All the elitism and jokes aside, dub has come a long way in the last 20 years. Sub is still the better IMHO, but dubs are no longer something you have to actively tolerate.
Crunchyroll & Now Netflix Both Confirm Anime Sub Watchers Are the Minority on Their Platforms
Submitted 1 day ago by alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works to anime@ani.social
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themakara@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
We should have gatekept harder.
thoughtfuldragon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
Important context:
Crunchyroll Accidentally Reveals They’ve Been Using ChatGPT for Sub Translations www.cbr.com/crunchyroll-chatgpt-sub-anime/
brown567@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Isn’t translation one of the few actually effective uses for llms? Or am I remembering wrong?
jacksilver@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
As with most AI/LLMs it’s about how much error you can tolerate.
Translating basic info, sure the user can infer any slight mess ups. Translating jokes, idoms, tone, cultural differences, etc. is hard assuming you even got the original text right.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
just watched Nagatoro call Senpai a bitch.
it’s lore now, but was totally NOT what she said.
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 19 hours ago
If you’re using it just to translate a few paragraphs of text on a website here or there, then yes, it’s much better than what we had before.
For anything complex however it can’t even begin to compare with a professionally done translation/localization. Japanese is one of the more difficult languages to localize due to a bunch of linguistic concepts that don’t translate well to other languages and need creative solutions that carry over the same intent.
More important however is consistency: Even if an AI translates some of the language ticks of the characters instead of completely glossing over them, it needs to do so consistently and apply the same translation across the whole script.
The same goes for any named items. If there’s a “Soul Stone” for example, you need to make sure to call it “Soul Stone” every single time and not “Spirit Rock”.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 hours ago
Aren’t they only doing that so they don’t need to pay for the sub licenses?
Only reason for why they refuse to have subs on their dubs
Unboxious@ani.social 20 hours ago
Maybe that works if you’re translating large blocks of text, but when it’s small bits of isolated text where the viewer is expected to have visual context which the LLM won’t have it’s a hot mess. I tried experimenting with some translation software on a page of manga and it got a lot of stuff wrong.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Not for anything involving art. Real humans flub shit often enough, I don’t trust an llm to convey any important context.
sag@ani.social 1 day ago
People Don’t watch Sub⁉️
How Uncultured‼️burn them‼️
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 14 hours ago
I watch the subs out of either impatience or avoiding certain English VA/character pairings that I absolutely cannot stand. I can muddle my way through the shittiest of subs rather than put up with localized VA’s who sound NOTHING like their Japanese counterparts…
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 5 hours ago
I used to be staunchly dubs. But then VAs stopped being people who were hired, and became personalities that controlled. And then I just learned to watch subs. Either I read faster, or rewind.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I watch sub’s, but when it’s my wife and I we watch dubs. we’re old af and will fall asleep if we’re reading everything on screen.
I can do it on my own because I’m watching shit that really torques my driveshaft and I’m invested in.
I watched vending machine-san first subbed, then rewatched with my wife dubbed.
best anime ever 💥💥💥LFG SEASON 2!!!💥💥💥
nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Whelp that’s completely different than a decade ago.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 13 hours ago
Crunchyroll has 3 or 4 dubed episodes and then shows a popup saying no more dubs. I don’t want to wait till the season is over and don’t like to switch voice actors in the middle, so I always go with the subs from the start.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Yeah, this is a huge factor. Even if they’ve got dubs only a week behind, which was the case for season one of shield hero, I don’t want to sit and not watch the latest episode simply because it’s not dubbed. So subbed is what I went with constantly.
ramble81@ani.social 7 hours ago
Whole reason I have CR and HiDive is for the dubs. Though the latter has been slipping as of late, they still haven’t even dubbed the third and fourth seasons of Urusei Yatsura
nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
The big streaming platforms probably get pretty much all of the casual watchers, who favour dubs, but have to split the more hardcore fans who favour subs with the high seas. That’s going to skew the stats a bit.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
If the dub is good I see no reason not to watch it dubbed.
Earlier anime used to have absolute garbage dubbing. But these days that’s not the case anymore.
Crank@ani.social 21 hours ago
I still prefer to watch subbed because even if the main characters have decent VAs in the dubbed version, it’s way more common to have some disappointing performances among supporting cast there.
Hoimo@ani.social 23 hours ago
And then you have me, who’s so hardcore I was forced to sign up for Netflix so I could watch the Dutch dub of Tonari no Totoro . If I was any more hardcore, I’d figure out how to rip it from there, because it’s the only home release it ever got, as far as I can tell. Can’t even find a second-hand VHS (wouldn’t be acceptable quality anyway).
kadup@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I mean, you don’t have to learn how to rip from Netflix… People do it for you 30 minuted after the official release, you can find it on the usual site.
Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I normally have a show on in the background to cut the silence while I’m doing hobbies and such. I don’t know enough Japanese to make that work without dubs.
mo_lave@reddthat.com 20 hours ago
To me, it explained Netflix’s decision to delay The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity. They don’t want the dub watchers be spoiled by the sub watchers. On the flip side, they may be (somewhat?) aware that this could be a hit.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 18 hours ago
🏴☠️
Khrux@ttrpg.network 4 hours ago
Although I think it’s worth saying how much dubs have improved in the last decade, I’ve always been reasonably lightly into anime, but always had the odd niche recommendation on the go. Most anime I watch is still casual in tone, so I like to have it on while doing art or something, so I’m a big dub supporter.
A decade ago, you could probably have a rule that unless you’d see someone wearing merch of the anime in public, the dub would be shit, but I think because streaming services are paying so much for dunning themselves, it’s lightened the burden across the scene.
Also if over 50% of users watch dubs, I wonder what percentage of their users solely watch high budget, mainstream anime which has perfectly fine dubs.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 hours ago
𐑢𐑲 𐑸 𐑿 replying 𐑑 私 🧵 ?
Just make 𐑿r 𐑴𐑯 comment 𐑪 𐑞 main🧶 .
I’m Japanese, I watch 𐑯 sub 𐑪 native 日本語。 And 𐑞t’s IF I’m interested 𐑪 watch𐑙 𐑕𐑥𐑞𐑙. I 𐑮𐑞𐑻 𐑮𐑛 𐑞 scripts/novel. 𐑕𐑥t🕰️ dub w/peers.