Submitted 2 months ago by jballs@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
Seriously, he’s words and actions have probably resulted in the deaths of others, why shouldn’t he have gotten this outcome?
The Republicans’ rubber stamp, and lack of a competent opposition, is proving to be an absolute nightmare for the party. They’re getting away with everything they ever wanted, and people are seeing the immediate consequences play out. When your policies start killing people, people literally fight back. You’ve given people nothing to lose, and this population is armed to the teeth. What did they think was going to happen?
You can’t declare war on a population, and then expect to walk freely in the open air among that population.
The Republicans getting everything they ever wanted will be what caused the party’s destruction. The Democrats helping them do it will destroy them, too.
There was a way around this that would have resulted in no deaths. Trump should been prosecuted for the January 6th insurrection. Then we should have put a bunch of fascists in jail for a long time. Then we should have de-platformed grifters.
But none of that happens so. We get what we get.
We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
It comes across to me as they simply lack empathy for other “kinds” of people. If you actually felt the same pain and empathy when watching the video of Kirk get merked, you should feel that a thousand times over when seeing a thousand videos of the IOF massacring children, many sniped in the same way Kirk got merked, and then you should look upon Kirk in disgust for supporting that and dehumanizing the Palestinian people. But the fact is these people don’t. They don’t see other “kinds” of people different from them as in fact “people.” Let’s be real, they don’t feel the same kind of empathy for Palestinian fathers dying as they do a white fascist dying. They constantly mock the deaths of minority groups like trans people. They suddenly have empathy and demand pacifism and valuing the sanctity of all life when a white fascist dies, but are silent in every other cas.e
His family shouldn’t expect empathy, and he wouldn’t want his death to distract from full Epstein file disclosure.
I expect the NRA will stage a gunshow at a nearby site someplace in the next few days, right? Its what they do for school shootings and this was at a school. So Kirk’s fam can stock up on cheap ammo.
Charlie Kirk wouldn’t have wanted you to feel any empathy for him or his family.
“I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics”
Assuming his kids are young enough, I’d feel bad for them. They probably don’t understand well enough.
His wife though I don’t care for at all, and will likely use his death for profit and to make her kids extremists. One can only hope they question why their father was hated enough to be killed while most people everyday aren’t.
If you’re part of a movement that’s taking vaccines away from babies, well, you’re evil and people are going to respond to that.
Well said. Claiming he simply died for his political beliefs is highly reductive and disingenuous.
materially supporting state violence
Dingdingdingdingding.
Here’s the winner, right here. Fascist fucks want to go around pretending that only billy clubs and bullets and bombs count as “violence.” Inflicting mass starvation on people, withholding medical care, stealing workers’ wages they depend upon to survive, and brutalizing minorities and marginalized groups (oftentimes with actual up front physical attacks) is “just doing business.”
So news flash to the chucklefucks: That’s not how it works. State sponsored violence is still violence, and so it follows the oppressed have a right to defend themselves. It sure sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, don’t it?
But it turns out there’s an easy way to defend yourself from that sort of thing. All you have to do is not be a hateful fuck whose policies and actions threaten the lives of others, nor their right to exist.
It’s bad to kill for political beliefs only if a fascist dies. Otherwise nobody will even know about anything.
See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you’re doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that’s the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What’s there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you’re saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they’ll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don’t understand is that when principles aren’t applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
It’s a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It’s fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain’t wasting a caring thought on him.
Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.
I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted to oblivion. I’m not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question… When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
@surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk "terrorize" anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.
I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of...and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.
He created a literal hitlist of professors, and convinced people that violence against trans people was a moral imperative.
He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:
Immediately before the shooting, Kirk was taking questions for an audience member about mass shootings and gun violence.
“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”
The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked
Then a single shot rang out.
Sounds like he was trying to push for taking away gun rights for trans people.
Sometimes in the future…
“Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?”
“Well… His final words were ‘Counting or not counting gang violence?’”
You dont, but we can pretend we’re laughing with rather than at him.
lol. lmao, even.
“Charlie Kirk proven wrong.”
Thoughts and prayers
Wikipedia editors already 'was’ed all his 'is’s 😂
Pretty sure Wikipedia has a single button that changes all present tense to past sense. Someone who’s more familiar with it correct me if I’m wrong though.
I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there’s a prominent death to be the first to change it.
Wouldn’t be surprised
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
Don’t worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it’s time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn’t prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don’t have long.
For a lot of us we can’t simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I’m not too optimistic.
I’m not intending to leave my country and let Nazis take over.
Careful sounds like your guard is slipping…
You should go off grid for a week and see what zombie apocalypse you’ve missed.
This guy basically had a twilight zone when he reconnect.
Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein...
Wow, i heard Trump orchestrated this to distract from the Epstien files.
Heard the same thing. Many people are saying it, very smart people! So maybe it’s true? I’m just asking questions!
This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this
Trump is a figurehead. Project 2025 was/is a massive plan that took years to lay out.
Do not delude yourself into thinking the Republican party is a cabal of idiots.
Wow, dude. He's your elected representative.
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn’t been there (which they were) they’d undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That’s a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence… it’s a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they’ll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn’t go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I’m sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they’re all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory…
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀
Every gun owner should watch the front row video of what guns do to a human body.
Great foreshadowing too.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan “Prove Me Wrong”.
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”
The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.
Then a single shot rang out.
pbs.org/…/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot…
It’s unfortunate that he’s ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he’d be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying “Prove Me Wrong” when he was killed with a gun.
Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn’t they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It’s TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
Aaaand this is how I found out. Good riddance!
“No Way to Stop This Happening” Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.
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I don’t really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least he’s willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.
It’s always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That’s not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That’s all. It’s definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.
Wasn’t sure where to post this since I’m not aware of a Lemmy equivalent of r/imgoingtohellforthis
When the real life is so absurd, the shitposts are kust posts. Anyway dude had it coming.
Thoughts and prayers, bitch
He died doing what he loved.
Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?
It’s my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
Why didn’t he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?
The man lived and died by his words.
The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it’s the Dems fault
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nah empathy is for the weak.
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Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. 😭
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
have empathy for his children, who didn’t ask to be born into this
and uh I guess that’s about it
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
No because you kjow he meant ‘except for me. Have empathy for me.’
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Eh, we can start tomorrow.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You know what else causes a lot of damage? Getting shot in your facist neck.
Deadsoldier69@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Now finish the quote
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I think all of his quotes are finished, now.
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
This is the full context of the quote for anyone curious like I was
rumble.com/v1nnu66-dont-believe-your-lying-eyes-e…
certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 month ago
TLDW. what would the difference between sympathy and empathy be?