Although, replacing the battery on the Fairphone is so much easier that 1000 cycles is acceptable.
Samsung phones can survive twice as many charges as Pixel and iPhone, according to EU data
Submitted 18 hours ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-battery-cycles-3573442/
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rimu@piefed.social 2 hours ago
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
You say that like it’s impossible to change the battery on a Samsung phone. I can have it done in under 10 minutes.
nanlux_user@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Sure but not everyone is tech savvy.
blah3166@piefed.social 18 hours ago
From @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com on a post over at !android@lemdro.id
Yeah this is just manufacturers self rating themselves. This is just like VW cars rating themselves as getting 5-10mpg better than their competitors, when really they were just measuring from the balls.
The up side is if they fail to meet those ratings then are the consumers entitled to some sort of compensation?
Btw, I love how Piefed shows comments from cross-posts. Every client should do it, helps make the fediverse feel bigger and more diverse.
JWBananas@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
This comment says otherwise:
How is battery life measured under this new EU regulation?
One interesting detail is that the battery endurance rating in the new labels is tested using the same software used by many tech reviewers: SmartViser. This French automation company works with labs and manufacturers to simulate real-world usage. So now, the battery performance you see on the label is based on consistent, lab-tested data, not just marketing claims.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
the actual legislation is not that specific as far as i can tell:
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=…
Article 5
Measurement methods
The information to be provided pursuant to Articles 3 and 4 shall be obtained by reliable, accurate and reproducible measurement and calculation methods, which take into account the recognised state-of-the-art measurement and calculation methods, as set out in Annex IV.
Article 6
Verification procedure for market surveillance purposes
Member States shall apply the verification procedure laid down in Annex IX when performing the market surveillance checks referred to in Article 8(3) of Regulation (EU) 2017/1369.
blah3166@piefed.social 14 hours ago
Awesome! Good to know its based off some kind of standardized testing. This is good for everyone!
themurphy@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
It’s also wrong. That comment is misinformation.
They are lab tested by a 3rd party in the EU, SmartViser.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
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Fedditor385@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
But… Samsung also needs twice as many charges because for whatever reason, their batteries simply don’t last as long. Timewise, you get the same lifetime, from both. What good does a larger charging count bring, if you need to charge it twice as much? Misleading spec.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Before anyone rushes to replace their phones my Pixel 5 is nearly 5 years old, still on original battery (would be on at least 1200 cycles) and is presently sitting at 92% and claiming 1 day 11hrs remaining. Off the charger since 9:45 this morning and used for streaming music to my car while I was driving earlier. It still easily holds over 24 hours charge in my usage, so if I forget to charge it at night it’s usually around 40% in the morning and I can plug it in sometime in the morning to top up. Perfectly useable after almost 5 years, and this is pretty normal for Pixels in my experience.
Love the new EU measurement standards but per other people’s comments above they do not seem to mandate strict third-party testing, but rather rely on manufacturers submitting their results and adhering to the set test standards. This has not worked out well in the past, it should be mandatory third-party.
Cannot wait to see the return of user-replaceable batteries (thank you again, EU).
reddig33@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
That’s strange, considering they all use the same battery suppliers.
Zanz@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Samsung encourages battery percentage in it by the user.So most people using a samsung only charge to eighty percent.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 39 minutes ago
That’s rhe same with my iPhone 16, it just charges to 100 every so often
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
How so? With heavy usage all my Samsung phones barely made it through a full day. I’ve never considered throttling the battery for the sake of longevity or been encouraged to by my phones.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
i did that for a week, it was actually more annoying than its worth, it made charge more often than i like.
jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
It makes sense once you consider that these numbers are the manufacturers self reporting. That means they aren’t comparable, so drawing conclusions like ”manufacturer X has better batteries than manufacturer Y” from these numbers is silly.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Doesn’t mean they use the same chemistry. There’s a lot of different lithium batteries.
Samsung isn’t even using the latest\greatest tech in cell phone batteries. The Redmagic 10 pro uses a silicon-carbon anode based battery in a dual cell form. It means fast charging is split between 2 batteries so there’s less battery damage on a recharge, and the chemistry is more energy dense.
Also, it seems the cell phone companies self assess the tests and report them to the EU, so take the whole thing with a grain of salt.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Could be a difference in how they’ve set up charging cut off points.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
It’s got to be a lie
masterspace@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Anecdotally it seems to be the case for me. I switched from the A series to the Pixel and I’m pretty disappointed in how quickly my battery life has degraded.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
pixel also has the bad exonys chip that drains thier battery pretty fast.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Damn, yeah. My pixel will drain 50% or more in a day, in my pocket. Brutal
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
1,000 charge cycles: OnePlus 13
Hmm. This one has newer silicone-carbon lithium-ion batteries, which should actually increase charge cycles, so what’s happening here?
