Seriosly, why?
Too many influential and very rich on there most likely. Among all the Republicans probably also a few democrats because we know there are quite a few assholes among those too.
Why democrats under Biden administration didn't release Epstein files?
Submitted 8 months ago by itisileclerk@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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SunshineJogger@feddit.org 8 months ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 months ago
too much powerful people on the list: Hollywood moguls/execs, World leaders(people like belerscuni, eventhough hes been caught already), DEM/GOP mega donors, plus the politicians themselves. RFK jr too, since theres a photo out there him interacting with epstein in 1994
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because people on all sides are probably listed.
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why isn’t Trump and the Republican Party doing it now?
ReiRose@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because they’re assholes.
Oh, you mean dems are assholes too…?
Are you one of those ‘both parties are the same’ folks?
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s not just because they’re assholes, it’s because a significant portion of them are also pedophiles. Pedos protecting pedos.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I think you missed the point.
Trump won’t release them because his name (and others in the GOP) is all over it and he could be facing actual prison time.
The Democrats didn’t because…well, we know that Clinton at least was involved with Epstein. I’m sure many others were as well.
Besides which, other powerful people outside of politics are likely to have put strong pressure on the US to keep them locked up (e.g. Prince Andrew).
The problem isn’t one party or the other, and it’s not that “all parties are the same,” but in this particular case it IS almost guaranteed that too many people are named and shamed for any group in power to release them.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because they are the other side of the same coin as Republicans. Neither side wanna help us much. One side actively trying to make it worse for us while the other one is happy we are living shit but don’t want it worse.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
why would they? they have nothing to gain by doing so, and biden didnt run on it.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
- donors
- Bill Clinton
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Because the files vaguely implicate a lot of influential oligarchs who donate to both sides.
We know Trump hung out with Epstein, there are pictures and testimony. It simply doesn’t move the needle away from the right. He’s just buying trouble.
gdamn thing should have been in the public from day one.
Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 8 months ago
Okay. Let me give a sane outsider take.
First thing you have to understand is that there is a big disconnect between the conviction of Epstein and the influential connections he had. All the conspiracy talk about the island being a childporn hub for elites is nothing more than that: conspiracy fantasy. His suicide fueled many more ideas about the elite killing him, but again no evidence at all.
However, there is a strong public pressure to research the connections between Epstein and the elites he knew. This has most likely been done in the background, since Epstein did shady finances. But Trump has campaigned heavily on the popular sentiment. And it lives in the minds of people a solution to lock up all the elites/draining the swamp.
So now there is a big problem for the maga populists, there is a ‘list’ of connections to epstein. But there is no further evidence (yet) that those people did anything illegal, or is entirely complicated financial crime. The list probably includes just about the entire political spectrum includes donors and includes Trump. So everybody wants to handle this the correct way, including those donors. Nobody wants their name public because they spoke to a shady financial advisor. And any case against a super wealthy person needs to be watertight, they can afford a legal team.
Is it possible that there was deeper predatory connections? sure. Epstein had easy access and no question that he was willing to share. Is that going to be written down in a list? absolutely not. Epstein did finances the shady way and that’s more likely the reason so many rich people were interested in his business.
So this isnt a political issue. Of course, now it is. But that’s because Trump made it one.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Because spineless Establishment Dems have some obsession with “playing nice,” even with vicious MAGA Nazi enemies. I have a million questions, starting with:
Why didn’t Biden have HitlerPig and his henchmen arrested within the first 60 seconds after his Inauguration?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because spineless Establishment Dems have some obsession with "playing
niceinsider tradingFtfy.
The Dem party is known as the party of insider trading after all!
specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I think it’s important to remember that Biden was, perhaps more than any president in my lifetime (and I’m an old man), an institutionalist. He was a senator for just about forever, then the VP for 8 years. He was 78 years old when he became president. He is an old school liberal Catholic, a very nearly extinct person in the Catholic and Christian spheres.
