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The people who want to take away your privacy use these tactics to make it feel OK because it’s “for a good cause”. You fell for it.
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Submitted 2 days ago by WaffleWarrior@lemmy.zip to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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shartworx@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Showing your ID at the store and sending a copy of your ID to an entity that will most likely not have the best cybersecurity are very different things.
Sure, many people are concerned about what you mentioned. But plenty of them are concerned that the idea that you have to give personally identifiable information to these companies is what’s the worst thing about these laws.
JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Quite frankly, I’m more concerned of the profile they would be able to build with all my interests (because ID will be extended to everything), and by the fact that small independent websites (or even Wikipedia!) may be banned.
But yeah, data leaks are concerning too.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 days ago
This is generally not the reason why people are against age verification laws. They’re against it because.
- Kids can find porn anyway, and they’ll just end up on shadier sites not regulated by your government.
- The potential for abuse for censorship, privacy violations, etc. is very high. This is already happening in the U.K. with an ID needed to view footage of police arresting protestors.
30p87@feddit.org 2 days ago
Which also shows one thing: Kids and teens want to watch it. So they will. And just as with substances as drugs, prohibition failed spectacularly. And just as with other drugs, education by school but especially parents is key. There’s no way around it, if you want to actually protect kids.
But actually, everything claiming to be ‘safety for children’ is just a way to push totalitarianism.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You sound an awful lot like a boot licker.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Conservatives: super worried that a 17yr old might see a nipple and be forever “corrupted”.
Also conservatives: let’s force small children to read and know by heart a book that has:
GENESIS
4:17 Cain marries his sister? 4:19 Man “took unto him 2 wives” 12:13-19 Man prostitutes wife 16:2-4 Wife to hubby: “go in unto my maid” 17:9-14 “Ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin” 19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels 19:30-38 “Righteous man” impregnates his 2 daughters while drunk 20:2-12 Man prostitutes wife again 20:12 Woman married to half-brother 22:24 Bible’s first “concubine” 24:2-3,9 Place your hand “under the thigh” (sexual organs) of someone swearing sacred oaths 25:1-6 Keeping mistresses is not adultery Ch. 29·30 Sordid tales of surrogate motherhood 30:3 Woman gives handmaid for hubby’s sexual use 30:9 More sordid marital triangles 32:25 God grabs Jacob’s testicles 34:1-31 Brothers are riled when sister is defiled 34:25 Circumcised men “were sore” 35:22 Man sleeps with father’s concubine 38:8-10 Onan’s method of birth control (withdrawal ejaculation) not approved 38:12-30 Woman “plays the harlot” to seduce father-in-law 39:7-20 Woman tries to rape man 47:29 Man ordered to place hand under father’s thigh
EXODUS 4:25 Mom cuts off son’s foreskin with (ouch!) stone 20:26 God specifies building of altar to prevent exposure to nakedness 21:7-11 Female servants can be used for sex 21:10 Rule permits polygamy 22:19 Death decreed for bestiality
LEVITICUS 12:1-8 Bible calls childbirth a sin 15:16-18 Sperm and intercourse are unclean 15:19-33 Menstruation unclean; elaborate rules 15:29-30 Women require sin offering for menstrual periods 18:22 Homosexuality declared an abomination 18:23 More bestiality 19:20-22 Man gets forgiven, slave girl gets flogging 20:10 Adulterers shall be put to death 20:13 Death decreed for homosexuals 20:15-16 Death decreed for bestiality (human & beast) 21:9 Burn whore-daughters of priests 26:29 Curse: Eat your sons and daughters
NUMBERS 5:11-31 Fidelity test (belly rot) for women only 25:1 “People began to commit whoredom” 25:4 “Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord” 25:6-8 Holy man impales woman through her belly 31:17-18 Virgins raped as war booty
