I wish there was an uninhabited, autonomous zone for folks who want "freedom" to play out their dangerous ideas away from the rest of society

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨macncheese@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

I know it never could or would work, but every so often I wish there was some imaginary huge tract of land that nobody had owned before…and I guess somehow didn’t affect the environment for all the assholes that want to play power games or pretend they could rule the world or just live lawlessly so they could be silo’ed off from society. Of course it would fall apart, innocent people would somehow end up in there. They’d probably end up attacking the rest of the world and I’m sure a myriad of other terrible problems. But man that’d be nice.

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ileftreddit@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
That’s just called the USA

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Nah but I’m stuck here., womp womp. I want a place people voluntarily go into. This is not based in reality lol. As I’ve gotten older and learned more about history, I realized what a cursed nation we are though…
  
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  - agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    As soon as people start having kids l, you’re back to square one
    
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Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Sorry, you’re born too late. You would have loved 19th century colonialism. As long as you could get over the “uninhabited” part of course.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Everybody is assuming I want to take part in this. I want an imaginary zone for all the assholes to go to…
  
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  - yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Ive had similar thoughts about racially pure islands. Everyone’s happy. The race-supremacy people get to live among their own and the rest of us are free from their bullshit.
    
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  - INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    This is it 👍
    
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- A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Even more adventurous and lawless and dangerous in earlier centuries.
  
  As long as you could get over the “uninhabited” part of course.
  
  They sure did back then, easy as pie.
  
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Yes. Somalia has 1,900 miles of coastline, a government that knows its place, and all the guns and wives you can afford to buy. Why have I never heard of this paradise before?

-Pierce Hawthorne

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Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I imagine it becoming a haven for profitable vices like drugs, gambling and prostitutes to make money off tourists.

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- Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So you're saying someone would make their own country, with blackjack and hookers?
  
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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Sure. And in my imaginary head canon that is fine and everyone assumes the risk of going into that zone. Once again…this would never work.
  
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- doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So, Nevada?
  
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  - Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    MDMA legalised there?
    
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NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Pink Floyd - The Fletcher Memorial Home: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDzR2zSgsM

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Huh I’ve never seen this!
  
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- HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Spot on. Never seen that one before
  
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Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You should watch Westworld! It’s basically what you describe.

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Part4@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What a bunch of selfish twats!
  
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Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
That was essentially why the US was founded.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  But alas we were also assholes the whole time…
  
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TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Honestly I’m more wishing the opposite was possible. Imagine a utopia to test out, UBI, communism etc… somewhere that capitalists aren’t going to sabatoge and declare war on it while it’s in it’s infancy.

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- AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Danish countries.
  
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  - Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I guess by “Danish countries” you mean scandinavia (Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland)? Then i regrettably have to inform you, that they are just slightly less horrendously capitalistic. Compared to the USA they probably seem like star trek though, so i get the sentiment.
    
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scytale@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It would be easier to somehow trick those people into a matrix-style virtual reality where it's literally the same as the current world at the point where they enter (so they don't realize). Then they can act out whatever they want to do as they do in the real world with all the consequences, but instead affecting nothing in reality.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So we trick the red pilled into taking the blue pills…
  
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svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Have you heard about what happened when libertarians took over Grafton, NH?

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Ha that was a fascinating read. I guess bears are libertarian as well!
  
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NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Are you talking about Rapture from BioShock?

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falidorn@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You might want to read Neuromancer to find out why that’s a terrible idea. If it’s in a cyberpunk world, it’s almost assuredly a giant red flag the author is waving.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To be clear, I don’t want to go to this autonomous zone. I want others to go do their weird shit there ha. But yea I’ll have to read Neuromancer, have heard it’s a good read.
  
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  - falidorn@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s not about living there. The zone still allows for the rich and powerful to exploit people and profit immensely off of it. The world would be no prettier because your autonomous zone; that area would just be filthier.
    
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ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You might be interested in the history of Kowloon Walled City after WW2

As a result of the absence of any widely recognized bureaucracy, the city’s residents and businesses had no municipal codes to govern them. Enabled by the enclave’s anarchic nature, trade in banned products thrived, ranging from narcotics to dog meat. From the 1950s to the 1970s, it was controlled by local triad gangs and had high rates of prostitution, gambling, and drug abuse.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yea that place sounds nuts. My mom was for a time from Kowloon, not the walled city but I’m guessing around the same time it operated which is wild to imagine.
  
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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Would you kindly make Rapture a real place?

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HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
*See Australia, Taiwan, U.S.A., Japan

Society used to exile people, send them to penal colonies or some people that felt ostracized packed up and left Society. Where? To some of the grea open uninhabited or not so habitatated lands. Taking U.S.A. as an example, there where religious extremists who became unwelcome in Britain, so they left to a place they could practice thier beliefs without competition, America.

Every Society worked better because you didn’t need to imprison or kill people that where criminals and people that where ostracized somewhat had the option of making thier own land. Now every single piece of land is claimed there is nowhere to exile people and no where to just run to.

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- Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And see how that worked out
  
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- mogranja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There is still Antarctica
  
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  - HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Fair, can we start a Make Antarctica Great Agian and encourage some people to move to a “greener” pasture?
    
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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
sounds like the purge.

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Wigners_friend@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It wouldn't work. They want to force you to live by their lunacy. It would be totally pointless if they couldn't exert power over the unwilling.

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- realitista@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Of course it wouldn’t work. That’s the whole point. But I say we just ship them there whether they want to go or not.
  
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  - macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Thank you. You get it. We’re not assuming the rules of the world we live in. I’m just fantasizing a simple solution to a complex problem and pretending the problem would be solved ha. (Yes yes I know the problems continue…)
    
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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yea, in the real world I guess we’re stuck with these bastards. What a bunch of bastards!
  
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SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Unfortunately they're probably not stupid enough to all fuck off to Mars soon…

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oooh how I wish I could convince all those space obsessed oligarchs to expand civilization over there…
  
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NerdyPopRocks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I thought you said Autozone and I was excited that someone else was also enthusiastic about a do-it-yourself auto repair shop

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Fuck it, I’ll take an autonomous AutoZone!
  
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Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How about a boat in international waters?

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- A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  A lá Thiel
  
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Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
That sounds like you want to deport people

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4am@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Are we just Curtis Yarvin-posting now?

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No I hate that guy. I don’t want any part of this, I want the Yarvins to fuck off somewhere else
  
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BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Afghanistan exists.

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devolution@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There is. It’s called Detroit.

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YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Walkaways” is a good piece of fiction about this

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Ooh interesting. Is it by Cory Doctorow?
  
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  - YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I misread. Walkaways is about autonomous communities apart from capitalist society. They walk away from it. But the dangerous stuff isn’t part of the book. But it is a very good book.
    
    Yes it is by Doctorow.
    
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Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you were to write an isekai anime for this, it seems like this might be wildly popular in a The Boys kind of way

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lemmyng@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Westworld explored that idea. It doesn't end well.

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- macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m not saying it would end well, in fact I know it would be a disaster lol. I stopped watching Westworld after two seasons and was trying to come up with a joke about how it doesn’t end well…it jumped the shark or some corny joke ha. Anyway did the show actually have a conclusion and is it worth watching to the end?
  
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  - lemmyng@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It ended up on a cliffhanger. If season 2 made you give up then the rest will likely not be your cup of tea either.
    
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macncheese@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I think I should clarify that I have no interest in participating in this zone. The reality is we live in a world of monsters and I unrealistically wish there was somewhere else they could go and do their evil and leave us be.

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Etterra@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s called “International Waters” and we need to ship them all there. If we want to be generous we can give them rowboats.

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