I think he saw his presidency as a repudiation of right wing reactionary politics. His election, in his mind, was in large part a call to what he saw as the original intent and purpose of the executive branch. To put it plainly, he saw himself as elected because America rejected the politicization of government under Trump. Included under that umbrella of beliefs about the purpose of the executive was the unalienable requirement that the executive not direct the FBI to investigate the opposing political party. Remember, Joe Biden was a senator when Nixon resigned. He was there when Nixon was using the executive branch to attack Democrats.
Biden appointed Garland to the DOJ. Garland’s record was perfectly fine and appeared well suited to the role, but his biggest strengths (in Biden’s mind) was his nonpartisanship and his conservative view of government. By conservative I mean staying within the lines of what the DOJ should be doing, a cautious view of the use of DOJ power. Again, this was done in reaction to Trump and his… let’s call it “expansive” view of government power. In Biden’s mind, he was righting the ship.
And Garland was exactly as advertised, to a maddening degree. He was cautious to the point of being timid. He refused to throw the weight of the DOJ into investigations with political implications without reaching an imaginary bar of fairness that just isn’t realistic. You saw it in the Jan 6th investigations. You saw it in the Kushner deals (and all of the Trump family deals which are obviously dirty). You saw it in Garland’s unwillingness to take on wildly politicized federal prosecutor offices because doing so would be political interference (in his mind). You saw it when Robert Hur took unprofessionalism and partisanship to the absolute extreme when attacking Biden under the guise of a special counsel appointment and Garland did nothing because instiutionalism in his mind meant not interfering with the process.
And you saw it in the Epstein case.
Garland did everything by the book to an absurd degree that ended up paralyzing justice. Biden didn’t touch Garland or any of it because he believes doing so was itself an injustice, even if Garland was wrong to handle it the way he did.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
TL;DR- Biden was the wrong guy for the job.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
depends on what you think the job was
keep the status quo? sure, right guy
blow the terroristic american right wing apart so it’ll be another half century before it reforms? wrong guy
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I think a more accurate TL;DR is that Garland was the wrong guy for the job, but the Biden thing is more broadly true, too.
specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
If one had a fetish for masochistic torture of nuance, then yea, you hit the nail on the head.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They are also on the list.
Transform2942@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
No you see Joe Biden just loves institutions so much! Almost as much as he loves weirdly sniffing women’s heads
iridebikes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Obsessed with the hair sniffing bullshit but is fine with Trump being the wingman of one of the planets most prolific pedophiles.
specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
i think your edginess is really cool
citizensongbird@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My guess is, because Republican leaders and propaganda outlets were constantly accusing Democrats of witch hunts and politically motivated criminal investigations, Dems releasing Epstein’s client list would have been seen as more of the same. Trump’s base would have absolutely called it fake news. So Dems waited until Republicans were in control and then said, “Okay, now you can release it.” With predictable results.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Well specifically, it is still an ongoing investigation. What happened was Pam Bondi had the first half of files in her office, made a big public announcement about having requested all remaining files and waiting on them to be delivered, wrote a letter to Kash Patel about it and publicly released it.
Then when she read whatever was in that second half of files that got delivered to her, she suddenly wasn’t so eager to release it. Image
wildcardology@lemmy.world 8 months ago
She released that first phase to influencers and made a big show out of it. She was asked about releasing the Epstein list and she said it’s on her desk along with mlk and jfk files and would release it
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
They did.
- Epstein black book & story on it.
- From USA v. Maxwell, Epstein flight logs & story on it.
- From Giuffre v. Dershowitz, case documents & story on unsealing those.
- The DOJ website lists some of those & others.
Not long ago, everyone was calling claims of secret, unreleased documents a right-wing conspiracy theory. Why popular opinion on that has turned from fringe to accepted is a mystery.
LikeableLime@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They apparently had video (obviously doctored and they couldn’t even hide that) after saying for years that all of the cameras malfunctioned. That video was released very recently so that leads me to believe there’s more stuff that never got released.
Schwim@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Your question leads me to believe that you think pedophilia is a Republican construct.