DEUTERONOMY 21:10-14 God okays captured maidens as trial wives 22:5 Men’s clothing not to be worn by women & vice versa 22:13-21 A bride not a virgin must die 22:23-26 Virgin raped in city given no pity 22:28-29 Paying father to have sex with daughter 23:1 Man “wounded in the stones” (testicles) can’t enter congregation 23:2 Children born out of wedlock condemned as bastards to 1Oth generation 23:10-11 Nocturnal emissions discussed 23:12-14 Defecation: Carry paddle, dig hole, & cover up 25:5-10 Woman has sexual cause to spit in man’s face 25:11-12 A woman shall have her hand cut off for touching a man’s penis 28:27 Hemorrhoids (“emerods”) a punishment for sin 28:30 Lord’s curse: Another man shall lie with groom’s bride first 28:53-57 Curse: Eat your own body & children
JUDGES 3:20-22 Dagger in fat king’s gut gets “dirt” out 4:21-22 Hammer & nail murder by woman 8:30 Gideon had many wives, concubines Ch. 11 Virgin daughter sacrificed to God 14:20 Samson gives away wife to another man 16:1 Samson “went in unto” harlot 16:4-19 Biblical game of S & M 19:1-30 Woman raped and ruined by homosexuals 21:6-25 Amidst carnage virgins captured for wives
RUTH 3:6-9 To “hook” him as a husband, Ruth sleeps with Boaz. (4:9-10 Boaz buys Ruth)
I SAMUEL 1:5-11 Lord “shuts” & “opens” womb 2:8 ”The Lord … lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill” 2:22-23 Priests’ sons copulate at door of tabernacle 5:9-12 Philistines “smitten with emerods” (hemorrhoids) as punishment for stealing ark 6:1-5 To placate God, make golden hemorrhoids 18:25-27 200 foreskins gain David a king’s daughter 25:22,34 A subject never mentioned in sermons
II SAMUEL 3:7 Concubine hanky-panky 11:1-27 Uriah murdered so David can get his wife 12:11-12 Obscene performance to be viewed by all Israel 5:13 David had many wives, concubines Ch. 13 Amnon rapes his sister 16:20-22 Absalom rapes father’s concubines on rooftop 20:3 David imprisons concubines for above
I KINGS 1:1-4 Virgin as therapy for sick old man 3:16-28 2 “harlots” feud-sexist tale 11:1-10 Wise Solomon has wives and concubines galore, promiscuous with “many strange women” 14:10, 16:11, 21:21 A subject never mentioned in sermons
II KINGS 6:28-29 “So we boiled my son, and did eat him” 9:8 A subject never mentioned in sermons 9:30-37 Unspeakable assassination of Jezebel 23:7 Male houses of prostitution destroyed
I CHRONICLES 1:32-33 More concubines galore
II CHRONICLES 11:21 King had 18 wives & 60 concubines
ESTHER Ch.1-2 Sexual contest for new queen 1:11 Queen asked to “display” body for men
PSALMS 45:10-17 Wily seduction by promiscuous Solomon
PROVERBS 5:3 “Lips of strange woman” warning 7:5-27 Intemperate warnings of “strange” women 30:20 Adulteress “eateth, and wipeth her mouth”
SONG OF SOLOMON 5:4 Man touches woman’s “hole of the door” and “my bowels were moved for him” 8:8 Little sister has no breasts
ISAIAH 3:16 “the Lord will discover their secret parts” 9:20 Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm 14:21-22 Slaughter children for fathers’ iniquity 16:11 Bible boast: “My bowels shall sound like an harp” 36:12 Eating dung and drinking piss
JEREMIAH 16:4 Grievous, obscene deaths
LAMENTATIONS 2:19-20 Something to lament 4:10 Women boil children for food
EZEKIEL
4:12-15 God says: Eat bread defiled with dung 5:8-10 What’s for dinner? 8:2 Lord’s loins make guest appearance 16:15 Fornications pour out 16:36-37 Their “filthiness poured out … ” 23:1-40 Grisly tale related of two sisters who are whores 23:20 Sex organs and ejaculate of harlot’s lovers compared to asses & horses Ch. 24 Lord orders lewd “woman” boiled into “scum” 29:7-8 God performs bloody castration via a sword
HOSEA 1:2-11 God tells Hosea to take whore to wife 2:1-15 Complications ensue (lewdly described)
NAHUM 3:4-6 Lord: “I will discover thy skirts upon thy face”
MALACHI 2:1-4 Angry god will spread feces on your faces
MATTHEW 5:27-30 A man may lust, but it’s not just 5:31-32 Man can divorce wife for fornication 19:3-9 Man who divorces and remarries is adulterer 19:12 Castrate yourself for Jesus 22:24 Woman must marry dead husband’s brother
LUKE 2:21 Eight day old Jesus is circumcised
ACTS 8:38 Eunuch baptized 15:24 Circumcision is not commandment 16:3 Paul circumcises adult
ROMANS 1:26-32 Gay man and lesbians “worthy of death”
I CORINTHIANS 6:18-20 Abstain from extramarital sex 7:1-40 To be more holy, refrain from sex wholly 7:18-19 If you’re not circumcised, stay that way
GALATIANS 5:1-4 Paul speaks against circumcision
I TIMOTHY 3:2,12 More than one wife OK, except for bishop
REVELATION 17:1-16 A drunken whore is stripped, eaten and burned
Source ffrf.org/other-2/x-rated/
TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 2 days ago
We get it. You need only one example to prove your poin. The rest is just spamming. No one is going to read that shit.
dihutenosa@piefed.social 2 days ago
I sure did, and looked up some of the more intriguing references. There's a reason they call it "The good book"!
