Oooh, the second US civil war may still be on but not in the way we first thought.
Good news. :)
Submitted 3 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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saltesc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
pennomi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
When the US falls apart I strongly suspect the nation of Cascadia to form from these states
Sunshine@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
It’s a good way to keep out garbage ICE invasions from LA.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Great, provided there is some version of the Nuremberg Trials for Silicon Valley techbro nazis.
They are welcome to fix their hearts or die.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The problem… or complication with this…
Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will … counter-seceede.
Go look up the Greater Idaho project.
There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to … have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.
From a legal/constitutional perspective… this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.
Northern/Eastern CA will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of ‘Jackson’.
There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades
I’ve hastily cropped that image from this source:
brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/
So… yeah… if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came ‘too close’ to functionally doing that?
Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and ‘official’ state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap decide to do.
Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE… ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corp.
Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.
pennomi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh no doubt. Any kind of secession would be resolved with a civil war, and the final borders might not be recognizable.
ronigami@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How many people do you think live in Oregon?
The majority of Oregonians live in Portland metro area.
A similar stat can be found regarding Seattle metro, and Washington has more blue cities than OR.
redchert@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
Jackson
Lincoln, Jefferson or Liberty not jackson
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
When?
figjam@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
I did not have “Civil War over vaccines” on my apocalypse bingo card.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s literally a life-or-death matter.
figjam@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Yes, civil wars (or really any war) usually involves that sort of struggle. And also yes, vaccines save lives and are settled science.
spinne@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
2025 has had a lot of unexpected surprises!
figjam@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
still 3+ months of surprise left. So tired, so very tired
nocturne@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
They should probably just join back up with Old Mexico and take Colorado too so they are left out cold
Itd4n@ani.social 3 weeks ago
As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you’re at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.
And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn’t do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
If NM joined I’d move there in a heartbeat.
papertowels@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
NM is there in spirit!
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Isn’t that Cascadia?
lectricleopard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Usually, when people talk about Cascadia as a country, they include British Columbia.
rbos@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
God we have trouble enough with Toronto thinking it’s the centre of the world and ignoring BC. We’d have zero influence in Cascadia.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Technically, only a small section of California is part of the Cascadian region. But so is most of Idaho… And I think just about everybody would be happier if we made that trade.
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
geographically cascadia excludes socal and includes BC. it’s a different climate, ecosystem, etc
pyre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i love that the health guy looks like the most illnesses possible in one person
brown567@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
He’s just 16 preventable illnesses in a trenchcoat
ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Has anyone seen RFK Jr. and one of Nurgle’s Great Unclean Ones in the same room together? I don’t think so…
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
This is gold. I could see John Oliver or Jon Stewart saying this.
Republican Health Minister and sixteen-preventable-illnesses-in-a-trenchcoat, promising he’s a real boy, RFK Jr. said this week…
SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Many people are saying there is something wrong with his mitochondria.
jve@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well that can’t be good. That’s the power house of the cell!
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The deep dent in the side of his temple is the icing on the cake.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Meanwhile Florida has started to form toddler death Voltron by announcing they’re removing all vaccination requirements from schools.
I fully expect there to be a southern collation of Iron Lungs soon.
brem@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn’t been born yet.
Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
blinfabian@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
CASCADIA IS REALLLLLLLL!!!
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
smeenz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
I think a lighter blue or cyan at the top would make the tree more visible and better match the sky
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Say nothing more until you read this.
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Mom: We have Lebanon at home…
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Free Cascadia!
hperrin@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Maybe we should be our own country…
Please.
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cascadia Cascadia Cascadia! ! !
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hella stoked for the Pacific States of America.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
If those 3 leave the union, I think the country’s more or less done for.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m sure Canada could find a use for a few more provinces…
rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The agreed-upon future name is Cascadia.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
cascalifornian republic
oatscoop@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Illinois is down.
fubarx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Be a shame if they didn’t call it COW. Vaccinated so it doesn’t get Mad.
smeenz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
Vaca vacunada :)
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
We need to start withholding federal taxes.
gladflag@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
This looks scarily like a map from a dystopian movie. WSA - Western States of America.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Good first step. We can and should do more.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
With Florida ditching vaccine requirements it looks like the East Coast/West Coast feud is going to pick back up again.
Zonefive@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Shame Nevada turned more purple than blue last year else we could have joined them.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Just creating this division is proof RFK should resign. We knew he was an activaxxer and against science, but enforcing his personal opinion on the entire country is unforgivable. At-risk children, elderly, and others will die because of his bias…
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cascadia babeee!
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
You get more national guard!
You all get more national guard!
ClathrateG@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
American balkanisation when?
lena@gregtech.eu 3 weeks ago
I hope they secede from the Union
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why is it the westernmost states that are the most progressive?
“Progressive” being relative
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I love how many of us are so down for Cascadia. How do we get this in a vote?
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh cool. Canada future provinces helping each other out.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Another good day to live on the West Coast of the US I see.
Damn am I happy to live over here.
superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Huge shout out to Brian Tyler Cohen for his on the ball reporting of all the Trump bullshit
nucleative@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
States have always been able to do these things.
Perhaps there are a few other administrative tasks they should collaborate on as well…
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Now do this for every issue where the Feds are getting in the way.
Sunshine@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I think blue states should bring in all in-house solutions to cut the middleman White House out of it. States rights!
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We did that with CARB and now the feds are trying to stop it after decades of other states signing on because it worked so well here in Cali.
Shrubbery@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Air_Resources_Board
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
considering how california alone is like 14% or whatever of the US GDP, i’d say they should just tell the federal government to suck eggs
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
At the very least they need to hire these doctors and scientists that RFK Jr. fired so their wisdom and knowledge don’t go to waste!