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Because it could hurt rich people and both parties are on the side of rich people.
Binturong@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
This is the actual answer, cutting right through the smoke and mirrors and bullshit. Anyone who had the displeasure of reading through the flight logs that were available in their entirety online almost a year ago and probably still are: saw just what names pop up, often multiple times. This is the most bipartisan issue there ever was, so NOBODY in power wants to touch it.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
First, Bill Clinton is almost certainly all over them, and older Democrats still think of the Clintons as the epitome of Democratic success. Some of the old guard is still trying to push focus away from the Epstien files. Just two days ago, Nancy Pelosi was calling the Epstien files a distraction, which is a bat-shit crazy thing to say about evidence that could prove that your opponent was involved in a pedophile ring.
Second, Epstien probably has some sort of ties to the intelligence community. I don’t know that I believe all these stories about him being a secret Mossad asset, but I think its very possible that the someone in the CIA was using him. Alex Acosta, who prosecuted Epstien in 2008, claimed that he was told to back off because he, “belonged to intelligence,” and they’re clearly withholding a lot of information, there’s definitely something they don’t want people to know. Anyway, since 9/11, the Democrats and Republicans have had basically the same position on the intelligence community (essentially, abject deference), so if the CIA says that it would be a national security risk to release the files, the Democrats aren’t going to release the files.
nthavoc@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Because “High Road” and “Moral Victories” were their focus and always pretend to act surprised when the goal posts are moved by the republicans. At least that’s one reason.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Before Trump, the office had an image to uphold.
nthavoc@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I agree. But that whole honor system and gentleman’s agreements went right out the window in 2016. They had 4 years to see that coming and really didn’t do much to stop it; not even a slick behind the scenes move. Just sat there and let it happen. Had an ace in their sleeve and decided to keep it in a locked up safe for the Donvict to crack right open.
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
They were sealed until Jan 2024 as part of Maxwells appeal process.
Hawke@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That gives a year, not a valid reason.
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The investigation was still ongoing, which Trump ended. And the DOJ is supposed to operate independently from the president.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
I think the real question is: why isn’t anyone on the FBI or whatever agency is responsible for that, willing to just throw that shit onto the internet?
arin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They do on 4chan but no one believes them 🤷♂️
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 months ago
Just the people that own ten bridges in NYC.
gleb@lemmy.world 8 months ago
because democrats are on it.
60d@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 8 months ago
Because the CIA and FBI is throwing a coup and people on the left still believe in the government.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The give reason must be procedual, but the real reason is that the Epstein files undoubtedly also contain the names of democrats or democratic backers. They were more than happy doing nothing with those files.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So, no hiring hackers to actually change votes to Trump votes, but anything up to that. I dunno, I think they woulda released the Epstein stuff. My real guess is that some Democratic politicians are also on the list. Even if it’s only a couple, they might have figured running against a convicted felon gave them such good odds there was no need to throw any of their own under the bus. And apparently none of them said, “Well but what if he hires hackers to change votes to Trump votes?”
4am@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Musk and Eaton had the means to change votes, not sure what your first statement is about.
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I think one reason is that democrats wanted to do things by the book, and they didn’t want to be accused of tampering with the 2024 election, more than trump already did.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Reminder, when you don’t do things by the book, the perp wins in court on technicalities or wins on appeal. For example, see Harvey Weinstein.
krashmo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s a decidedly generous interpretation of events
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Because you don’t publish details of investigation. You publish indictments once investigation is done. That’s essentially weaponization of DOJ.
Republicans were promising to release (and suggesting Democrats are on it). Now as they have the power, they refuse. Claim the files don’t exist then that they are fake, then they are boring.
At this point it is very clear that trump is in them.
sundaymidnight@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Possibilities:
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Donald Trump is a pedo, then he wont release it
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Donald Trump is a pedo, but he will release a modified version
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Donald Trump is a pedo and Biden covered him in trade-off to silence his son’s crimes (drugs)
Deestan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Or 4. none of this is up to any of those people it is not their job or within their right.
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ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Is English your first language?