Submitted 1 day ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
We need more cloud services.
It’s funny, because I’ve heard a variety of reasons why the outage happened, why it wasn’t caught in time, why it signaled a problem with hardware versus software or human error versus automation.
I think its safe to say the company is increasingly over-managed and under-staffed, no matter how you slice it. Maybe its time to just break the mega-corp up already and let some good old fashioned free market competition fix this mess.
Amazon just did more layoffs today.
some good old fashioned free market competition
This kills the billionare
We also need more individuals paying for “business” Internet connections at home. We need self-hosters to be able to feel comfortable running public services from their homes. And so we need a set of practices and recipes to follow, so a self-hoster can feel confident that, if one thing gets broken into, the other few dozen things they’re hosting will stay safe.
The “family nerd” hosting things for the family needs to be a thing again. Sorry, friends, I know family tech support sucks. It’ll suck so much more when it’s a web site down and nobody can reach their kid’s softball team page, and there’s a game next weekend, etc. But we’ve seen what happens when we abdicate our responsibilities and let for-profit companies handle it for us.
(I wish so hard that I had a solution ready, a corporate LAN in a box, that someone can just install and use. I’m working on something, but I’m pretty sure I over-complicated it. It doesn’t need to be Fort Knox, it just needs to be pretty good. And I suck at ops stuff.)
We need more places offering the same upload as download so people can do these things from home. Here I know spectrum only offers like 10mb upload even if you’ve got like 3gb download.
It’s not only upload (I’m so lucky living in France) but CORS, DNS and other stuff that de-decentralise things IMO.
I’m so tired of my 40Mbps upload speeds. Why can I get 1.2Tbps down, but only 40Mbps up? It’s crazy.
most consumers don’t need upload speeds.
You need a new modem that supports the higher upload speed protocol. And having a DOCSIS 3.1 isn’t enough… it has to be a DOCSIS 3.1 that supports the new protocols. I had to switch to a Hitron CODA because my Netgear CM1000 wasn’t enough anymore
At least where I’m at, Spectrum also blocks a lot of ports. Can’t even use FTP!
The last time I looked at bus internet for my location, they wanted 3x the price for 2/3 the speed. At my actual job 20m away, I have the same provider and a business acct. Same downtime, same equipment, only unlock port 80 and 443.
Maybe with symmetric fiber and if the electricity prices lower I’ll go back to that. Before the advent of convenient and cheap providers we had ou webservers, irc servers and some game servers at home… but the cost of that and the additional maintenance nightmare makes that less desirable than having OVH doing it all for me…
Homes should come with a static IP address.
Even just ipv6 would be nice
Tell me more about your thing!
I’m working on a decentralised sharing protocol, and I’d love getting likeminded people together.
We need to ditch cloud entirety and go in house again.
Bit of an over-reaction to one incident. I’d be willing to bet the uptime, reliability and scalability of AWS is significantly better than what the vast majority of in-house solutions could do. It’s absolutely not worth going back.
Millions of customers using AWS also weren’t affected - the company I work for certainly wasn’t, although some of our tools like Jira were.
We need to ditch cloud entirety and go in house again.
For many many companies that would be returning to the bad-old-days.
I don’t miss getting an emergency page during the Thanksgiving meal because there’s excessive temperature being reported in the in-house datacenter. Going into the office and finding the CRAC failed and its now 105 degree F. And you knew the CRAC preventive maintenance was overdue and management wouldn’t approve the cost to get it serviced even though you’ve been asking for it for more than 6 months. You also know with this high temp event, you’re going to have an increased rate of hard drive failures over the next year.
No thank you.
We don’t have to. It is entirely possible to engineer applications and services in a way that they’re not dependent on any one cloud service, while also using cloud services for IaaS. Netflix famously does this, and sure enough Netflix experience no service interruptions during this latest outage despite having a large AWS presence.
I certainly don’t miss dealing with air conditioning, dry fire protection, and redundant internet connections.
I also don’t miss trying to deal with aging servers out and bringing new hardware in.
That work is still being done by someone in a data centre. But all these jobs went from in-house positions to the centres.
The inverse of the old axiom “The cloud is just someone else’s computer” is “Yes, duh, that’s how you get economies of scale”.
In-housing would mean an enormous increase in demand for physical hardware and IT technical services with a large variance in quality and accessibility. Like, it doesn’t fix the problem. It just takes one big problem and shatters it into a thousand little problems.
