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Every female Democrat presidential nominee has resulted in a Donald Trump presidency

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨haloduder@thelemmy.club⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Stern@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We can’t rule out that VP candidate’s named Tim are the issue. Hillary had Tim Kaine and lost, Biden had Kamala and won, Kamala had Tim Walz and lost.

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      • Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Is that why they paved it over? In case he ever gets in?

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      • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Now we need Tim Walz saying “I warned you, but did you listen nooo”.

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    • Dragomus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I still have a gut feeling that if they had given Tim Walz a timely nomination for president he would have fared a lot better…

      Ofcourse there still would have been vote manipulation and fraud, somehow resulting in a reelection of orange trump, perhaps even a mysterious landslide victory in NY and California.

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      • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What they needed is a new candidate who wasn’t tied so closely to Biden plus lots of time for PR.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Honestly I think the biggest issue was Biden. He did a series of fumbles and she ended up being caught in the same light. Also do to the short timeframe she ran I suspect many people just didn’t have enough time to get to know her as a candidate.

      Her appeal seemed to come from not being Trump. That works for the strong Democrat voters but isn’t quite enough for swing voters as shown by the election results.

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      • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If the voters would have had more time to get to know her she would have lost by more.

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    • Bgugi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A Tim has NEVER won the vice presidency

      It’s his turn!

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      • lemmyknow@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Coming this summer, to a movie theater near you: “Tim and Eric: The Presidency”

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s more coicindence than causation tho…

    Like, what’s more important than that is they were both:

    1. Historically unpopular within their own party

    2. Backing policy significantly to the right of the Dem voting base.

    3. So little charisma it was basically a negative

    4. Bought and paid for by the wealthy

    5. Openly antagonistic to anyone who didn’t only say positive things

    6. Redfused to even open a dialog with the left, and a willingness to pre-emptively acquiesce to demands from the right.

    Bonus:

    Bill and Hillary ran as a “two for one” so she was seen as a continuation of Bill. And Kamala couldn’t stop saying she’d do everything the same way as Biden. They made themselves in “establishment candidates” when the only party that’s every worked for was Republicans. To make matters worse, trump was still running as anti-establishment and people were falling for it.

    The only good time to be an “establishment candidate” does well is when the average American already has a good life…

    That hasnt been true in a while, the majority of voters these days weren’t an adult the last time shit was ok. It’ll take a generation before the next “establishment candidate” has a shit, because it’ll take that long for people to trust the establishment again, even if we hit the ground running in 2028 and start fixing shit day 1.

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So you’re saying it’s a coincidence that America still has only ever elected men to the presidency? That there’s no resistance in culture or the voting public? It’s just happenstance.

      If there were two democratic contenders for leadership in 2028 a man and a woman… and Trump has wrangled a way to run again (and the populus/scotus is letting that happen) - you’d think they’ve got an equal chance?

      …even though Trump’s track record is that he’s defeated two dem women (Hillary and Harris), and been beaten by one dem man (Biden)?

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      • ArgentRaven@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would be happy if the nominee was AOC (it won’t be), but if they chose Nancy Pelosi I would be upset. One is actively fighting the establishment, and the other IS the establishment.

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    • LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Plus Kamala was a switcheroo not long before voting time. It at best made the party look weak. At best.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve heard some Democrats think that she is actually a too far left. I think it all boils down to her not making her position on various things very clear.

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    • Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Currently charting “The Establishment”. I’ve broken it down into 5 branches: Finance, Military-Industrial-Intelligence, Narrative, Political, and Social. The CGI and the Clinton Foundation are masterclasses in influence peddling and prestige laundering, representing key nodes in “The Establishment” Finance, Political, and Social branches. The broad view I’m getting is that The Establishment is a rather small, but very rich and influential, criminal enterprise which has, since the late 1800’s, been consolidating money and power - basically robbed us all blind and built an army to protect the spoils.

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      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Holy shit …

        You think a small amount of the wealthiest people control everything because they’re greedy and want more wealth!!!

        How oh how did you ever manage to discover that in your “charting”?

        You must share your knowledge with the world, no one else has ever had such a unique and insightful thought as:

        The rich run shit, and they’re criminal assholes

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  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    You’re ignoring that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, a fact that people who cry ‘misogyny’ also tend to ignore.

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That was the election that Trump talked about grabbing women by the pussy, and still ended up President, right?

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      • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yup

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      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, and that actually works against the point you think you’re making, because the female candidate received more votes.

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    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, unfortunately it was to close, as clearly she still didn’t win enough states. Not that I want Hillary to be president, but if she had one we would have never had Trump at least. The entire supreme Court would look different, and who knows what things would look like now.

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      • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        who knows

        Better. We know they would look better. We could have elected a dryer with a magic 8-ball inside of it and done better.

        His mismanagement of covid alone is damning.

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      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I despise the Clinton’s, and I’m not convinced things would be significantly improved, having watched Obama and Biden enthusiastically embrace fascism and genocide.

        But the point remains: can’t really claim misogyny for Clinton losing the election when she received more votes than Donald.

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    • Burninator05@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t forget that while Harris didnt win the popular vote, neither did Trump.

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      • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He didn’t win a plurality, but he did win the popular vote (which doesn’t need to be >50%).

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    • frischkaesbagett@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      people who cry ‘misogyny’ Who are you talking about and how do you know how “they” react to that argument?

      People who cry about

      people who cry ‘misogyny’ usually don’t write arguments that people talking about misogyny don’t agree to. But what they do, is being a special snowflake “I am not a feminist because they…”. That is a way of downtalking the feminist movement.

      “We cannot all succeed when half of us are held back.” -Malala Yousafzai

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      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That is a way of downtalking the feminist movement.

        Totally, me making a correct point contrary to OP is downtalking the feminist movement.

