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s the opposite. They are cowards. Any move to do the right thing makes you a target for oh dear leader (who is also a pedophile). So they ignore it because it’s more profitable to avoid falling out with the administration. The only value a corporation has is greed.

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• melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Fuck Tim Apple and Sundar Google.

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• DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sometimes I have the impression X is doing everything to be removed to the App Store so Musk can sue and get rid of the guidelines. And as we can see here we can do even CSAM on his social network and no one do anything, this should be a matter of law, not a private company like Google or Apple.

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• SpicyTaint@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What’s stopping people from making extremely cursed deepfakes of these idiots and spamming it everywhere? They’ve got to get tired of it eventually.

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  • frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They can afford to hire the Pinkertons to find you.

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  • Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not them… their family members. Spouses, siblings, parents, kids. There are no rules any more.

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  • RightEdofer@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    These people benefit from a world where real evidence is buried and indistinguishable from deepfakes.

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  • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    In elons case he actually would love that, he’s fucked

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  • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t know man, C level executives are all about the money, they would sell out their moms to make a buck.

    If it doesn’t hurt their position in the company, they wouldn’t give a single fuck. They literally kissed the ring of a dictator, they’d dance to any tune to make the line go up.

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• Sunshine@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Hit their bottom line!

  !linuxphones@lemmy.ca

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• evol@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  hopefully more leftists/progressives will wake up about how trusting these companies with “censorship” and having closed source proprietary tech/platforms so entangled in our lives is a bad thing. Most in my experience just complain about how we need to tax them without really thinking about how we can disentangle them from our lives. The past 20 years have been this weird bubble where the largest creators of capital (silicon valley) were not explicitly sided with the auth right wing. People have gotten too use to this especially with personal data and just expecting the state to save them.

  I like to think this will cause open source solutions and federated ecosystems to become more popular. Maybe i’m a doomer but we will just get more tiktoks about trump is bad and “late stage capitalism”. People I think just will never sacrifice convenience in life, its why authoritarianism seems to always win.

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• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  All sorts of weird precedents are being set in the shameless kowtowing to the deluded traffic cone

  Lawyers are going to be making all sorts of weird arguments based on precedent for years thanks to this presidency

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  But Xitter disabled image gen now.

  Sure, yes, in any niche app, they would’ve pulled it and never allowed it again.

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• hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why would respecting the guidelines upset “the right”? Are they all pedophiles?

  Apple’s keyboard doesn’t even have the word pedophile. Kind of ironic isn’t it?

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• LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sadly I’m hoping they do it so Musk will poor money into allowing side loaded apps in Android and iOS permanently

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• 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Appeasing fascist is always, always going to make them bolder.

  But apparently fighting back “is exactly what he wants” so yea, good luck with doing more of nothing “exactly what he wants” .

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• gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Right in the name

  They’re guidelines

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  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    fancytalk for a double standard

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Exactly. They’re okay with the fascist Xitpool, but if any regular dev ever crossed those “guidelines,” they’d be banned in a heartbeat.

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