Submitted 3 weeks ago by Jomega@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
I came here around the time the rif app shut down, and the general vibe I get from this place is much more negative than when I joined. Is Lemmy growing more toxic or is it just my imagination?
Yea the shitposting has steadily increased. That is probably to be expected on a platform that is also steadily increasing.
However please don’t let the trolls think they turn this into the failure that is now Reddit.
Instead just call out the bullshit for what it is and carry on.
The world is increasingly hostile, but let me still seems more humane than any other social media.
No. Fuck you.
/s
Blame reddit. Lemmy is the home for us, the permabanned.
As a platform grows, you tend to get more diversity of voices. As voices become diverse, conflict becomes inevitable.
Oh yeah? Well I think you’re wrong!
Yeah? Well, so’s your face!
Well, too bad, because I'm right!
Lemmy isn’t really growing. I think it’s been shrinking actually.
Yup, just got piled on and ackshually’d once again because god forbid someone has a different opinion.
How about “spreading misinformation” when making a personal comment on the internet. People cant see the difference between official publication and personal opinion… :)
Maybe we should just disallow personal comments and let the ministry of truth speak for the citizens.
I don’t follow.
Yes its more negative. Comes with more users.
Places would change up and down in tone and attitude since the days of Usenet, BBSes, and FidoNet. It's not the platform, it's the people. How the world is in RL affects how people talk online, and the world changes over time.
The simpler answer may be that your feed has changed some since you started and you're pulling in discussions that have a different vibe than when you started. Just as you can grow your feed by browsing around, you can cull certain places that tend to be darker by blocking people or instances.
in RL
This is a first for me. Excuse me, gotta run to the automated TM real quick.
I've seen it in both forms online and in chat, but I'm also old so it might be a depreciated form. I'm a walking internet archive.
I’ve seen a lot of hard exclusionary leftists making noise outside of the triad.
exclusionary leftists
Redundant.
I'd position myself further left than "progressive", closer to "leftist", but not of that brand that thinks that anyone who isn't doing exactly what I want is the enemy.
Yeah, we tend to look down on things like people claiming 17 year olds are adults dtf
Compared to election season? Nah. But everybody sees different stuff on Lemmy.
This place (old.lemmy.zip) is downright chill. Then again, I just came of Reddit and that is in full rage-bait algorithm-driven meltdown. Feels like Reddit in 2010 here. Just lovely…
It’s trepidation due to the asinine purity tests which ultimately lead to everyone being called a “Nazi”. Now STFU Nazi! Whose side are you on?!
ultimately lead to everyone being called a “Nazi
There’s two kinds of people who post this.
People who are extremely naive and don’t understand the context of what they’re saying
Actual fascists
Ha! I literally have you tagged as a fascist, so not a surprising comment.
Fuck off /s
I hope your dog gets bit by a skateboarding pug
Idk, world events got me raging nonstop and I’m sure I’m not the only one. But I’m trying to reset.
Reset by like… Burning everything?
It’s not that hard to be a good person. I don’t care if you’ve banned me from your community, if your community exists to spread hate i’m going to do everything in my power to disrupt and derail your community. We’re at the stage in humanity where theres no longer any excuse to justify anything less than being a good person.
If you are not going out of your way to improve everyones lives, you are the problem and should just die. Theres way too many people just like you who think the world is just going to improve so we dont need to out the nazis and racists and sexists. Nah fuck that, i see a nazi and im going to harrass them until they die, hopefully by their own hand.
I don’t like the moderator logs, because they keep the moderators who censor content anonymous. You can’t tell people which moderator is being abusive, so ALL moderators have to be painted as a jackass. That isn’t good, because good moderators have to be a human shield…and the community can’t establish trust.
Lmfao just took a look at my page and a mod removed my comment. Literally could not get more ironic, all i said was that hate communities will not be tolerated.
You suck! (im sorry im just kidding)
Well fuck you (pls)
🥸
I’ve not noticed that in particular yet. but it might be because I block accounts that don’t add constructively to the comments, so maybe I’m not seeing a lot of the worst behaviour.
Can confirm. Lemmy became a lot friendlier after I blocked the worst of the permanently outraged communities and a bunch of people with extreme views.
I try to limit that to the worst cases, though, as I don’t want to drive “bubblification” too much…
I’ve gotten pretty zealous with the block button. When I see a comment thread with some dipshit who clearly isn’t being constructive I just block them immediately now.
The world is kind of a shitty place right now. And to be honest, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t, at least to some degree, affecting everyone’s calm.
Its always been shitty. Ask your grandparents how they felt growing up during wars and poverty.
Every new generation is surprised the world is kind of shitty.
No. Why? Are you accusing me of something? Are you threatening me??
/s
I haven’t noticed it lately, but I’ve experienced what you’re talking about. As far as I can tell, it ebbs and flows.
There’s a facet of internet culture that revolves around ridicule. I’m not sure but I think it stems from the streamer world. It’s like a modern form of celebrity gossip (read: harassment) that got commoditized into social media. So it’s not just gossiping about celebrities like in the past era of media.
