Submitted 12 hours ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.techspot.com/news/109674-open-printer-fully-open-source-inkjet-drm-free.html
They will use CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Which means it’s not open source, and no-one else can sell replacement cartridges, parts etc.
It might still be a good printer and enjoyed by some, but it really annoys me when companies mix these terms up, almost certainly deliberately.
The cartridges are a HP design. The CC license is the smallest problem here.
The only complex part of the hardware is the HP cartridge controller, and you have at least part of the work here: hackaday.io/project/…/details
Despite the clickbait headline this isn’t open source
Open Printer will use the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license
The NC license isn’t open source, it violates point six of the OSD
Creative Commons doesn’t even seem appropriate for hardware. Like, that’s trying to apply copyright law in patent’s realm.
Also means that a robust community of people creating businesses to sell variations of the hardware for those who aren’t as maker friendly cannot emerge, correct?
Bc imo that’s what really got early 3d printing off the ground. Like back in 2010 during the reprap days there were all the independent maker storefronts plus a few bigger ones like lulzbot and makerbot (that eventually all got put out of business or bought for toxic modern shit like bambulab because in the modern day under capitalism every single industry has to consolidate until it’s under a few large extremely consumer hostile companies with okay products that just eventually get worse and worse bc there’s no competition or regulation for them but I digress).
Without this industry or a proper open source platform I don’t see how this will succeed
Also means that a robust community of people creating businesses to sell variations of the hardware for those who aren’t as maker friendly cannot emerge, correct?
Correct, that’s exactly the problem with NC licenses.
Wow, they even did description about open source AI
While I'd personally love to see an open color lazer printer more. (Less wasteful and more rugged) This is still fantastic! It's always been a saying of mine that modern printers are the torture devices of our time. This could go a long long way to right a lot of these wrongs. I will definitely have to check this out.
While I’d personally love to see an open color lazer printer more. (Less wasteful and more rugged)
I use a black-and-white laser printer, but if I were going to use a color laser printer, I’d like to have an open color laser printer simply because I’d like to have a printer that isn’t dumping printer tracking dots into each image I print.
Yes, I have a black and white brother lazer printer. That thing is a workhorse. Still gives problems every so often, but far more reliable than any inkjet printer I've ever had. And far less costly to maintain.
The issue with color laser printers is they generally need a print head for each color iirc.
There are LED laser printers that don’t require this though
Oh I know. No shade on them for starting with inkjet. Long term though the lazer/LED printers are just the more economical and sustainable option. This is a welcome disruption regardless.
A brother laser printer solves all problems. No dry ink and no subscription. I should have gotten one sooner.
Or a Canon if you can’t afford a Brother.
Prints even without ink, and the software looks and behaves like it’s from 1996 so it’s ridiculously simple. It doesn’t harass you or fill your PC with bloat—the software just hangs out quietly in the background and only pops up when you need to print to inform you of ink levels—it doesn’t bother you with bullshit ever.
The only modern feature it has is network connectivity, which is honestly the only modern feature I need in a printer, so that I can print from my phone without having to boot up my PC first. And that’s even simpler than printing from PC because you don’t even need a driver. Just hit the Print option in Android and start printing.
Yup. I’m on my second now because of an international relocation, but the first one is still going strong at my dad’s. Bought that thing 14 years ago, was the first series that came with network enabled printing instead of USB (though it has a port).
I love that they also designed some ways to save space. Most of us no longer live in a world where we print multiple times a week. Printers just sit around and take up space while they do nothing for month on end.
This thing is small, wall mountable, and you don’t need to store flat packed paper.
These folks should win a red dot design award for this. Really smart industrial design all around. They really solved a lot of different problems, not just the ink problem.
Will the Ferengi Alliance allow this?
I could get into it if it were laser; I’ve long given up on inkjet.
Agreed. But a start is a start. More of this please!
the thing is laser printer is costlier upfront, Bulkier, heavier, needs more space and compared to inkjet printer
That’s true. I don’t print much (I’m happy to go to the print shop) but my wife does quite a bit, but not enough to keep the ink from drying out.
After buying two inkjet printers and having constant problems with the cartridges it probably would’ve been cheaper to start with the laser printer I eventually bought. I didn’t realize that HP would lock out cartridges from their subscription on cancellation either (which feels very morally wrong to me).
It’s technically more money upfront, but you’re not just buying the printer itself: you’re also buying the starter ink/toner cartridges that come with the device. The starter toner gives you vastly more pages than the starter ink, and it basically never goes bad. According to Brother, the size of a starter toner cartridge is 1000 A4 pages. According to HP, their Deskjet and Envy starter cartridges print about 150 and 250 pages, respectively.