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Where’s II Samuel 3:14?
WaffleWarrior@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Ya I’m not sure what your issue is with the Bible or Christianity…but this wasnt really a thread to psychologically work through your hangups 🤨
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 days ago
“Shouldn’t,” you say? Sure – I agree with that. They also shouldn’t swear, ride a bike without a helmet, hit a friend, eat candy, or stay up all night playing video games. But they’re going to, and there’s only so much you can do before the “fix” becomes worse than the problem.
Most of us did those things as kids and we mostly turned out fine. The world’s a messy place and it always will be. This is just yet another moral panic that’ll just create further problems rather than solving them.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Well said, this is it.
Sometimes the cure is worse than the poison.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t agree children shouldn’t be watching porn. I started being exposed to it around 10 years old and I’m fine. The real issue is having the proper support structures in place. These involve confronting children’s burgeoning sexual impulses and treating them with respect, rather than trying to “preserve innocence” or “protect” them from “sin” or “indecency.” The people most concerned with protecting children from the indecency of pornography are typically the more deprived of our society anyway. As usual, the issue is more preparing children for adult topics rather than protecting them from them.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
kids shouldn't die at schools by guns
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 days ago
I honestly don’t care if kids watch porn.
ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It IS the parent’s sole responsibility. It’s not a perfect world is not an excuse to pass parental responsibility on others, nor is it an excuse to invade the privacy and usage of others.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Porn is different for many reasons, chief among them being that the age verification laws don’t actually keep kids from accessing it. On top of that, porn is something that most people are embarrassed about accessing for a wide variety of reasons, and for them any requirement that they make available proof that they did so is equivalent to a legal ban on accessing that perfectly legal material.
e0qdk@reddthat.com 2 days ago
Fuck no, I don’t agree with that at all. People mature at different rates, and the main reason IMO not to show sexual content to very little kids is that they literally don’t have the capability to understand it having not yet hit puberty. If you’re old enough to be interested in sexuality, you’re old enough that you’re going to start trying to explore it… and it’s a hell of a lot safer to explore it through media than through doing things IRL. I don’t think there’s anything particularly harmful about a ~13+ year old searching for boobs or dicks if they’re interested and want to see them; I did it myself. I may have gotten a few weird ideas about sex from seeing porn online when I was a teenager – that took me a couple years to sort through while growing up – but I never got an STD or got anyone pregnant from looking at porn!
I reached the point of being interested in sexuality around 9th grade – and I seemed to be on the late side compared to my peers based on things I heard from them in 7th and 8th grade. As far as I can recall, the first time I encountered something explicitly sexual was in a novel I found at a library when I was in 6th grade; I was more traumatized by the taboo around sexuality than anything in the book itself (which was a fairly tame sexual fantasy that the main character had involving comparing a girl’s breasts to fruit of various sizes, IIRC). I was not ready for that content yet, and that led to me having a formative conversation with my dad about the subject – i.e. it was ultimately a positive experience for me growing up, even though I was briefly uncomfortable for a bit while I was going through it. When I was a teenager, I was ready to deal with it and sought it out on my own. Speaking as someone who grew up in the goatse/lemonparty/tubgirl era of the internet, if I ran into something that was too extreme, I backed off and said “yeah, that ain’t for me!” I don’t think I would’ve turned out better if I’d been locked out of it.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 days ago
A few issues I have with that:
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Who decides what is “adult content?” Sure, today it’s boobies and penetration, but a year from now it’s Michelangelo’s David and Botticelli‘s Birth of Venus. A few years later it’s any text containing anything but male-female couples, and then anything that criticizes The State. Once you open the door to internet censorship, you won’t shut it again.
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How will they ensure anonymity while still establishing viable age verification? If I have to give personal identifiable information to establish my age, then they will forever be able to track me - see what sites I visit, what I read, what I buy, who I communicate with. The internet suddenly becomes a lot less accessible when I know I’m being followed everywhere I go online.
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Not all sites will be able to age-verify, and they will be able to stop all the sites which don’t. Suddenly all the seedier, less reputable, more dangerous, and darker sites get more attention. The cultural impact that could cause would be horrifying (hell, how much influence did 4-Chan have in making trump appealing to certain demographics?) Sure, governments can play “whack-a-mole” all the live-long day, crushing those sites, but they’ll just pop back up, or more like it.