Harassment used to be driven by publishers. In this era of social media anyone and everyone is a content publisher. People trawl the internet for things they think can be made spectacle. Right down to a random internet comment 100 replies deep in a thread. If for whatever reason they think this person is to be made a fool of then they proceed to reply with such belligerence.
They engage as if they are an outside observer. As if they’ve an audience like it’s Jerry Springer or something. As if they are the only human being. They don’t see others as human. Everyone else are caged animals for them taunt. To throw objects at through the cage bars or to tap on the glass. They think they are the main character.
I think there’s some psychological effect where their parasocial relationship with their favorite streamers and the herd of loyal viewers gives them a false sense of power based on the crowd effect or something. They can’t see it from the perspective that they are a lone poster being deranged.
I think the vote/like/share model gives them a false sense of power. When they see the uplikes number go up, they think they have a herd of supporters behind them. A simple little number on a screen emboldens them.
Nobody seems to see anything out of the ordinary with this. Such is the nature of this era of internet and the hostility. It’s normalized. They don’t know of any way of being.
You’re not a streamer with a herd of followers. You’re just a sole internet user. You have no crowd behind you. It’s like you think you do. It’s bizarre. From observers outside your perspective, you’re like an unstable person wandering the city streets. Pedestrians avoid you. They don’t want to aggravate you. You’re seen as someone possibly having a mental break. Or is it drugs or some kind of substance abuse.
On the internet now it’s unavoidable. These crazies are out here. They’re aggravated. They jump down anyones throat. On much of social media it’s the only way they know how to be. Just belligerence against belligerence all the time. Nobody talks like a normal human being. It’s like they’re derealized. Dissociated.
A basic fact that internet has no moderators anymore. They’re moderators in name only. The definition of the word is lost. To “moderate”. To preside over a discussion. Nobody does this anymore. The crazies are allowed to run amok. There’s some hints of actual moderation on Lemmy instances. The extremists have been grinding away at wearing this down though. In general this kind of thing is completely absent on social media anymore.
Get a load of this guy
Good post and you see exactly what ive seen as well. Something is very wrong with online people today. They dont realize they are wrong. I guess its hard to see when they get upvoted for being wrong.
A lot of it came from early 4chan and the online culture war of creationism. It’s like the right test drove its tactics using creationism, and also took what they saw was popular with the cool internet kids.
I also noticed how every post just has 5-10 random down votes. Like perfectly fine post in the correct community, not controversial, no rules broken, -10 down votes.
Tempting to downvote that post, not gonna lie
People here do tend to downvote for disagreeing with any little part of something that was said.
Little snowflakes.
Yeah. I’ve enjoyed Lemmy casually for years, but this last year has really killed my desire to read or post here.
For me it’s everywhere. I still come to these things out of habit or because i don’t have energy for a regular hobby, but it’s getting draining. All of social media just brings me back to politics, even if funny memes are in between. I also have a habit of reading comments, and then some dingus brings the one non political thing back down to politics anyway.
Because social media is used to program you. What to think, what opinions to have. So thats why you see politics and fighting, its all about influencing populations. And where do you influence the youngest? Right here on social media.
Filter your content to get the vibe you want.
Blocking the porn and impotently hostile makes it quite the chill platform.
Welcome back, I’ve been here the whole time and currently it seems a bit more toxic and hostile than when RIF shut down, I feel there are a couple more contrarians now than before but it hasn’t been a steady decline. There has always been the odd jerk and troll on this site. I would say the time Lemmy was most wholesome when !cat@lemmy.world flooded the front page with black cats, it was such a cute problem for us to have. Anyone else remember that?
Like others I’d say it’s cyclical month to month. This year there’s daily doom in the news with US politics. If you want to avoid that then block !news@lemmy.world, !politics@world, !usa@midwest.social, and other news and politics if it fills up with Trump posts. 2024 was a lot more hopeful and I think that reflected in the average user’s demeanor even if there was bothsidesism, Gaza stuff, Ukraine stuff and Trumpism stuff. You’ll be informed of important developments as Trump stuff leaks out on occasion but you don’t need to be constantly engaged.
Also: If you see a crapton of comments on a post with low votes then you know best to turn and run from the thread where most of the comments are.
No, just an uptick in complaints about it.
Makes me pretty proud if my subscription list, honestly.
Excuse me?! Are you saying I’m negative?! Are you trying to start a fight with me, bro?! I am THE, I mean THE most positive, fun and likeable person on THE internet, bro. THE.
I considered making a really insulting comment on this just for fun, but I just can’t be arsed.
I appreciate the honesty.
It seems that out in the real world and here in the digital world we have been allowed/engineered to lose our civility and respect. Reminds me of the rock orchestra DEVO.
Civility as a desirable trait seems so bizarre to me. Historically it’s been used as a tool of oppression. In fact, it still is (remember those portions of Tennessee who lost their representatives due to “decorum” “violations”?)
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It seems like some AI bots with contrarian comments in order to drive engagement or strong arm wild political platforms have started to leak into the fediverse as a whole. Still better than other options though.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I’ve seen a bunch of what appear to be bot accounts dropping douchey comments. They’ve been down voted to oblivion, but it sucks seeing it here.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Got some examples?