So that higher upfront cost doesn’t just go into a better, more efficient machine; it also goes into quadruple the starting pages. There are people who could seriously never print more than 1000 pages, whereas the starter for a Deskjet is so small that you practically ought to buy a spare cartridge for when it near-immediately runs out.
I still disbelieved than we are living in the timeline than the fucking printers are DMR restricted.
FUCKING…
PRINTERS…
That’s just the tip of the iceberg of printer issues. I’m in networking, don’t get me started on networking and security issues involved in printing “solutions”
I used to work as IT on a multinational and have few things in this life than i hate more than printers and owls, but they found a way tonmake printers even shittier
Sounds like it sucks at every level. From what I’ve dealt with on just software/drivers:
You want to use scan to email through anything that isn’t a fully open, no auth, anonymous SMTP relay? Go fuck yourself.
Wait… we changed our mind. We’ll totally support SMTP authentication, but with an arbitrary undocumented limit on the password length we can store, which is definitely shorter than the password length requirements for most SMTP relay suites. Certificates? Holy shit are you from the future?
Or you can scan to network share, but I hope you enjoy finding all the hidden catches and caveats that are completely undocumented!
You want an option so people have to log in at the printer itself to release their print job? Enjoy six different interfaces for five different underlying standards for how that works across two different manufacturers. And we reserve the right to just stop supporting that feature or change it entirely with any firmware or driver update. And if there’s a mismatch between the driver and firmware then we’ll just make the print spooler/job queue shit itself and require manual intervention to continue printing.
You want our driver to properly communicate to end user software the paper sizes it supports? If it supports double sided printing or not? How it will collate multiple copies? Man, we can’t even care enough to indicate to software if we’re Black and White or Color. Best we can do is completely ignore the options you picked through your software and our driver and just do whatever we think is best. That’s a good compromise, right?
For the price of these god damn enterprise mfds, there’s no excuse.
You can get inkjet printers that don’t have restrictions on the ink. They cost more, though.
The reason printer manufacturers are so hell-bent on being a pain in the ass with the ink is because they’re using a razor-and-blades model. They’re selling you the printer at a lower price than they really should, if their price reflected their costs, with the expectation that they’ll make their money back when you buy ink at a higher price than you really should, because people pay more attention to the the initial price of the printer than to the consumable costs.
Same way you can get unlocked cell phones instead of network-locked cell phones with a plan. Gaming PCs instead of consoles. It’s not that they’re unavailable, but you’re gonna have to accept a higher up-front cost, because you’re not getting a subsidy from the manufacturer.
Canon sells a line of inkjet printers that just take ink from a bottle. No hassles with restrictions on ink supply there. The ink is cheap, and there are third-party options that are even cheaper readily available…but you’re going to pay full price for the printer.
https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/printers/megatank-printers
Their lowest-end “MegaTank” printer is $230:
https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/megatank-pixma-g3290
A pack of third-party ink refill bottles is $15, and will print (using Canon’s metrics), about 7,700 color pages and 9,000 black-and-white pages:
https://www.amazon.com/Refill-Compatible-Bottles-MegaTank-4-Pack/dp/B0DSPSS5W7
Compatible GI-21 Black Ink Bottle Up to 9,000 pages, GI-21 Cyan/Magenta/Yellow Ink Bottles Up to 7,700 pages
On the other hand, Canon’s lowest-end “cartridge” printer, where they use the razor-and-blades model, is $55.
https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/pixma-ts3720-wireless-home-all-in-one-printer
But you rapidly pay for it with the ink; It looks like they presently sell a set of replacement cartridges for $91. And that set will print a tiny fraction of the number of pages that the above ink bottles will print.
page yield of 400 Black / 400 Color pages per ink cartridge set and cost of $90.99 for a value pack of PG-285(XL) and CL-286(XL) ink cartridges (using Canon Online Store prices as of June 2025).
All that being said, I do think that lasers are awfully nice in that you don’t need to deal with nozzles clogging. You can leave a laser printer for years and it’ll just work when you start it up.
We need to do something about companies misusing the term Open to trick people
Can OSI trademark “open source” and sue companies for not meeting its definition?
Does it still rat you out to the feds?
Oy vey.
That’s usually only an issue with color laser printers.
That is not true even a little bit. Look at any inkjet paper under a microscope made after the mid 2000s.
