I love me some Dance Dance Revolution, but I had no idea it was coming back
DDR4 costs soar as manufacturers pull the plug — panic buying and stockpiling impact DDR4 spot pricing as supply dwindles
Submitted 1 month ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ddr4-costs-soar-as-manufacturers-pull-the-plug
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SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Please tell me why…do we build castles in the sky…
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
[Darude - Sandstorm intensifies]
deviantfemboi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
i_O is lovely
jaykrown@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I wouldn’t waste any money on DDR4 at this point. The only excuse I could think of is if you have a motherboard that requires DDR4 and your current RAM is not working. Otherwise, get a motherboard that supports DDR5 and you’re good.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Which would also require a new CPU depending on the current setup. And rebuilding the whole PC just to upgrade the memory?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Get a new case, and fan, and maybe a liquid cooling setup too. And switch operating systems while you’re at it. Might as well upgrade to larger SSDs. And it’s a good opportunity to go down the mechanical keyboard rabbit hole as well.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Correct. Yes.
… But also with a lot of other perks and some downsides… if you are willing to consider a different paradigm for a pc build.
I say: Adapt, Improvise, Overcome.
I present to you…
… the Minisforum BD 795i SE.
store.minisforum.com/…/minisforum-motherboard
ITX Mobo + soldered on AMD 7945hx processor, outperforms by a significant margin any standard cpu+mobo combo you could get for the current price, which is under $400 pre tax.
So thats a mobo, AM4 cpu, that uses ddr5 sodimm ram.
Oh and you can just slot any ole normal GPU into its PCIe x16 v5.0 slot, its got two standard SSD M2 2280 gen 4 slots you can put your existing SSD(s) in.
There you go, for your consideration, there’s your upgrade/sidegrade path, or your framework for just a nee build, given that GPUs now basically cost as much or more than … everything else in a pc combined.
…
Pop out your old mobo, this thing is ITX so it’ll probably fit in your old case.
Grab 32gb (2x16) of 5200/5400/5600 sodimm ddr5 ram for roughly $90 to $110.
(You could go as high as 2x48gb = 96gb but frankly 95% of people will be a ok with 32gb)
Sell your now apparently appreciating in value standard form ddr4 ram.
Grab a noctua 120mm nf-f12 pwm fan for $20, slap that on the massive built in cpu heatspreader, you’re good to go.
Sell old cpu heatsink/fan or aio loop.
You may lose the ability to run… an extensive argb case fan setup without some finagling on that front, but who cares, you wont need all of them, this is a very energy and heat efficient cpu.
If you’ve got some kind of nest of internal archive HDDs, yeah, that may be a bit of a problem too, but realistically, not too many people do that, and you can put an internal HDD into a ~$20 enclosure and just turn it into an external hardrive, something like this:
Oh and also switching to this kind of paradigm, paired with say a non XT AMD 9070, this’ll do basically all gaming you could want at 1440p, and will almost certainly substantially lower your total setup power draw… if you’re maybe also worried about just general rising energy prices.
Which you probably should be.
You can also now consider just downsizing your rig’s case, and power supply, to a portable ITX form factor, or an mATX form factor, should the idea of your PC not weighing 60+ pounds appeal to you.
There are a good number of ITX cases that will fit most full size GPUs, some via a riser cable, some not even needing one.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 weeks ago
Yeah, when you want to upgrade your PC but the parts in your PC don’t support upgrading, you’ll have to replace those parts. Where’s the issue?
Sunshine@piefed.ca 5 weeks ago
Also get a motherboard made in Taiwan 🇹🇼
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
AMD is still putting out some AM4 CPUs just because it’s cheap for them to do so. They can run its chiplets off an old node, so no big deal. It’s still a halfway decent budget option, though that may change with DDR4 going out of manufacturing.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Yup, still happily running a DDR4 build and am considering upgrading to one of the 3D chips at some point.
x00z@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
A good reason for staying with DDR4 at this point in time is if you need faster boot times. DDR5 makes computers boot slower because it’s less stable and needs more work during POST to get stable.
In many cases it’s not a requirement though, and the speed improvements of DDR5 after boot outweigh the extra boot time.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
You mean memory training?
Thats only really an issue during first boots or after a reset due to FW updates (or you didnt turn off memory training after each boot).Gladaed@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Initial Training isn’t done on every start. Training only happens when you change the configuration.
sefra1@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Last time I did a simulation few months ago, DDR4 motherboards (and memory if I recal) were still considerably cheaper than DDR5.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I have a server on AM4 that is running fine, but the 16Gigs of ram are getting tight and I might need 32. All other aspects of the system are completely sufficient. Why should I get a new CPU and board?