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  • BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The year is 2080. He’s been dead for decades. Jane Smith is running for president. He emerges from the grave.

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    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fuck Jane Smith. All she does is apply to centrists and drag down our traditions. People who haven’t gone outside in 5 years is unnatural and she shouldn’t be promoting staying inside being fine because of social anxieties and light afflictions that rampage our society. KDrops are flooding through our borders and people are overdosing left and right. Our kids stand no chance and assisted suicide are up 150% in the last ten years. We need to take off our hololens, put these lazy people who have never held real jobs to work and vote in someone sensible like Donald Trump. Have you even looked at our borders recently! It’s an invasion, the extrimst left has allowed non-whites back into the country. When I grew up we all had to work 60 hours weeks, we need to make busy labor jobs and force them to do them so they grow up properly. I know he’s just a head in a jar, but he still can ramble on about racist nonsense all day, I say he’s our best hope.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yawn, more neoliberal apologia. It must be misogyny because it couldn’t possibly be their complete and utter disregard for the working class, right? 🙄

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d say it’s both.

      Joe Biden didn’t care any more about the working class than hillary or kamala. They are all the same person, as far as the presidency is concerned.

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Biden squeaked by while Trump was right in the middle of catastrophically fucking up the pandemic response. The notion that his gender had anything to do with his win is nothing but historical revisionism.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Then their gender shouldn’t matter if we all understand they’re functionally the same and had a significant chance of losing anyways.

        Blaming it on misogyny is exactly how Democrats ended up running the EXACT SAME cmapaign they already lost on against Turnip…

        The blame is SOLELY on the DNC for offering nothing but vapid, “we’re not Trump” to the electorate. Period. They’re pathetic, willfully ignorant losers, and you’re choosing to join them in that ignorance by putting any of it on misogyny.

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      • crusa187@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The only reason Biden was able to eke out his narrow win was because we were in the midst of Trump’s utter failure to deal with Covid pandemic when the election happened. His promise to donors at the time was that “nothing would fundamentally change”. One of his few promises kept, it almost cost him the election because the non-incumbent candidate promising no change is virtually political suicide.

        Kamala attempted to make a similar promise to her donors, and the country is now paying dearly for it.

        The corrupt DNC are part of the problem, so yes, naturally lead to horrible outcomes like Trump presidencies.

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  • Quilotoa@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not a huge sample pool.

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  • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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    • iz_ok@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are they or did they just run extremely poor candidates? Clinton had a ton of baggage and the DNC steam rolled her into the position.

      Harris wasn’t a popular choice in the primaries for the 2020 election either. In 2024 it seemed like she could have one but the people of the United States somehow thought she was inept. Possibly do to the severe lack of reporting on her throughout the Biden presidency. They had no intention of her running, so they did nothing to help her until the last four months of the race.

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    • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it’s misogynistic to claim that they couldn’t win just because they were women. You’re infantilizing them and making it all about their gender while ignoring the mountains of evidence showing that they both ran terrible campaigns.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So you’re saying there was nothing wrong with Clinton or Harris or their campaign? You’re saying they lost only because they’re women, and everything else was perfect?

      You’re ignoring every political reason they lost and will thusly learn NOTHING from this. Congratulations on deciding to be a complete failure.

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    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Amazing how many American “progressives” are pretending this isn’t the case.

      Them denying that the cultural misogyny exists (in favor of the idea that “we solved all that, we’re past it now”) - is itself a deeply misogynist thing to do.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pretending it was the case is pretending there was nothing wrong with Clinton or Harris or their campaigns. To say it was all misogyny is a pathetic EXCUSE of a thought. A thought-terminating cliche. Something a shallow minded buffoon would believe. Why do you want to defend idiotry and the Democrats who are a conservative political party? Are you a conservative? Do you want to preserve the current power structures? Because that’s exactly what you do with these brainless excuses.

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      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean I honestly don’t know how anyone can argue that a country that elects a rapist and pedophile twice instead of just about any woman isn’t culturally misogynistic.

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      • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If be are being honest it probably didn’t help her win support. I wouldn’t be surprised if people were sexist without realizing it.

        I don’t think it was a the sole reason she lost though. Americans aren’t that bad.

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    • LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That was definitely part of it

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  • NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Misogyny in action

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    • TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty significant confounding variable between the both of them though. With Clinton and Harris being dogshit candidates, it’s hard to say how much of their loss was due to misogyny

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      • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They were both Joe Biden with a vagina.

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    • haloduder@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, it’s a well-known fact among historians that people tend to be more accepting of differences in race than differences in sex.

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      • Sergio@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do you have a reference, or an essay that provides an overview of that? I’ve heard it before (and am willing to believe that it’s true) but it’s kind of a hard thing to look up on google scholar.

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  • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think Hillary Clinton was the first woman to run for president, but I don’t wanna invalidate your shower thought.

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    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Victoria Woodhull, 1872’ election.

      Kinda crazy because women didn’t get the right to vote till the 19th amendment (1920).

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      1972:

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm

      But to be honest I only knew that because of RA the Rugged man:

      Reagan was the Pres’, but I voted for Shirley Chisholm

      Did you understand that lyric? You’re too young, of course you didn’t, c’mon

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnBSmjDEVVQ

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  • nukeforyou2@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It doesnt help that Trump is rigging the polls in PA and probably other states to win the election

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  • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And they all had running mates named Tim. I blame Tim.

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  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    women’s suffrage was won out in the US in 1922.

    100 years later we are somehow back in 1877

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  • Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Flip it. Donald Trump has been beaten a man in an election.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gee what an original observation

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  • nocturne@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Was Kamala Harris actually the nominee?

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  • teft@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_United_States_presidential_and_vice_presidential_candidates

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  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No it hasn’t.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Click

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