How they can say it’s DRM free ink if they use non refillable HP cartridges? Ok, the built-in DRM isn’t enforced, but HP has the worldwide exclusive in producing the cartridges, and its integrated printhead is literally the shittiest one you can find in the market. Yes, you can drill the tank and add ink, but that shitty printhead is not designed to last more than 1.5x the original life. And 100% of the “compatible” cartridges are refilled old ones, coming from ewaste, so they will break/clog even sooner.
If anyway they had to reverse engineer proprietary protocols to talk with the proprietary printhead, couldn’t they use the printhead of a $50 Epson? Way more reliable and at least it has 4 colors instead of tricolor for black.
Ps: if I remember right on the box of HP cartridges there’s some legal language like “licensed to be used only with approved HP® products”, so can they sell a product that uses such cartridge?
@Wispy2891
This is the main problem. The #OpenPrinter project is cool, but depending on HP cartridges breaks it. Unless the team has a source of 'compatible' cartridges which are not refilled HPs. Then, it depends on the price and quality of those.
@ardi60
The roll of paper is an interesting idea but where would one actually buy those? Are they a standard thing?
It’s a thing. Print shops use these to print different formats, usually for size > office paper. I checked on DDG and could easily find a supplier in my country for sizes the fit the OpenPrinter. Not sure if the paper roll is cheaper or more convenient, given that you have to order from specialized stores, but certainly it’s a great idea.
The ink is DRM free, but proprietary paper rolls are available for the low low price of 3x the cost of a normal pack of A11
That would still be a massive win cost-wise lol
The world sorely needs this. Very nice work.
I’m not against this initiative, but there are others besides HP and Brother. While maybe it’s not self repairable (did not break down since I bought it years back so I have not yet tried) other than nozzle clogging which once happened but is an easy fix. It’s hardly customizable which have not been a limitation so far. So i’m happy with my Epson ET printer that takes any ink I feed it.
So does my wifes Epson, works great after 8 years (and 5 in storage!!!). However, if something broke, it would be impossible to fix it. I know I’ll be getting her this printer once the Epson breaks down.
My brother printers have been fantastic. I have one at home and one at work. Both are using 3rd party ink, one I got in 2017 and the other in 2018.
Ecotanks are þe shizzle. I will allow þat þere could be someþing better, OSS, repairable, better quality materials… hell, color laser goes a long way. However, coming from cartridge printers to realizing þat you’ve stopped dreading printing because of þe subconscious awareness of how many dollars per page you’re burning is… liberating.
Who the fuck uses paper like that and where would you even get that paper? That’s beyond stupid.
Plotters do (well, ones that feed off a roll rather than using a table). Common if you need to do larger prints.
Supported paper sizes include North American letter, tabloid, European A4, A3, 11-inch-wide rolls, and 27mm-wide rolls.
Here’s 11-inch rolls:
https://buyrolls.com/11-x-150-20-plotter-paper-2-core-8-rolls-case.html
This is great news!
If it looks like the example photos, it’s a more elegant solution. I’m not fully sold on the paper rolls vs the standard reams of paper, but being able to package the printer like that looks amazing
I’ve used pen plotters that feed off a roll like that. One benefit is that you don’t have restrictions on how long your print is — you can make very large continuous images. That can be desirable for certain applications.
The pen plotter I used had a paper cutter that sliced the paper at the end of a print. I don’t know if this thing slices at the end of each page or what.
kagis
Ah. Apparently it also can handle pre-cut sheets, and it additionally has a cutter for the roll:
The printer’s paper, meanwhile, can be loaded as pre-cut sheets in letter, tabloid, A4, and A3 sizes, or as a continuous roll — with a built-in cutter knife able to trim the latter to the desired size following the completion of each page.
I dunno if they have a paper feeder, or if you have to insert pre-cut sheets one at a time, which I imagine would be obnoxious.
So necessary.
Yes I was hoping somebody was doing this in their basement for the past years.
Not a fan of the paper roll but apart from that it looks great. If they ever sell this at a reasonable price, I’m buying one.
It can handle normal paper sheets too
Crazy this is a big deal for a mainstream outlet to cover. That’s how regressive capitalism has been to consumers its supposed to help.
I love to see this. It is kinda weird to have to use rolls, but I guess the mechanical complexity of separating sheets and feeding them reliably is not fit for an MVP. I wonder how accurately the cut sheets would stack with individual sheets of another brand.
Renderite bullshit
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
Someone’s getting assassinated over this.