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Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
You need a reality check. You’re on the Internet. We can’t all agree on anything.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
So, your approach is authoritarian. Let’s just ban everything we don’t want to happen. Problem is that doesn’t ever work. Kids will learn tech better than you and will get around every wall you try to put up. Instead, parents can build trust with their kids so the kids will come to them when they inevitably see horrible stuff. You don’t have to venture to the dark corners of the web to find horrible stuff kids shouldn’t see; it’s available on any front page.
Mora@pawb.social 2 days ago
Because I have not seen it mentioned yet: the classification of porn and non-porn is often rather arbitrary on these systems, which leads to overblocking usually in the LGBTQ area. So while porn may be reduced (but not really because there always is more porn) it leads to blocking of educational material of a vulnerable minority.
That being said: if teens are interested in porn they will get it. These puritanical views of humanity are honestly naive.
DrBob@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
If we can agree that children shouldn’t see beatings, torture, and murder, then sure.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yet another case of “kids aren’t allowed to do something I did.” Now you want to pull the ladder up behind you.
The_Helmet_Stays_On@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
So because there are some shitty parents and are tech illiterate everyone should give up their privacy to prevent kids from seeing something they might be doing in a few years anyways? While it is just for blocking kids from seeing porn what’s next? Needing to age verify when I am buying groceries, wanting to read an article or hell just to access the internet.
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
If they wanna try to verify my age, they can just check the age of my Google account. I made my Google account back in 2004, my account alone is old enough to drink alcohol.
I respect the intent of ‘protect the kids’ and all, but they shouldn’t need anymore information from me, the age of my account alone proves I’m old enough. Also, I don’t have any kids.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 days ago
I don’t agree at all. Consuming porn is part of growing up. And there will be plenty of sites that won’t implement any age restrictions. But those will be in the shadier side.
That’s why I’m glad to live in a country that produced porn with my public broadcasting fees. lustery.com/…/erster-oeffentlich-gefoerderter-por…
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 2 days ago
We can all agree kids shouldn’t be watching porn. We do not agree on how to achieve this.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Can we all agree Republicans and the Evangelical Christians shouldn’t be fucking children?
The list is too long to publish at this point. If you vote R, you are for child fucking, and protecting the child fuckers.
regdog@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Disingenuous take on internet censorship.
JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I’m more worried by idiots accessing internet because clearly it isn’t a tool for everyone. Instead of an ID, there should be a captcha to measure the users intelligence and culture to keep out the fools without reasoning capabilities.
Kids always found ways to satisfy their curiosity when nature brings them there, even before internet. These laws are 100% attempts to impose control and surveillance with the excuse of “protecting the innocents”.
By the way: in my scale of things that kids shouldn’t see, porn comes after violence, misinformation, political extremism (both sides), racism, homophobia, and religion. I find absurd that none of them is even on the table… maybe because the pro-id people tend to be fascists with racist and homophobic views and an head full of BS and fear for God.
TheV2@programming.dev 2 days ago
I disagree. Porn, just like attitude era wrestling and splatter horror games, are precisely targeted at teenagers.
Should they be addicted to porn? No, neither should adults be. Is porn content moderated enough across the internet? No, regardless who watches it.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
and let's be real there's not an epidemic of kids watching porn; that's just a cover to block queer and lgbtq friendly spaces
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
Can we all agree kids shouldn’t be watching Porn?
Not even the US Supreme Court agrees with you.
constitutional interpretation has consistently recognized that the parents’ claim to authority in their own household to direct the rearing of their children is basic in the structure of our society
They argue parents should be free to show porn magazines to children
Moreover, the prohibition against sales to minors does not bar parents who so desire from purchasing the magazines for their children.
And this
p*ornhub
Seriously?
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
I think it’s more possible you and the pro- movement are catastrophizing the effects of porn than the claim we might be catastrophizing the potential effects of the bill.
We all grew up with access to porn. Whether that be nudie magazines that were somehow always found in the woods, or dial up Internet porn—hell, we all had access to rotten.com. That shit was far more scarring than any porn I ever found.
Whether the abuse of these censorship powers actually turn out to be as bad as we all imagine, or whether it’s the next tiny step toward censorship, or the one after that…the point is that these are all freedoms we shouldn’t be fine giving up. We shouldn’t be taking steps down this road no matter if this is the straw or the next will be the one to break the camel’s back.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Should anyone be watching porn? Disclosure: I watch porn.
jeffw@lemmy.world 2 days ago
But the thing is, there are ways that don’t involve handing over your ID to porn sites.
“I have this great idea but I’m gonna execute it terribly and infringe on your rights” is a classic excuse
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 days ago
Actually, it’s more of “I’m gonna execute it terribly and infringe on your rights, and I have this great idea on how to get you go along with it”
JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
They do it right, it’s just that the goal is not to protect the kids but identify the adults.