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
Isn’t one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that’s extra fast?
Makes total sense if they traded in longevity for speed.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Isn’t one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that’s extra fast?
Yes, but…
OnePlus offloads speed into the charger, so the phone actually doesn’t get hot while charging. This fact alone would IMPROVE charge cycles, even at fast speeds.
But OnePlus also uses quite a few “tricks” to preserve battery health. Did the test include those features or did they turn them off. And if they turned them off, did they do the same with the Samsung phones (which have similar battery-health preserving options)?
I’ve had my OP13 since the day it came out (around 5-6 months) and keep it charged to 80% (built-in feature) and only charge it to 100% when I’ll be out for the day and need to use GPS with max screen brightness. Battery health is still 100%.
I’ve owned a lot of Samsung phones before that, and the battery health was the only reason I’ve needed to replace them. So, I’m glad to see that the EU is taking charge cycles into account.
One piece of the puzzle that the numbers don’t mention, is that the smaller battery of the Samsung phones means you’ll be charging more often (i.e. more charge cycles) vs. something like a OP13 with a larger battery and excellent battery life (i.e. fewer charge cycles for the same use). Maybe that balances things out, but I’m still shocked that Sammy can get 1000 more charge cycles, which is YEARS more battery health than the other brands.
Valmond@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Xiaomi has faast charge, and it (33watt) has worked both fast and reliable on my 4-5 year old note 9 pro phone. I just changed to a 13tp with 120 watt, let’s see how that pans out 🔥😋
mintiefresh@piefed.ca 18 hours ago
Wow. This is excellent for Samsung users.
I believe these are just claims rather than actual tests or measurements right?
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Apparently not
the new labels is tested using the same software used by many tech reviewers: SmartViser. This French automation company works with labs and manufacturers to simulate real-world usage. So now, the battery performance you see on the label is based on consistent, lab-tested data, not just marketing claims.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
the actual legislation is not that specific as far as i can tell:
Article 5
Measurement methods
The information to be provided pursuant to Articles 3 and 4 shall be obtained by reliable, accurate and reproducible measurement and calculation methods, which take into account the recognised state-of-the-art measurement and calculation methods, as set out in Annex IV.
Article 6
Verification procedure for market surveillance purposes
Member States shall apply the verification procedure laid down in Annex IX when performing the market surveillance checks referred to in Article 8(3) of Regulation (EU) 2017/1369.
474D@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
So if you charge nightly, basically like 3 years for a pixel? That’s not really terrible, especially if using the a-series which is a decent value.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I’d like my phone to last 5 years minimum.
That seems to be the new standard for continued software support too. If the phone only lasts for half of that, what’s the point?
Replacing the battery on a 9a is a invasive 64-step process(ifixit guide). The kit they sell is surprisingly cheap at $40, but has a list of other tools you need. Its definitely not a project most people will undertake.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
the person above is also assuming 0-100% charge every day. most people won’t go through a while battery every day, at least for the first couple years.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
your also assuming 0-100% charge every night which most people won’t do. so very likely much more than 3 years.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I’m one of the outliers in that I do 80 to ~10 before the day is over, then I’ll charge and keep going, or I keep it topped up on the wireless charger throughout the day. But overall I’m charging at least a full cycle daily. I use my phone heavily. 1.5y in and I started using the 80% cutoff for lifespan, but I haven’t noticed a decline, it’s preventative and not reactive.
Family member has my previous phone, 2.5y old, and has not complained to me about the battery. When it was in my possession it was the same use case/scenario. Their use case is lighter duty, but they leave the screen on for like 10 minutes after idle, never turning it off manually. Pain.
My previous previous phone was given to a sibling, 3.5y old, again when it was mine it got the same heavy use. They use a battery bank some days, but they can be an even heavier user than I am sometimes - discord voice and video chatting, games, even doing one while also on a desktop. 100 to 20 or less most days, I often see it in evening in battery saving mode around 10% when they are reaching for the bank. But that’s still with a few hours SoT and heavy use with socializing and games and stuff.
All 3 are pixel pros, 8/7/6. shrug
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I’d prefer my phone to last longer than that for the price I paid (oh, wait. It’s a Samsung, and it’s already lived longer than that, lol)
ter_maxima@jlai.lu 41 minutes ago
But they don’t have GrapheneOS 😟