That’s good though. It means half the internet wouldn’t fail.
this headline has mad ‘it was was in the last place i looked’ vibe.
We need more self hosted services
Aren’t those even less reliable? I participated on MetaFilter for a long time, a website running on a server in a guy’s closet. It was up and down, up and down. It became the bane of his existence. It was slow. I’ve heard other similar stories over the years.
So I’m genuinely curious - how would this solve anything?
I think they are saying they would rather depend on software and hardware that they can more or less control rather than cloud services
Reminder to everyone, if you aren’t necessarily worried about uptime too much, and have a spare device at home, you can host personal websites and various services that might be useful for yourself or friends and family. To keep it simple, all you would really need is
Keep your device and router updated and reboot it every once in a while to load the updated kernel. Then just install some web server software or whatever on your device and point your domain to it.
Together, we can decentralize the web a little bit 🙂
As a novice DON’T put your devices on the open Internet. Use something like tailscale or Splittunnel. You can give your friends access through that.
Thats why I suggested an up-to-date router that isn’t end-of-life. If you keep your router firmware updated, your firewall on, and your “server” updated, then you are as protected as any VPS that has ever been deployed.
Tailscale is centralized and prevents you from accessing your devices if it goes down, which is what the OP points out. If we want some decentralization, we can configure our current equipment to do so. Its not so difficult if you spend some time reading your router’s documentation and keep everything behind it updated. NAT routing is pretty good at keeping bad things out.
You are likely to get away with this if your website doesnt get much traffic.
But to much and your ISP is likely to tell you to knock it off, or just close your subscription.
If they’re not actively blocking ports 80 and 443, then its pretty clear they are allowing their users to host websites.
Any good guide to set this up?
It will totally depend on the equipment you plan on using, but in general, your router’s manual/documentation should say whether it supports Dynamic DNS, how to configure your firewall, and how to enable port forwarding.
From there, your device’s operating system should have documentation on how to perform maintenance, and the web server software you plan on using should have guides on how to get it running on your OS of choice.
What kind of services?
I’m having trouble imagining what’s possible and worth hosting for friends and family.
We need to put Amazon in the cloud.
Cuz, you know, the cloud never goes down 👎. /s
But in any complex system, the single point of failure is so important!
heavy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
We need to democratize the internet again, every generation there’s a ma bell pretending they own the internet. Current Gen is Google, AWS, Azure and the like, with ISPs just making sure they get their cut.
I don’t have an issue with these services existing, but in such a way that everything depends on a couple companies? Dangerous for everyone.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
“There’s a monopoly” — proceeds to list 3 separate providers. Don’t forget there’s also Akami, now we’re up to 4.
The issue is more so with companies that choose to use cloud providers. They’re the ones attempting to cheap out because they don’t want to pay infrastructure costs. You also have a lack of knowledge by engineers on how to create redundant/reliable systems.
Not everything on the internet went down. There’s plenty that was just fine. So I don’t really don’t know what “democratizing” it would gain, or how.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 57 minutes ago
Monopolies exist exactly like this. With them not competing fairly and coordinating with one another so as to not encroach on theory territory.
Ever wonder why despite there being dozens of ISPs in the country, you’ve only ever got an option for like a main one, and an intentionally shitty one to make the main one look better?
It’s all a rigged game.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Thats called a Cartel. and a cartel can fucking monopolize shit, dumbass.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Democratizing the internet would mean half the known internet hosting their infrastructure in us-east-2
AlexLost@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Sounds like it comes down to money and man power, something the world is trying to do away with. As in employing actual people with skills and knowledge and investing money without seeing immediate returns. The whole world has become a cash and dash scheme and they are all just seeing how long they can get away with it before we revolt. I know where my vote lies, do you?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Just don’t look to hard at the market share or the client composition, sure.
I mean, do you tell people they’re cheaping out because they hire a plumber rather than spending eighteen months learning to DIY every pipe in their house? There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with outsourcing to cloud services on its face. A couple big warehouses at strategic points in town specifically designed to operate as central hubs for digital traffic makes far more sense than every single office building having a dozen different floors with two IT guys of dubious quality in a badly ventilated closet manning cobbled together rack space.
One of the more successful American models for publicly owned and operated data infrastructure:
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