Honzai@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I think that falls under the category of “RAM is not currently working”. If you need 32, 16GB isn’t working for you.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I thought this was about dance dance Revolution at first?
wuffah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It is, this is the latest version, Dance Dance Revolution 4: G.SKILL edition.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Came here to say “Wait, aren’t we on like Dance Dance Revolution 20?” DDR4 had some bangers, but shouldn’t affect the solar industry.
GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Shouldn’t be a problem for me - I plan to skip DDR4 and go straight to DDR5, or maybe what comes after, at some point. Still running 32GB DDR3 here.
victorz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What kind of speeds you get on that old DDR3?
GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I’m not sure - I don’t measure it. It’s in my home server running Linux. It does everything I want and is >90% idle most of the time - so it’s fast enough. And I just realized I lied in my original comment - my laptop has DDR4 RAM, but it’s already at max. capacity so I won’t have to worry about buying more.
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I am in the same boat. I am waiting for a CPU that properly handles more then 128gb of memory while not costing 5 grand.
victorz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What kind of tasks do you do that require over one hundred gigabytes of RAM? Just curious. Video editing?
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
Ha! its almost as if we have hit a point where the new stuff is not as good as the old. DD4 is really good, but now we will be forced into DD5 and all the shit CPU and boards that come with it.
Sunshine@piefed.ca 5 weeks ago
I hope 16 gigs is good for a while.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I have 64 and I have rarely ever used as much as 16.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I regularly use over 16-24GB of my 32 GB, and considering I just had to replace 4 8s with 2 16s, I’m honestly kinda tempted to get another pair just to have knowing the shit that’s coming down the pipe.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
you must have correctly moved on from Chrome
Sunshine@piefed.ca 5 weeks ago
That’s reassuring, gotta make sure I take care of mine. The pc market has been too messy the last few years.
Cort@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I also have 64, but I’ve seen up to 34 in use a couple times. I could have stayed with 48gb, but the timings/cas latency was much better on the 64gb kit, than running mismatched sizes across 4 slots
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
16 is minimum and 32 is recommended if you do much pc gaming, browsing, or torrenting. Things with multiple programs. A single browser and steam open. I regularly hit 16 to 20gb on mint and librewolf.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I have 8GB in my laptop running mint, its used for browsing, office work, 3D print slicing, and occasionally I torrent a file from it…it is absolutely no issue whatsoever and it never even breaks 4GB use unless it’s actively slicing a 3D model. 16GB minimum I can agree with for gaming, but for desktop use as mentioned above you can easily get by with less.
Hond@piefed.social 1 month ago
Aw man, i saw 32gb DDR4 for 50€ a few months ago. Now its at 90€.
Good thing is that i just dont need more ram right now.
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s about 50€/16GB over here in France. DDR5 goes for 75€ and upwards. Used is a bit cheaper, especially for the SODIMM.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Wow. I wonder how well that’ll work out, like stability, need to lower frequency…
RedIce25@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Did this also happen when DDR3 was phased out?
olympicyes@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It happens every time different types of ram are phased out. The price drops for a while until excess inventory is sold off and then prices increase due to scarcity. You wouldn’t see it with SSDs because new models tend to be backward compatible.
Hule@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think DDR3 only became more expensive than DDR4 when there were no new motherboards to support them.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
AI is speeding up the process of DDR4 if I am not wrong.
rimu@piefed.social 1 month ago
Can confirm. I got a quote a few weeks ago and then went to buy last week and they bumped up the price about 20%.
littleguy@lemmy.cif.su 5 weeks ago
Glad I saw the light and switched to a gaming laptop a few years ago.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I stopped using a computer and been only buying flagship phones for the past 8 years. you can’t beat my foresight.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This version of the article misses important information from the original source Trend Force who issued a report on DDR4 prices which news sites have been quoting.
In addition to the supply constraints mentioned, the original report also cited Trump’s tarrifs which alongside the manufacturing supply slump could cause panic buying in the US specifically. This is speculation but based on the possibility Trump could “issue new tariffs or restrictions related to production capacity against China. This, in turn, may trigger another round of panic buying,”
The original report was posted to twitter with “Tarriff fears may trigger further panic buying”
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Panic buying == the republicans’ idea of economic stimulus
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 weeks ago
Tariffs are irrelevant when manufacturing is ending.